Thanos vs FP Kuurth

Originally posted by ODG
^ Thanos doesn't have the ability to force absolute zero on the helmet. Thanos doesn't have Magneto's electromagnetic manipulation to warp it. Thanos doesn't have Hope's super-all-in-one mutant blitz abilities to tear it off.

Even if he had the required power to wreck it with pure power, FP Kuurth no sold a Cerebra-amped tp attack. And then he just reformed his helmet immediately after no selling it.

I can see FP Kuurth withstanding a godblast (Juggernaut did after all). I simply don't see Thanos withstanding a godblast as well. And that measure of durability is going to present significant problems for Thanos.

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hard to say kurrth could put thanos down either, unless it simply comes down to a battle of attrition. this is a tough call imo but i'd likely take kurrth at the end of an exceedingly long battle. shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
thanos also required xavier's help in the infinity crusdae to attack the goddess near the end of the series....

and yet him and moondragon couldn't even penetrate his mind while both were trying to do so on multiple occasions.

Oh gawd this thread again.. Where u is galan? I know I know. I still haven't responded to ure last post.

I'm loathe to say this but, Thanos wins this. For the moment anyway.

1) The Worthy were not impressive, power/feats-wise.
2) Juggernaut's "physical invulnerability" is a myth that has been shattered with alarming regularity, in comics*.
3) Thanos is several orders above Kuurth's opponents.
4) Thanos is powerful enough to kill Surfer without over-extending himself.

Of The Worthy, 1 was one-shot killed by mjolnir (something Thor couldn't even do to a non-enchanted Rulk). 1 over-powered the bloody enchantment and the entity that possessed him and crushed the stupid hammer...

The X-Men are not exactly the best standard to test someone aspiring to Trans-level, against.

It'd be like saying that you need to beat Luke Cage in h2h in order to be considered a cl100 brick.

*for a marginal character, he has a high percentage of showings where his unstoppability is stopped and his "invulnerability" is outright smashed.

Originally posted by leonidas
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hard to say kurrth could put thanos down either, unless it simply comes down to a battle of attrition. this is a tough call imo but i'd likely take kurrth at the end of an exceedingly long battle. shrug

FP Kuurth is probably more durable but imo not by as much as some would think as i dont buy into the juggernaut absolute invulnerability schtick since it has been proven false on panel on many occasions. With that being said, the gap in offensive output between Thanos and Kuurth exceeds the gap in invulnerability and so id take Thanos in a battle of attrition

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
and yet him and moondragon couldn't even penetrate his mind while both were trying to do so on multiple occasions.

your statement had nothing whatsoever to do with my post. 😐

Originally posted by Naija boy
FP Kuurth is probably more durable but imo not by as much as some would think as i dont buy into the juggernaut absolute invulnerability schtick since it has been proven false on panel on many occasions. With that being said, the gap in offensive output between Thanos and Kuurth exceeds the gap in invulnerability and so id take Thanos in a battle of attrition

you think? i'm not so sure. i don't buy into absolute invulnrability either, but THIS version of juggs was pretty damn beastly. we've also seen thanos with some questionable suff as well. logan's claws, drax's hand, morg seemed ready to split his head with his axe, thor bloodied his nose with the gem.... i know there are others i'm just not remembering. i think he's more of a damage-soak guy than an invulnerable one but like i said, this is a toug call.

Originally posted by leonidas
your statement had nothing whatsoever to do with my post. 😐

Well you were kinda insinuating like Thanos's TP is below Xavier and thus he needed Xavier's help for TP. So my point is, Xavier and moondragon couldn't even get into his mind.. So, if anything Xavier was just needed for plot or boost their TP attack, since Thanos imo is above Xavier.. Which I believe Xavier has even admitted.

That's a pretty good point about Thanos - more "damage soak" than invulnerable.

Iirc, he was pretty messed up after travelling through a blackhole once too.

Still, what are the high-end feats of Kuurth's as far as either durability/invulnerability go?

Originally posted by leonidas
you think? i'm not so sure. i don't buy into absolute invulnrability either, but THIS version of juggs was pretty damn beastly. we've also seen thanos with some questionable suff as well. logan's claws, drax's hand, morg seemed ready to split his head with his axe, thor bloodied his nose with the gem.... i know there are others i'm just not remembering. i think he's more of a damage-soak guy than an invulnerable one but like i said, this is a toug call.

Kurrth has nothing like Logan's pierce all plot device claws... He also doesn't have Drax DNA encoded in him to land the killing blow on Thanos. Morg... huh... what did he do that has any relevance here? You mentioned Thanos bloody nose after repeated blows from a non holding back Thor with the PG.. but while he had a trickle of blood.. he also had a big grin on his face loving it.

Logan pierced Thanos when he was wielding the IG. I don't think Wolverine's claws > an IG user's durability. So I chalk that up to PIS.

I agree, but even still, getting pierced by LOGAN of all people is hardly a low durability showing

Originally posted by vince_slice
Logan pierced Thanos when he was wielding the IG. I don't think Wolverine's claws > an IG user's durability. So I chalk that up to PIS.

Thanos was getting smacked around by the heroes pretty good there for a while. Masterson Thor was doing more damage than Blood and Thunder PG Thor. /shrug

Originally posted by Damborgson
Thanos was getting smacked around by the heroes pretty good there for a while. Masterson Thor was doing more damage than Blood and Thunder PG Thor. /shrug

Originally posted by vince_slice
I think the heroes did better than the abstracts, which is pretty funny. Granted that Thanos cut off his omniscients, but still. Spiderman even staggered an IG Thanos, whereas Celestials tossing dozens of planets couldn't...lol.

Comics.

Originally posted by janus77
That's a pretty good point about Thanos - more "damage soak" than invulnerable.

Iirc, he was pretty messed up after travelling through a blackhole once too.

Still, what are the high-end feats of Kuurth's as far as either durability/invulnerability go?

Originally posted by Naija boy
FP Kuurth is probably more durable but imo not by as much as some would think as i dont buy into the juggernaut absolute invulnerability schtick since it has been proven false on panel on many occasions. With that being said, the gap in offensive output between Thanos and Kuurth exceeds the gap in invulnerability and so id take Thanos in a battle of attrition

I accept that Kuurth and Juggs aren't absolute indestructible. But IMO it would take more than a Godblast to even hurt him. I don't think Thanos has that type of power output. Also, I believe that Thanos would have problems with Kuurth's hammer. It's unstoppable and if it connected would do some serious damage to him.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
ODG... do you see Emma's TP without and with Cerebra as above that of Thanos? Regardless of the helmet for a second.. how would you rank their respective TP

In other words, if Emma w/ Cerebra tried to assault Thanos, she'd probably be blocked and/or maybe mindphucked. Moondragon (w/o Mind Gem) suffered that fate. But vice-versa, if Thanos tried to assault Emma w/ Cerebra offensively, I'm not so sure what would happen.

Same thing with FP Kuurth.

We know what happened to Emma w/ Cerebra when she tried to assault FP Kuurth. She was definitively and completely mindphucked for an entire issue thereafter. But I don't expect FP Kuurth to walk around mindphucking people with offensive telepathy or mind-linking with an entire world's population.

Originally posted by ODG
Overall, it's comparable if Emma has Cerebra. Thanos has not displayed finesse with it or other esoteric telepathic abilities, but his telepathic defenses are monstrous and should outstrip Emma's. As for telepathic offense, I'm not so sure.

In other words, if Emma w/ Cerebra tried to assault Thanos, she'd probably be blocked and/or maybe mindphucked. Moondragon (w/o Mind Gem) suffered that fate. But vice-versa, if Thanos tried to assault Emma w/ Cerebra offensively, I'm not so sure what would happen.

Same thing with FP Kuurth.

We know what happened to Emma w/ Cerebra when she tried to assault FP Kuurth. She was definitively and completely mindphucked for an entire issue thereafter. But I don't expect FP Kuurth to walk around mindphucking people with offensive telepathy or mind-linking with an entire world's population.

What are your thoughts on Thanos mind-controlling Hulk like a puppet in Avengers Assemble?