Thanos vs FP Kuurth

Started by The Sorrow16 pages

Originally posted by h1a8
Why was it a very weak Godblast? Why couldn't it just have been a weaker Godblast? Do you understand writer's intentions? Can Thanos do better than a Godblast?

Lastly, you are trolling when you argue that Kuurth didn't have both the full power of Juggs and the Serpent. Juggs was fully powered near the end of WWH and stayed fully powered till he merged with the Serpent. It was shown clearly in comics. Both powers were stacked. Hell, the entire forum agrees to that.

Of course Kuurth can withstand a godblast since Juggs did it and Kuurth is Juggs + Serpent. Use common sense man.


Where was it stated Juggernaut returned to full power? Before Fear Itself he was getting kicked around by Luke Cage.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Where was it stated Juggernaut returned to full power? Before Fear Itself he was getting kicked around by Luke Cage.

When Cain begged Cyttorak to bring him back to full power in WWH, right before he fought WWH that last time. Before that Hulk beat him easily because he was depowered. Read WWH and you will see.

Originally posted by h1a8
When Cain begged Cyttorak to bring him back to full power in WWH, right before he fought WWH that last time. Before that Hulk beat him easily because he was depowered. Read WWH and you will see.

Juggernaut was depowered in Thunderbolts dude, after WWH. I'm just curious if he was able to regain his power, I stopped reading after Hyperion guest starred in the book.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Juggernaut was depowered in Thunderbolts dude, after WWH. I'm just curious if he was able to regain his power, I stopped reading after Hyperion guest starred in the book.

He was still depowered when he picked up the hammer.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Juggernaut was depowered in Thunderbolts dude, after WWH. I'm just curious if he was able to regain his power, I stopped reading after Hyperion guest starred in the book.
prove it. what were the circumstances?

Originally posted by carver9
He was still depowered when he picked up the hammer.

yep. Seems more than obvious that he wasn't at his classic "take a godblast levels."

Originally posted by h1a8
prove it. what were the circumstances?

Hyperion broke his leg by kicking it in.

Originally posted by carver9
Hyperion broke his leg by kicking it in.

That doesn't prove anything. It has to be mentioned that he is depowered like the last time he was depowered otherwise it just goes as a low showing.

Originally posted by h1a8
That doesn't prove anything. It has to be mentioned that he is depowered like the last time he was depowered otherwise it just goes as a low showing.

Luke Cage stalemated him in a fight. Luke is class 25. Thor with a single hit punched his helmet off and made him bleed with the same hit. Ironman contained him and he was unable to break free. He got koed by Captain Universe. He was getting burned alive by a dose of heat vision and was screaming in pain. Too much proves he was depowered. I can go on for days.

Originally posted by h1a8
prove it. what were the circumstances?

Read Thunderbolts #144. He is depowered for using the Uni Power to save NYC.

Yeah Luke specifically mentions that Jugegrnaut has been depowered.

Originally posted by red sabre
you know this is just funny, tell me something did kuurth fight anyone on thanos level? how do you know thanos cant do anything to him? kuurth fought metas and thats your meassurement? as i said before but it seem like you dont read what people write so i will say it again, colossus was able to crack his helmet with a punch, now compare colossus punch and thanos using an amped punch.... see the picture already?

i will ask you again who did full power kuurth beat or wasnt harmed by to make you believe thanos cant hurt him?

juggernaut whitstood a very weak godblast from a very weak thor, kuurth doesnt have the full power of the juggernaut because he is a merge of depowered juggernaut and the serpent therefor its serpent + depowered juggernaut, do you see kuurth whitstanding the blast that took out galactus? if you believe kuurth will whitstand a full power godblast from thor that took down galactus then allow me to laugh at you.

Omega level cryokinesis in Iceman, omega level electromagnetism in Magneto, omega level telepathy in Emma w/ Cerebro, omega level all-in-one mutant power in Hope. As I said before but it seem like you don't read what people write so I will say it again, Thanos doesn't have Iceman's ability to force absolute zero, Magneto's level of electromagnetic manipulation or Hope's amalgamated mutant power. And in case you need reminding, Hope instantly one-shotted a barrier that Thor, Thing and Iron Man were pounding on for hours in Second Coming.

FP Kuurth demonstrated greater durability feats than classic Juggernaut did in several areas. He was simply more durable than classic Juggernaut. Which is the only rational conclusion since it was the Serpent's power on top of Cytorrak's full blessing as explicitly revealed in Colossus' and Illyana's conversation with Cytorrak. Even should you disregard how Cytorrak treated FP Kuurth, depowered Juggernaut wasn't literally unstoppable by any measure in his many appearances. So your assumption that this was depowered Juggernaut's + Serpent's power is simply false. I'll chalk it up to you just never having read any depowered Juggernaut appearances.

You also need to reread that original Juggernaut fight. Thor's seizure stopped and he regained his strength before he unleashed his godblast. He literally says that aloud in black and white. And he directly compared that godblast to the one he let loose against Galactus. So allow me to dismiss your derision and laughter.

Regardless, at least you had some specific reasons to think what you thought. So I'll give you a pass even though those specific reasons are a result of complete misinformation or simple carelessness on your part. You may be talking out of your a$$, but it appears to be unintentional. Had you been a churlish troll and consciously doing it, I'd have been less patient.

Originally posted by carver9
Luke Cage stalemated him in a fight. Luke is class 25. Thor with a single hit punched his helmet off and made him bleed with the same hit. Ironman contained him and he was unable to break free. He got koed by Captain Universe. He was getting burned alive by a dose of heat vision and was screaming in pain. Too much proves he was depowered. I can go on for days.

Yet none of that proves he was depowered unless it was mentioned. I'm going to check out thunderbolts 144 as sorrow suggested. But ODG has a good point

Originally posted by ODG
Omega level cryokinesis in Iceman, omega level electromagnetism in Magneto, omega level telepathy in Emma w/ Cerebro, omega level all-in-one mutant power in Hope. As I said before but it seem like you don't read what people write so I will say it again, Thanos doesn't have Iceman's ability to force absolute zero, Magneto's level of electromagnetic manipulation or Hope's amalgamated mutant power. And in case you need reminding, Hope instantly one-shotted a barrier that Thor, Thing and Iron Man were pounding on for hours in Second Coming.

FP Kuurth demonstrated greater durability feats than classic Juggernaut did in several areas. He was simply more durable than classic Juggernaut. Which is the only rational conclusion since it was the Serpent's power on top of Cytorrak's [b]full blessing as explicitly revealed in Colossus' and Illyana's conversation with Cytorrak. Even should you disregard how Cytorrak treated FP Kuurth, depowered Juggernaut wasn't literally unstoppable by any measure in his many appearances. So your assumption that this was depowered Juggernaut's + Serpent's power is simply false. I'll chalk it up to you just never having read any depowered Juggernaut appearances.

You also need to reread that original Juggernaut fight. Thor's seizure stopped and he regained his strength before he unleashed his godblast. He literally says that aloud in black and white. And he directly compared that godblast to the one he let loose against Galactus. So allow me to dismiss your derision and laughter.

Regardless, at least you had some specific reasons to think what you thought. So I'll give you a pass even though those specific reasons are a result of complete misinformation or simple carelessness on your part. You may be talking out of your a$$, but it appears to be unintentional. Had you been a churlish troll and consciously doing it, I'd have been less patient. [/B]

so basically kuurth went up against metas, and based on him taking on metas you are basing an argument saying he can take a trans level being... just wow.

also prove he can even harm thanos? thanos took beating from galactus and odin, show me any feats from kuurth that put him at those levels as far as power output to even claim he can tickle thanos.

thanos does not need ice or telepathy thats a very lame argument, he doesnt even need his shields or energy manipulation, all he needs is his fist which will kill kuurth, considering colossus cracked his helmet i can imagine what thanos can do to him, and yes i know he is more durable than the helmet however his suit is still protected by the enhancements and considering colossus being able to crack it we can clearly see that thanos will overcome it to its fullest.

what greater durability feat did kuurth demonstrated than juggernaut? first of all as i said already juggernaut did not take a full power godblast because thor was injured, even if thor was recovering after the injury it was clear he was exhausted and didnt have his full life energy, now kuurth is the mix of depowered juggernaut + serpent , the serpent powers gave him great extra things like being very durable to telepathy and flying and such, however if we discuss durability alone what feats does he have to put him above full power juggernaut? the serpent powers overall didnt give too much durability as we saw with the other beings empowered by the serpent, so if the serpent durability is combined with depowered juggernaut i still dont see it being greater or matching a full power juggernaut only on the durability aspect alone.

i dont recall thor comparing the godblast he unleashed on juggernaut to the one he used vs galactus if you have the evidence to that present it because he didnt say it.

Originally posted by red sabre

i dont recall thor comparing the godblast he unleashed on juggernaut to the one he used vs galactus if you have the evidence to that present it because he didnt say it.

Originally posted by red sabre
so basically kuurth went up against metas, and based on him taking on metas you are basing an argument saying he can take a trans level being... just wow.
Magneto and Hope are not metas. Educate yourself. A meta dosen't divert a planet-killing bullet and beat a psionic reality warper. A meta doesn't one-shot a barrier that Thor just starts barely penetrating after raining Mjolnir blows for hours on end.
Originally posted by red sabre
also prove he can even harm thanos? thanos took beating from galactus and odin, show me any feats from kuurth that put him at those levels as far as power output to even claim he can tickle thanos.
Invoking two characters who beat the ever loving sh1t out of Thanos in one instance and 1-shotted him in another instance doesn't elevate Thanos to their level. Don't be so moronic.
Originally posted by red sabre
thanos does not need ice or telepathy thats a very lame argument, he doesnt even need his shields or energy manipulation, all he needs is his fist which will kill kuurth, considering colossus cracked his helmet i can imagine what thanos can do to him, and yes i know he is more durable than the helmet however his suit is still protected by the enhancements and considering colossus being able to crack it we can clearly see that thanos will overcome it to its fullest.
That's what was used against FP Kuurth. Not just Colossus' fist. Cracking his helmet did nothing. Eventually tearing it off did nothing. FP Kuurth immediately reformed it.
Originally posted by red sabre
what greater durability feat did kuurth demonstrated than juggernaut? first of all as i said already juggernaut did not take a full power godblast because thor was injured, even if thor was recovering after the injury it was clear he was exhausted and didnt have his full life energy, now kuurth is the mix of depowered juggernaut + serpent , the serpent powers gave him great extra things like being very durable to telepathy and flying and such, however if we discuss durability alone what feats does he have to put him above full power juggernaut? the serpent powers overall didnt give too much durability as we saw with the other beings empowered by the serpent, so if the serpent durability is combined with depowered juggernaut i still dont see it being greater or matching a full power juggernaut only on the durability aspect alone.
Telepathy, heat, teleportation, and arguably blunt (based on Juggernaut's average). Why do you bother arguing when you clearly haven't even read this sh1t? Serpent's power did not make him unstoppable. A 5-year old could understand that since he stopped being unstoppable right after he was depowered by Cytorrak. Depowered Juggernaut was hardly unstoppable. Your utter misconception that FP Kuurth was only an amped depowered Juggernaut would be cured if you just simply read the comic. Cncern yourself with the facts first, not the misinformed argument you're trying to salvage.
Originally posted by red sabre
i dont recall thor comparing the godblast he unleashed on juggernaut to the one he used vs galactus if you have the evidence to that present it because he didnt say it.
Go reread the Thor/Juggernaut fight. Take your head out of your a$$. I'm done laying out your mistakes and dealing with your childish polemic. Read the comics or don't.

Originally posted by ODG
Magneto and Hope are not metas. Educate yourself. A meta dosen't divert a planet-killing bullet and beat a psionic reality warper. A meta doesn't one-shot a barrier that Thor just starts barely penetrating after raining Mjolnir blows for hours on end. Invoking two characters who beat the ever loving sh1t out of Thanos in one instance and 1-shotted him in another instance doesn't elevate Thanos to their level. Don't be so moronic. That's what was used against FP Kuurth. Not just Colossus' fist. Cracking his helmet did nothing. Eventually tearing it off did nothing. FP Kuurth immediately reformed it. Telepathy, heat, teleportation, and arguably blunt (based on Juggernaut's average). Why do you bother arguing when you clearly haven't even read this sh1t? Serpent's power did not make him unstoppable. A 5-year old could understand that since he stopped being unstoppable right after he was depowered by Cytorrak. Depowered Juggernaut was hardly unstoppable. Your utter misconception that FP Kuurth was only an amped depowered Juggernaut would be cured if you just simply read the comic. Cncern yourself with the facts first, not the misinformed argument you're trying to salvage. Go reread the Thor/Juggernaut fight. Take your head out of your a$$. I'm done laying out your mistakes and dealing with your childish polemic. Read the comics or don't.

nice.

Wait.. how are we comparing Magneto, Hope and Iceman with Thanos though... what exactly is proven by comparing weaker characters to Thanos?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wait.. how are we comparing Magneto, Hope and Iceman with Thanos though... what exactly is proven by comparing weaker characters to Thanos?

Wait, you can't follow his logic? Let's say Captain America punched Thor and broke his hand on him, that must mean no one can beat Thor by punching him. Not Thanos, not Odin, or even a Celestial.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wait.. how are we comparing Magneto, Hope and Iceman with Thanos though... what exactly is proven by comparing weaker characters to Thanos?
Most people aren't comparing Magento and Hope to Thanos. They are dispelling the notion that Kuurth only dealt with meta level beings when clearly those two are into the low herald level, Mags on a good day could probably push Mid Herald level status, and has some really good feats behind his name.