Originally posted by Mumrik
There is no NORMAL human on earth that could take on a lion without being stomped. Like take for example one of Batman's opponents Bane. he wouldn's survive a lion.
Do you read Batman comics? He's beaten people who can literally crush lions with their bare hands.
At this point you're going to have to display to me some comprehension of my points, and a basic acknowledgement of feats and facts. If not, you won't be worth debating with. Because you seem like you're trolling at this point. And while I'm happy to let you waste your own time, I value mine.
You gave Batman his tools, and this is another major reason why he wins. How the Phantom would react to a knock-out gas?
And you say that the Phantom can beat a lion with his bare hands? Big whoop. Batman beat multiple dudes with GUNS. Which is far more hardcore than a couple of lions.
They were Cape Buffalo that Batman handled.
And Captain America would f*cking easily handle a Bison.
Do you read Batman comics? He's beaten people who can literally crush lions with their bare hands.
At this point you're going to have to display to me some comprehension of my points, and a basic acknowledgement of feats and facts. If not, you won't be worth debating with. Because you seem like you're trolling at this point. And while I'm happy to let you waste your own time, I value mine.
At last some actual evidence of batman's strength. However do you notice how small the lion seem to be in that image. That is definetely an african lion and it doesn't even look grown up. Barbary lions are like siberian tigers but lions...the barbary lions however were extinct in he 19th century. But the phantom actually lived back then...in the story. One can't really compare fighting a barbary lion with an african lion. It's like comparing a black bear with a grizzly bear.
Male Barbary lions were around 2.7 to 3.4 metres (8 ft 10 in to 11 ft 2 in) in length and females were around 2.1 to 2.7 metres (6 ft 10 in to 8 ft 10 in) in length.[1] Unlike other lion subspecies, the Barbary lion did not live in prides due to the scarcity of food in its habitat.[3]Notice the length 3.4 meters tall...as you can see the lion in that picture you posted well I imagine it's standing on it's hind legs and while doing that reaches to Batman's height which is about what...1.8 meters. That is definetely not a barbary lion...let's see...
Head and body length is 170–250 cm (5 ft 7 in – 8 ft 2 in) in males and 140–175 cm (4 ft 7 in – 5 ft 9 in) in femalesThat is an ordinary lion...so that means that batman is either fighting a really small male lion or a really large female lion. A male barbary lion is double the size of a large female NORMAL lion. So that feat you just posted isn't really very impressive.
Also look what I found, phantom is 10 times more man than batman...and has a sense of humour lmao.
Lol only way the batman could win over the phantom is to do a sex change...and then undress.
Originally posted by Mumrik
[B]At last some actual evidence of batman's strength. However do you notice how small the lion seem to be in that image. That is definetely an african lion and it doesn't even look grown up. Barbary lions are like siberian tigers but lions...the barbary lions however were extinct in he 19th century. But the phantom actually lived back then...in the story. One can't really compare fighting a barbary lion with an african lion. It's like comparing a black bear with a grizzly bear.
Notice the length 3.4 meters tall...as you can see the lion in that picture you posted well I imagine it's standing on it's hind legs and while doing that reaches to Batman's height which is about what...1.8 meters. That is definetely not a barbary lion...let's see...
That is an ordinary lion...so that means that batman is either fighting a really small male lion or a really large female lion. A male barbary lion is double the size of a large female NORMAL lion. So that feat you just posted isn't really very impressive.Also look what I found, phantom is 10 times more man than batman...and has a sense of humour lmao.
Lol. I was going to post evidence refuting your points...
but then realised people have done so in his respect thread.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t492648.html
Note for example how he dodges machine gun fire, bends metal with his bare hands etc etc. To just look at him as 'merely human' ignores a vast swathe of what he has actually accomplished.
You can't post an entire respect thread and expect me to respond to all that.
dodges machine gun fire, bends metal with his bare handsDodge machine gun fire ANYONE can do...soldiers do it all the time in war. Also...he has a bullet proof west so he probably took a few bullets I'm sure. As for bending metal:
Refuted...
Originally posted by Mumrik
You can't post an entire respect thread and expect me to respond to all that.
Dodge machine gun fire ANYONE can do...soldiers do it all the time in war. Also...he has a bullet proof west so he probably took a few bullets I'm sure. As for bending metal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laqwYZyFQTA&feature=player_detailpage#t=26s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qHL2PSpecI&feature=player_detailpage#t=54sRefuted...
Lol, no, I don't expect you to respond to all of it - but you must admit, there were pretty good feats in there. Such as defeating Ra's, a master swordsman with more experience than the Phantom, dodging machine gun fire from the Reaper, a better marksman than the Phantom, and defeating Azrael/KGBeast/Bane/Lots of different martial artists.
Also, I highly doubt soldiers do it ALL the time.,..otherwise, guns would be pretty useless, no? And you might assume that he took a few bullets due to his vest...but you have to, you know, prove it.
Originally posted by Mumrik
No...even a human being in the best physical form wouldn't be able to wrestle an american bison to the ground. Have you any idea how huge these animals are? Here I found a reference for you:
How would captain america take that thing down without using any tools? Try to grab it's neck and force it down...lmao good luck.
ow boy someone doesnt read comics, i find it both funny and irritating at the same time how you are trying to make batman and captain america simple humans but boast the phantom for beating a lion.
batman displayed feats that clearly tell us he can break the neck of a lion with 1 hand, try reading batman for a change.
as for captain america Lol at you, a guy that can rip out robot parts with his bare hands, rip off metal doors with easy, lifting statues and trees left and right, one shotting buildings and tearing metal chains like toys cant handle a bison? dude seriously thats a straight up lowballing both for batman and cap, did you really think you can come here present phantom beating up a lion and some jack sparrow on roids and expect everybody to take it up the a$$ just because you will lowball batman and try to portray him as the averege human being? a lion will break his neck? really? a lion will beat bane on venom? dude go read comics and dont come back until you do.
Btw, I just thought it pertinent to the comic book humans vs lions debate...
Naked Doom vs a lion:
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p388/proteus_lives/Scan10915.jpg
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p388/proteus_lives/Scan10916.jpg
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p388/proteus_lives/Scan10917.jpg
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p388/proteus_lives/Scan10918.jpg
Such as defeating Ra's, a master swordsman with more experience than the PhantomWith more experience than the phantom?
Due to his expanded life span, Ra’s has accumulated a vast knowledge of hand-to-hand combat, chemistry, detective artistry, physics, and martial arts (all of which rival that of Batman). He has also gained many international contacts and a vast fortune, gained over centuries. When in combat, he favors more ancient weaponry (as he has had more time to utilize them than more modern weaponry). These weapons include scimitars, katanas, bolas, throwing stars, smoke pellets, and miniaturized explosives. Ra's is also assisted by his devoted, musclebound servant Ubu.That is from his bio, hmm expanded life span. Seems he is about 600 years old, while that means he must be a master at swordfighting it doesn't necessarly mean he is a better fighter than the phantom. To my knowledge Ra's hasn't spent 30 of his 600 years in the jungles like a wild man wrestling with wild animals on a weekly basis.
Also do ask yourself how long time it takes to become a master swordsman, there are only so many moves one can learn. We are talking about the phantom in general, that means any of his 20 incarnations. I found some scans online of him with swords...
http://www.karileppanencomics.fi/the%20golden%20falcon%20collage.jpg
http://www.karileppanencomics.fi/death%20ring%20image%202.jpg
http://www.karileppanencomics.fi/death%20ring%20image%201.jpg
Also note that every phantom guy leaves the jungle at age 18 to study at oxford or some high esteem school. Here is the phantom training sword fighting as a teen.
http://www.karileppanencomics.fi/english-my%20swedish%20enemy%20image.jpg
http://www.karileppanencomics.fi/english%20gov-and-scar%20im-4.jpg
http://www.karileppanencomics.fi/phantom%20in%2030-years%20war.jpg
http://www.karileppanencomics.fi/norman%20worker%20memory-1.jpg
http://www.karileppanencomics.fi/crusader-by-frew.jpg
There is no real proof that Ra's is better at swords than the phantom and even if he were he wouldn't be as strong as the phantom. That Batman, a ninja for three years proves that 600 years of sword fighting means nothing. Since he were able to defeat Ra's.
What I'm saying is...that defeating Ra's can't possibly be considered a much more impressive feat than to defeat a couple of bandits with guns.
Originally posted by Mumrik
To my knowledge Ra's hasn't spent 30 of his 600 years in the jungles like a wild man wrestling with wild animals on a weekly basis.
And Phantom hasn't spent years of his life intimidating and owning a universe full of superhumans that could eviscerate jungle animals, being one of the top martial artists and strategic thinkers on the planet, and being rich enough to prep for anything with gadgets. You're going to give a cool character a bad name on the forums if you keep ignoring this.
But please, find us some more scans of Phantom doing his George of the Jungle thing. I think I'm nearly convinced.
