Originally posted by carver9
But Hulk isn't the worse fighter in the Universe and his strength and durability makes up for anything that is missing in a fight against Supes. Savage Hulk has defeated beings that are peers to Superman so I don't get what is so difficult to understand. It's not a bad thing to be a peer to Savage...especially looking at his fts (even though he is stronger than Supes IMO).
You get your "average" Superman from a holding back Superman who is living in a world made out of glass.
Pretty much the same as Thor who holds back.
Now, you have a portrayal of HULK who is not holding back and now you think this is the norm for Hulk.
But don't take into consideration that Thor or Superman hold back.
There are few instances of Superman or Thor not holding back.
Take those and compare them vs a Hulk not holding back and then You see what is being discussed here.
As much as anyone wants to lower the feat in IC of time shattering punches. Fact is that it was only kryptonians the ones who shattered time, how much the universe was unstable it is unclear, but Black Adam who is a "peer" to Superman punched SBP and He did not shattered time right?
SBP can take time shattering forces but BA didn't deliver them even if the universe was unstable.
Another instance of Superman not holding back states that a character who can shrink to sub atomic levels and alter his mass and density, cannot survive the full brunt of Superman's speed and strength.
Another instance in which you could say SM is not holding back damages the body of Darkseid who has been taking powerful attacks with out a scratch.
Breaking Doomsday neck when almost running out of solar energy?
Pulverizing the shadow moon a celestial object of 81 billion tons traveling at 7,614,000 km/h or 4,731,120 miles per hour or 2,115,000 m / s
And quote:
"Now, for the sake of argument, let's say that we have an object impacting the Earth at escape velocity. (That is, the speed it would have if it was dropped from rest a very far distance away and permitted simply to fall onto the Earth.) That's something like 11,000 meters per second , which is pretty fast. How much mass would it need to have to produce the kind of energy we need in the collision to destroy the planet?
The calculation isn't too difficult. The energy of the rock is G*M*m/R, where little m is the mass of the object, and the other variables are the same as before. This needs to be equal to (3/5)*G*M*M/R in order to produce enough energy to destroy the Earth. Solving the equation for m, we see: m=(3/5)*M.
So, the mass of the asteroid is just 3/5 times the mass of the Earth. In other words, you need a planet or large moon to cause that kind of damage"
Shadow moon is traveling at 2,115,000 m / s
2,115,000 m / s >>>>>>> 11,000 meters per second that is 192 times FASTER
Now think about this for a second
Superman stopped the Shadow moon dead in it's tracks and He PULVERIZED the object. You have any idea of the amount of force required to PULVERIZE an object of that size traveling at those speeds with a body that weights 200 lbs?
After reading this please tell me that You think Savage Hulk can defeat a CIS less Superman who is willing to kill.
And I'm just using Speed and strength, I have not even gotten into Laser lobotomy and the other powers he has.
