Originally posted by Damborgson
mhmm. His footsteps were threatening the eastern seaboard, and not the entire continent. Eventually if he kept on doing his thing it would have, but at the time it wasn't. Which would give me even more reason to believe that the Dark Dimension had something to do with it. Since I think it'd be pretty laughable if anyone claimed that that non-holding back stronger than gamma bomb filled Hulk would be unable to accomplish what he did in the Dark Dimension at weaker levels.
Yes his footsteps threatened the eastern seaboard but i was referencing Amadeus Cho's comment in IH 632 in which he commented about his worry for the entire continent. This doesnt give more reason to believe that the Dark Dimension had something to do with it because the totality of the battles between all the Giant Hulks in IH 635 ON earth did less damage than WBH previous footsteps also ON earth and thus your attempt to isolate the dark dimension as the cause of this discrepancy becomes faulty.
You know thats impossible though. Hulk shaking the eastern seaboard isn't more impressive to me than the mutated Hulk beginning to endanger the planet. It can't be argued that he's not as strong as he was since he was being given more power. Power that affected She Hulk and A Bomb and made them substantially stronger. Capable of affecting Bruce and Betty with punches. Absolutely no reason for them to have not amped WBH beyond what he was
Endangering the planet was a running theme through all of WBHs appearances. In the case of the mutated Hulk we got a mention by the Amadeus cho about how Hulk was about to break the world. This is however no different from WBHulk in WWH 5 saying stop him before he breaks the world, or from Umar in IH 632-633 talking about how she was saving the earths plane of existence from Hulk who was about to destroy it. Thus that statement about Hulk breaking the world in no way indicates a superior performance by mutated Hulk to previous appearances of WBH since it is identical to the other statements made about the worldbreaker in previous appearances. Consequently the fact that the footsteps of WBH in his previous appearances were shown to do more damage than the stomps and overall battle of the Giant mutated Hulks ON earth, discredits the notion of the dark dimension being the cause of the apparent inconsistency in the case of mutated Hulk. In my estimation we have a simple case of writer inconsistency and although i presented a possible way to harmonize the scenario, i believe it is still merely writer inconsistency at its core as writers dont break down scenes in the same way we do here on forums.
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I get what you're saying, but I disagree on him having powered down from WBH levels. He was still in his mind in the dark dimension where he could let loose all his power. I don't see why he would have powered down or anything that points to it tbh. The gamma energy that surrounded him wasn't flowing at all times either so thats hard to use as an indication of whether he was at WBH levels or not. But seeing as he no longer cared about the destruction around him I see no reason for him to not have been at WBH levels.
IMO it looked like he had visibly powered down from his WBH levels, particularly because while he perhaps did not always have energy surrounding him, WBH did most often have some form of energy leakage particularly from his eyes
even within that very comic just a few pages before . In this case though he had reverted back to his regular green hue and merely had the glow in his eye that had characterized his pre WorldBreaker levels as seen in IH 632. Admittedly it is hard to determine but i believe that WBmode was portrayed in a certain way consistently enough to identify when it is or isnt in operation. However, this is all tangential anyways as whether he was in full out WBH mode or not upon leaving the Dark dimension,
the entire Giant Hulk battle at the end of the comic was still decidedly less impressive than WBH previous appearances ON earth as well as in the Dark Dimension in which his mere footstep cracked manhattan in half and rocked the eastern seaboard (on more than one occasion).Pak could have had whatever intention he wanted, but unless there's something said about the Dark Dimension being changed, it should still hold true to the rules that made it up before. I see how'd you see it as nitpicking or reaching and I guess it could be called that, but despite me not being buddy buddy with the Hulk I'm not doing it to screw him over of his feat. But if his feat has context which looks to be the case, then it should be included when his feat is mentioned like with Superman's feat. He was going beyond physical damage and damaging reality itself but there was context to it so that it probably wouldn't happen under normal circumstances
The thing is that the make up of the Dark Dimension and similar splinter realms is often dependant on the writer. It has been portrayed as an abstract dimension with warped time, perceptions, no gravity etc. it has been portrayed as a combination of several dimensions each with their own individual properties and inhabitants, and this time it was portrayed as a planet with an earthlike atmosphere (and gravity obviously). Hence the rules are not set in stone as you may have it. Then when you add in the fact that the statement being used to support this notion was actually an unconfirmed speculative statement made by Surfer iirc 20 or 30 years ago....then the context seems heavily contrived imo more than anything else which is why it differs from the superman feat. Moreover such a route also leaves room for arguing that the Hulk destroyed more than an earthsized planet since the Dark dimension has been previously portrayed as an extremely vast collection of realms (the largest of the magical splinter realms) that had been mystically merged into one...... Still im glad we both agree that the most impressive part of the feat is actually the characters destroyed.
You're right that the most impressive part of it was the disintegration of past peers, but with the mindless ones I have my doubts. What really makes the feat is wendigo, bi-beast, and armaggedon being reduced to nothing by the shockwave. But the mindless ones in large part have been portrayed as standard punching bags to me. Professor Hulk was able to mess them up back in the day, Thor's broken them, among others
Actually the entire race of of mindless ones getting destroyed is probably the most impressive part of the feat. Now, the mindless ones have up and down showings indeed sometimes being hurt by Thor and even lower and then at other times (and most recently) being nigh invulnerable, tanking neutron stars, shrugging off the nova corps unhurtable to even the likes of Umar etc. Hence they range from meta level to upper herald level durability. Now the only thing we know about their portrayal here is that at this point the totality of them formidable enough to take out Umar within her own dimension. This suggests a high level considering how powerful Umar is particularly within the Dark dimension. Additionally, the shockwave taking out their entire race is of particular importance and is what makes it most impressive.
This is because if taking out one mindless one at minimum requires X amount of energy. Taking out 2 mindless ones (assuming equal durability) will require at minimum 2X the energy and so on and so forth because energy dissipates with distance as well as with the more units it acts upon. Thus at a constant amount of energy the addition of more units will reduce the energy per unit volume of each individual unit. So even if you can take out one mindless one with a fair amount of ease (which im sure Umar can), taking out ten will be harder, as will taking out a hundred, a thousand etc. In simpler terms, the fact that the totality of the race of mindless ones (million to perhaps even billions) couldnt be taken out by even Umar in her own dimension (she would not even survive), but got taken out by the shockwave from the mid air physical impact between Hulk and betty (with the shockwave being exponentially less powerful than the epicentre of the collision) underscores the impressiveness of the feat and WBH in general.
Taking that into consideration the stature of the feat cant be denigrated even if the Dark Dimension was made out of toilet paper quite frankly 😄 😛
