Originally posted by Stoic
Superman at a level where all his stats are less 🙂
Moreover, PIS. You either have super intelligence, or you don't - agree? One cannot 'hold back' your intelligence, the same way one can 'hold back' on speed, or strength.
So I guess the first question is - do YOU think that Superman is super-intelligent?
Like here:
That's the first q. If yes, then my next q would be: can you 'hold back' on your intelligence. If no, then my scan posted is obvious PIS.
Originally posted by carver9
Kuurth stomp just like he stomped every other highly intelligent person that jumped in front of him.
The only one that did any planning, was Cyclops. It was all his plans that failed against Kuurth (Magneto etc were only following his orders).
Superman vs Cyclops in an intelligence battle, care to engage?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Superman at a level where all his stats are less 🙂Moreover, PIS. You either have super intelligence, or you don't - agree? One cannot 'hold back' your intelligence, the same way one can 'hold back' on speed, or strength.
So I guess the first question is - do YOU think that Superman is super-intelligent?
Like here:
That's the first q. If yes, then my next q would be: can you 'hold back' on your intelligence. If no, then my scan posted is obvious PIS.
He has still been hit. I don't care about how intelligent he is.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Wait, wait, wait. That would mean that anytime Superman gets hit by a non flash character, it's PIS.If we go that route, Superman skyrockets out of the Trans tier and most likely out of the skyfather tier.
You'll have to basically eliminate over 90% of his showings.
You can add Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Black Adam, Powergirl and Supergirl to that list as well.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Wait, wait, wait. That would mean that anytime Superman gets hit by a non flash character, it's PIS.If we go that route, Superman skyrockets out of the Trans tier and most likely out of the skyfather tier.
Well....
It's like I asked Stoic. Does he have super intelligence? Does he have super speed?
If yes, then why does he get tagged? Either the people tagging him are faster, in which case, this whole thing is moot, or people are arguing he CAN duck/dodge, he DOES know it will hurt him...and he just loves the pain.
You can't 'hold back' your intelligence. You either have it or you don't,
A third logical conclusion, is that the writers are doing it for the sake of the plot. PIS.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well....It's like I asked Stoic. Does he have super intelligence? Does he have super speed?
If yes, then why does he get tagged? Either the people tagging him are faster, in which case, this whole thing is moot, or people are arguing he CAN duck/dodge, he DOES know it will hurt him...and he just loves the pain.
You can't 'hold back' your intelligence. You either have it or you don't,
A third logical conclusion, is that the writers are doing it for the sake of the plot. PIS.
Of course, and of course.
BUT, is it more logical to ignore, I would argue a majority of his career, where he does get tagged? Because while it's true that PIS, such as I would argue the shadow dragon situation would be, isn't usable, we also fight with the characters according to their average portrayals of character yes?
And for whatever reason, whether Superman holds back on purpose to not stomp the living daylights out of most of his opponents, or whether the writer wants to make an interesting story, he gets hit way too much for me to think that it should automatically get swept under PIS.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Of course, and of course.BUT, is it more logical to ignore, I would argue a majority of his career, where he does get tagged? Because while it's true that PIS, such as I would argue the shadow dragon situation would be, isn't usable, we also fight with the characters according to their average portrayals of character yes?
And for whatever reason, whether Superman holds back on purpose to not stomp the living daylights out of most of his opponents, or whether the writer wants to make an interesting story, he gets hit way too much for me to think that it should automatically get swept under PIS.
Yep. Right on point.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Of course, and of course.BUT, is it more logical to ignore, I would argue a majority of his career, where he does get tagged? Because while it's true that PIS, such as I would argue the shadow dragon situation would be, isn't usable, we also fight with the characters according to their average portrayals of character yes?
And for whatever reason, whether Superman holds back on purpose to not stomp the living daylights out of most of his opponents, or whether the writer wants to make an interesting story, he gets hit way too much for me to think that it should automatically get swept under PIS.
Using that logic, Batman is herald level lol. On average, he's a frickin walking PIS character....
But ignoring that..... we're basically saying we ignore one of his fundamental powers, because comic stories are written a certain way. Agreed with the not wanting to stomp his opponents....
So in this thread, when he knows how awesome Kuurth is (as does most of Earth), surely he's not going to hold back?
Against the Hulk? Thor? Gladiator? All these guys aren't brand new characters who nobody knows about,who can be tested. He knows what they can do, who they've fought and crushed. So he won't be fighting as seen in his average fights.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well....It's like I asked Stoic. Does he have super intelligence? Does he have super speed?
If yes, then why does he get tagged? Either the people tagging him are faster, in which case, this whole thing is moot, or people are arguing he CAN duck/dodge, he DOES know it will hurt him...and he just loves the pain.
You can't 'hold back' your intelligence. You either have it or you don't,
A third logical conclusion, is that the writers are doing it for the sake of the plot. PIS.
Because it's the way that he fights. He believes that he can take it. You're trying to fight in his stead and nowhere did it ever say that CIS was off.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Agreed with this.Using that logic, Batman is herald level lol. On average, he's a frickin walking PIS character....
But ignoring that..... we're basically saying we ignore one of his fundamental powers, because comic stories are written a certain way. Agreed with the not wanting to stomp his opponents....
So in this thread, when he knows how awesome Kuurth is (as does most of Earth), surely he's not going to hold back?
Against the Hulk? Thor? Gladiator? All these guys aren't brand new characters who nobody knows about,who can be tested. He knows what they can do, who they've fought and crushed. So he won't be fighting as seen in his average fights.
You can't sit there and argue power set bro. The Hulk during WW Hulk would be total PIS if that were the case. He would have just shown up at a major fault line and stomp killed the Earth with everyone on it. This would go against his character. The X-Men should have all been destroyed the moment he took the field, or they refused to allow Chuck his day in in court. You can't just argue power set.