Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's a good feat.That's it.
People have been acting like that feat puts him on a completely different level than his peers and even superiors for a while now.
Originally posted by zopzop
Feat wise, keep in mind I said feat wise, that's better than anything Thor or Sub Mariner or Hyperion or Blue Marvel has ever done on panel. Add to the fact that he has so few appearances and his fans will take what they can get. Stop the hate.rifle
You think Gladiator's "planet busting" > anything Thor has ever done on panel?
lol
Originally posted by zopzop
Oh please fanboy, I should have said striking (bare handed) feat wise.
How am I the fanboy here, again?
Gladiator's feat is good. Doesn't mean hardly anything in the context of a fight, though. And yet some have tried to say that because of Gladiator's singular planet busting awesomeness, it makes him > than people who by all rights beat him soundly one on one.
Originally posted by zopzopHe punched it, 2 or 3 times and destroyed it. If that was Thor doing that sans Mjolnir, you'd be singing a different tune.
Because A) the character has so few appearances and that was an excellent feat and B) he did it with no outside amp or weapon, just his bare hands. [/B]
he hit it a minimum of 3 and possibly 4. No I wouldn't. I actually know how to debate Zop Zop. And I know what while destroying giant space rocks are impressive for what they are (because it is impressive, I never denied it) it's not as impressive as people like to make it out to be.
He has enough to establish his level of power. Even if we forget that feat altogether he'd still be a high herald to me.
lmao @ admitting you get wet over it though
Originally posted by Damborgson
he hit it a minimum of 3 and possibly 4. No I wouldn't. I actually know how to debate Zop Zop. And I know what while destroying giant space rocks are impressive for what they are (because it is impressive, I never denied it) it's not as impressive as people like to make it out to be.He has enough to establish his level of power. Even if we forget that feat altogether he'd still be a high herald to me.
lmao @ admitting you get wet over it though
That planet busting feat is better than most anything other heralds have done using nothing but brute strength (in terms of striking).
Originally posted by zopzop
Except Gladiator isn't a high herald. We see how he fares when he goes up against true high heralds like Thor. Gladiator is a solid mid herald and that's nothing to be ashamed of.That planet busting feat is better than most anything other heralds have done using nothing but brute strength (in terms of striking).
You don't see him as a high herald? Thats fair I guess.
What about Hulk destroying a meteor twice the size of Earth?
Originally posted by h1a8True, the writer gave every indication possible to show that that planet was earth size or larger. He even went as far as mentioning how durable that planet was by it enduring the death of other planets and stars. But as always, haters want to come along and try and be smarter than the writer and down play that planets size and composition by calling it a " giant space rock " and praying that its only moon size..lol. To them its ill defined, yet in the same breath, they themselves DEFINE it the way THEY want it to be. Amusing really. They trap themselves with their very words.lol. Giant space rock..LMAO.
Who determines the size of the planet in comics?
That's write the writer does, not us.
It was clearly the writer's intentions that Glads busted a planet at least the size of Earth. That's because that is the size of a planet that all readers are familar with. If the writer wanted a smaller planet or a moon then he would have said so. By default, all atmospheric rocky planets are Earth size due to the writer's intentions.But what you are not getting is, the team together can't even bust the smallest moon up. None of the characters have any feats that come close to even busting up a state or even a small city.
Did you read AVX? Did you see how Cyke dealt with Thor? Did you see how Glads dealt with Cyke? It took 3 of them just to beat Glads.
Originally posted by red sabre
so now in your opinion it takes 3 kryptonians to fight gladiator because of his speed? just wow.no you dont, if you think gladiator can just walk all over them in H2H then you clearly dont give them any respect and specially when you got namor on the team, no there isnt a huge gap between them and gladiator, colossus matched gladiator before, of course he went down but the fight clearly shows us it wasnt that big of a gap, the gap between him and thing should be even smaller, the gap between gladiator and namor is very small and i do mean very small because frankly namor did much better than gladiator vs the top tiers he knocked out hulk and was doing better than hercules, something gladiator never could accomplish, i will give gladiator a win in H2H vs anyone of them but not the 3 of them combined, too much strength tactics and fighting abilities, just watch how both namor and colossus with the phoenix force destroyed him, i know they were amped by the phoenix but it didnt give them a greater speed or better tactics they would still use same tactics on him gang up and pound on him like they did only they are going to have the thing on their side as well and they will beat the hell out of him.
No, that isn't what I said.
I do give them respect; I just know that they aren't in that tier. Colossus never matched Gladiator without the Phoenix Amp. They wailed on each other, Colossus did no damage, and only lasted as long as he did because of his durability.
I already said that Namor would be the biggest issue.
And no, you can't use an amped Colossus and Namor to illustrate how the normal versions would do. It doesn't work that way.
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At this point I think Carver should be banned from Gladiator threads. mmm
Originally posted by abhilegend
Namor has an even record against hulk in their two dozen+ fights, has battled thor nearly evenly in their 5 fights, has gained advantage over immortal hercules in a direct contest of strength, battled black bolt evenly who overpowered gladiator and has battled nearly every powerhouse in MU and has done well. For better analysis go here
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php?topic=211938.0
Damn. I didn't even know that Namor has fought the Hulk over a dozen times. Good stuff Abhi👆
Originally posted by h1a8
Who determines the size of the planet in comics?
That's write the writer does, not us.
It was clearly the writer's intentions that Glads busted a planet at least the size of Earth. That's because that is the size of a planet that all readers are familar with. If the writer wanted a smaller planet or a moon then he would have said so. By default, all atmospheric rocky planets are Earth size due to the writer's intentions.But what you are not getting is, the team together can't even bust the smallest moon up. None of the characters have any feats that come close to even busting up a state or even a small city.
Did you read AVX? Did you see how Cyke dealt with Thor? Did you see how Glads dealt with Cyke? It took 3 of them just to beat Glads.
but did the writer mention the size of that rock? he didnt do anything as far as describing the size so your point is mute.
no its not clearly that his intentions were to describe it as the size of earth, what did the writer say about this rock that makes you believe it was the size of earth? was anything mentioned about its size? no? then what words exactly are you clintching to? your imagination and what you wana believe in? not good enough for me, all we see is some big rock that was stated to have at some point some sort of race thats it.
when characters bust rocks or buildings is it stated that the building is 3 store or 10 store or 20 store building? no because the writer doesnt really care he just wanted to have the character smash a building, same thing here even if this rock is 10 time or 20 times smaller than earth the writer doesnt feel the need to explain the size of the rock its just a big rock and its all he wanted to show gladiator busting a big astroid like rock.
as i said before its not abou the power output its what they can do as a team, even if gladiator hits harder it doesnt matter they will overcome him physically and with easy, and to tell you the truth i can easily see those 2 busting a planet with all out striking i dont understand whats the problem specially namor if going all out he is not that far behind gladiator in strength by feats, do you see thor busting planets with his bare hands? you think he cant?
cyclops was trying to reason with gladiator and wanted him to join with them, when he refuced they literally raped him and were riding him like a pony.
Originally posted by country1000
True, the writer gave every indication possible to show that that planet was earth size or larger. He even went as far as mentioning how durable that planet was by it enduring the death of other planets and stars. But as always, haters want to come along and try and be smarter than the writer and down play that planets size and composition by calling it a " giant space rock " and praying that its only moon size..lol. To them its ill defined, yet in the same breath, they themselves DEFINE it the way THEY want it to be. Amusing really. They trap themselves with their very words.lol. Giant space rock..LMAO.
what did the writer say about the size of that rock? something was said? was there anything describing the size of that rock? so now you read minds and you know what the writer intended to do without him even doing it? get lost, if you dont have any kind of a proof that this rock was suppose to be the size of earth then dont speak you make yourself to look laughable.
as i said we see a big rock stated to have at some point some kind of race living on him, could be a race of small microbs or insects doesnt mean much, unelss size was stated or shown in comperison this is all invalid and useless, gladiator busted some rock floating in space i am not impressed.
Originally posted by -Pr-
No, that isn't what I said.I do give them respect; I just know that they aren't in that tier. Colossus never matched Gladiator without the Phoenix Amp. They wailed on each other, Colossus did no damage, and only lasted as long as he did because of his durability.
I already said that Namor would be the biggest issue.
And no, you can't use an amped Colossus and Namor to illustrate how the normal versions would do. It doesn't work that way.
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At this point I think Carver should be banned from Gladiator threads. mmm
colossus never matched gladiator? you should really read the classic x - men then when they fight the shiar for the first time and colossus is trading blows with gladiator for several panels.
i presented how the phoenix force colossus and namor took him down to show you that even if they have weaker hits they are still able to do same tactic and they got thing on their side, so now its the 3 of them jumping gladiator and pound on him, unless you think recieving punches from colossus namor and thing all together wont do anything to gladiator i dont see whats the problem.
Originally posted by red sabre
colossus never matched gladiator? you should really read the classic x - men then when they fight the shiar for the first time and colossus is trading blows with gladiator for several panels.i presented how the phoenix force colossus and namor took him down to show you that even if they have weaker hits they are still able to do same tactic and they got thing on their side, so now its the 3 of them jumping gladiator and pound on him, unless you think recieving punches from colossus namor and thing all together wont do anything to gladiator i dont see whats the problem.
i have read it. more than once. they wail on each other, yes, like i said. however, colossus does almost no damage to gladiator, while colossus is knocked out at the end. hardly "matching" imo.
tactics won't mean much without power output. that, and gladiator would probably only be in the same situation if they were able to actually overpower him, which i don't think this team neccessarily can.
Originally posted by dmills
Damn. I didn't even know that Namor has fought the Hulk over a dozen times. Good stuff Abhi👆
http://hero-envy.blogspot.in/2012/02/hulk-vs-sub-mariner.html
Originally posted by -Pr-
i have read it. more than once. they wail on each other, yes, like i said. however, colossus does almost no damage to gladiator, while colossus is knocked out at the end. hardly "matching" imo.tactics won't mean much without power output. that, and gladiator would probably only be in the same situation if they were able to actually overpower him, which i don't think this team neccessarily can.
if they were trading blows that means gladiator didnt really effect him either, at the end you see them fighting until a building falls on them and finally gladiator is holding colossus and he is the victor, to that point they were trading blows and evenly matched, if the writer intentions were to show gladiator as the superior we would see colossus getting laughed at something like " haha your punches are useless" and then dismissed, 2 characters trading blows at each other = they are matched for a while.
so you wana tell me the 3 of them dont have the power output to put gladiator down? what gladiator are we talking about again? because marvel gladiator went down to masterson, thor, hulk , supreme, black bolt, and basically 80% of the times he is on the losing side of some striking trade, so to say namor colossus and thing combined wont be able to hurt him is just unreal compared to his showings.
Originally posted by red sabre
if they were trading blows that means gladiator didnt really effect him either, at the end you see them fighting until a building falls on them and finally gladiator is holding colossus and he is the victor, to that point they were trading blows and evenly matched, if the writer intentions were to show gladiator as the superior we would see colossus getting laughed at something like " haha your punches are useless" and then dismissed, 2 characters trading blows at each other = they are matched for a while.so you wana tell me the 3 of them dont have the power output to put gladiator down? what gladiator are we talking about again? because marvel gladiator went down to masterson, thor, hulk , supreme, black bolt, and basically 80% of the times he is on the losing side of some striking trade, so to say namor colossus and thing combined wont be able to hurt him is just unreal compared to his showings.
Here is the fight between Gladiator and Colossus:
Notice how in the first scan, Gladiator strikes twice with no recourse. In the second, Gladiator takes a shot from the Colossus-wielded pillar with no bother, and is even SMILING when Colossus punches him in the gut. The building falling on Gladiator seems to do more damage than the actual punches (but then again, it could have been Colossus). Either way, at no point during the fight is Colossus shown to be a peer; just that he can take a punch.
i never said the three of them, I said Colossus and Thing. Namor, like i've been saying from the start, is the real threat here.
And TBH, guys like Thor, Hulk, Supreme and Black Bolt are way, WAY above the likes of Colossus and Thing.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Here is the fight between Gladiator and Colossus:Notice how in the first scan, Gladiator strikes twice with no recourse. In the second, Gladiator takes a shot from the Colossus-wielded pillar with no bother, and is even SMILING when Colossus punches him in the gut. The building falling on Gladiator seems to do more damage than the actual punches (but then again, it could have been Colossus). Either way, at no point during the fight is Colossus shown to be a peer; just that he can take a punch.
i never said the three of them, I said Colossus and Thing. Namor, like i've been saying from the start, is the real threat here.
And TBH, guys like Thor, Hulk, Supreme and Black Bolt are way, WAY above the likes of Colossus and Thing.
