Originally posted by Zamiel
He had limbo before fusing with the Juubi.
Did he? I don't recall that.
Do you have a scan?
Doesn't matter either way though, he still shits on Aizen's face with speed, strength, destruction, and genjutsu capabilities vastly surpassing him, as well as chakra sense that would let him sense someone much faster than Aizen coming at him.
He would grab Aizen's sword, and spit roast him through his anus with it and a massive fireball.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Did he? I don't recall that.Do you have a scan?
Doesn't matter either way though, he still shits on Aizen's face with speed, strength, destruction, and genjutsu capabilities vastly surpassing him, as well as chakra sense that would let him sense someone much faster than Aizen coming at him.
He would grab Aizen's sword, and spit roast him through his anus with it and a massive fireball.
He used limbo against the bijuu right before he absorbed them.
The thing is he cant just grab aizens sword while under kyoka its not that simple.
Originally posted by chasedown
He used limbo against the bijuu right before he absorbed them.The thing is he cant just grab aizens sword while under kyoka its not that simple.
I don't remember that, but whatever.
Uh, actually it is that simple. Madara can see through illusions with his sharingan. Just like Sasuke, Itachi, any Uchiha with sharingan, etc. can. Madara can easily grab his sword while he's coming at him, and, as I said before, proceed to spit roast him by his anus with an enormous fireball.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
I don't remember that, but whatever.Uh, actually it is that simple. Madara can see through illusions with his sharingan. Just like Sasuke, Itachi, any Uchiha with sharingan, etc. can. Madara can easily grab his sword while he's coming at him, and, as I said before, proceed to spit roast him by his anus with an enormous fireball.
What sense is the sharingan oh yea the eye. It would be under kyoka. Kyoka doesnt use chakra like genjutsu does. Reatsu is different from it. Chakra is more similar to ki. Ki and chakra are both energys that come from the living.
Originally posted by chasedown
What sense is the sharingan oh yea the eye. It would be under kyoka. Kyoka doesnt use chakra like genjutsu does. Reatsu is different from it. Chakra is more similar to ki. Ki and chakra are both energys that come from the living.
Uh, sense when did "the eye", become a sense?
Sharingan can see through illusions. I can give you dozens of scans.
Reiatsu also comes from the living. Look at Orihime, Chad, The full-bringers, Tatsuki, Don Kanonji, Kon, etc. 👆
If you're going to be so dead-set on saying reiatsu and ki/chakra are different though, then Aizen's illusions won't work either, because as demonstrated by Soi fon's shikai doing nothing to someone with different levels of reiatsu, kido style sword abilities like that use reiatsu to induce different effects.
However, they are the same, and still would be due to energy equivalence rules in threads. Otherwise none of them can damage each other because they've never done otherwise. We use feats and statements here, not baseless, ignorant fan-tard logic.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Uh, sense when did "the eye", become a sense?Sharingan can see through illusions. I can give you dozens of scans.
Reiatsu also comes from the living. Look at Orihime, Chad, The full-bringers, Tatsuki, Don Kanonji, Kon, etc. 👆
If you're going to be so dead-set on saying reiatsu and ki/chakra are different though, then Aizen's illusions won't work either, because as demonstrated by Soi fon's shikai doing nothing to someone with different levels of reiatsu, kido style sword abilities like that use reiatsu to induce different effects.
However, they are the same, and still would be due to energy equivalence rules in threads. Otherwise none of them can damage each other because they've never done otherwise. We use feats and statements here, not baseless, ignorant fan-tard logic.
Since when is sight not a sense
Originally posted by chasedown
Since when is sight not a sense
"What sense is the sharingan oh yea the eye.", you said nothing about sight, idiot. 👆
Again, Aizen can control sight, but not the sharingan. Until you show an energy feat surpassing Madara's, his illusions are casually seen through with Madara's sharingan.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
"What sense is the sharingan oh yea the eye.", you said nothing about sight, idiot. 👆Again, Aizen can control sight, but not the sharingan. Until you show an energy feat surpassing Madara's, his illusions are casually seen through with Madara's sharingan.
Aizen can control your perception of sight. The sharingan is an EYEBALL that gives the user an enhanced sense of sight. Therefore it wouldnt work on aizen.
Regardless sharingan allows users to see through genjutsu. Genjutsu causes illusions because the user somehow inserts there chakra into the user.
Kyoka has nothing to do with chakra and is not a genjutsu. It is absolute hypnosis so either way the sharingan cant see through it. Madara wouldnt even realize he is under it. It doesnt even release spiritual pressure when released
Theres is no way getting out of kyoka unless aizen decides to slash him with his sword.
The sharingan just wouldnt work.
Originally posted by chasedown
Aizen can control your perception of sight. The sharingan is an EYEBALL that gives the user an enhanced sense of sight. Therefore it wouldnt work on aizen.Regardless sharingan allows users to see through genjutsu. Genjutsu causes illusions because the user somehow inserts there chakra into the user.
Kyoka has nothing to do with chakra and is not a genjutsu. It is absolute hypnosis so either way the sharingan cant see through it. Madara wouldnt even realize he is under it. It doesnt even release spiritual pressure when released
Theres is no way getting out of kyoka unless aizen decides to slash him with his sword.
The sharingan just wouldnt work.
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Again, Sharingan can see through illusions, making Aizen's sword useless.
Kyoka just wouldn't work, you retard fangirl.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta👆
Again, Sharingan can see through illusions, making Aizen's sword useless.
Kyoka just wouldn't work, you retard fangirl.
Sharingan can see through genjutsu.
You should read up on how genjutsu works. It has to do with inserting your chakra into your opponent. Kyoka just doesnt work like that.
Originally posted by Zamiel
Aizen's Shikai is pretty useless against limbo Madara. It's in another world that can only be affected with Sage chakra and Aizen wouldn't even know it exists.
Kyoka would still make things difficult for madara.
Madara has to cast limbo first for that to work it is indeed a viable option against aizen but also madara controls limbo And tells madara where to both attack and defend. If he already under kyoka it still would make things hard for him.
Originally posted by chasedown
Sharingan can see through genjutsu.You should read up on how genjutsu works. It has to do with inserting your chakra into your opponent. Kyoka just doesnt work like that.
WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE? This is a forum. We use equivalency rules, meaning that Aizen's shikai = genjutsu. He activates it the same way, it has the same effects, and it even can be broken out of in the same ways.
Genjutsu works by using your chakra to disrupt your opponents flow of chakra to the brain, which can be controlled to make them hallucinate. Look it up, this is THE SAME EXACT WAY that Kyoka works. 👆
Again, Sharingan>Kyoka.
You're trying to argue that sharingan wouldn't be able to do WHAT IT IS SPECIALLY KNOWN FOR BEING ABLE TO DO. Show me Aizen capturing someone with sharingan in kyoka, or at least someone with the ability to see through illusions, then we'll talk. Otherwise, like I've said, Madara can casually break out of it.
Lol how you gon ask me to show you someone with sharingan seeing thru kyoka when thats two different verses.
It wasnt about chakra vs reatsu i was saying sharingan see thru genjutsu thats how they work it doesnt have anything to do with the eqivalency rule since kyoka doesnt work the same way a genjutsu does aizen doenst insert his energy into foes for kyoka to work genjutsu on the other hand does.
Go read aizens explanation of kyoka and tell me where he at he says he inserts his energy into his opponents.
Due to recent events in the manga i actually think madara would win because of all his different abilities and being damn near immortal like aizen. Tho i still think he wouldnt be able to see thru kyoka. Kyoka suigetsu is not genjutsu and works entirely different then genjutsu one involves inserting your energy into the opponent while the other does not.
Originally posted by chasedown
Lol how you gon ask me to show you someone with sharingan seeing thru kyoka when thats two different verses.It wasnt about chakra vs reatsu i was saying sharingan see thru genjutsu thats how they work it doesnt have anything to do with the eqivalency rule since kyoka doesnt work the same way a genjutsu does aizen doenst insert his energy into foes for kyoka to work genjutsu on the other hand does.
Go read aizens explanation of kyoka and tell me where he at he says he inserts his energy into his opponents.
Due to recent events in the manga i actually think madara would win because of all his different abilities and being damn near immortal like aizen. Tho i still think he wouldnt be able to see thru kyoka. Kyoka suigetsu is not genjutsu and works entirely different then genjutsu one involves inserting your energy into the opponent while the other does not.
Obviously. But I showed you sharingan seeing through illusion, so you can't disprove it.
How do you know? Show me ONE time where Aizen explained how his attack worked. You can't, but you CAN see where he explained that one spiritual pressure overwhelming another makes the effects moot, which is JUST like with genjutsu, proving them to be equivalent.
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Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Obviously. But I showed you sharingan seeing through illusion, so you can't disprove it.How do you know? Show me ONE time where Aizen explained how his attack worked. You can't, but you CAN see where he explained that one spiritual pressure overwhelming another makes the effects moot, which is JUST like with genjutsu, proving them to be equivalent.
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Your stuck on the equivalency rule which has nothing to do with it even if the energies are the same.
You showed genjutsu and genjutsu works a certain way that kyoka does not.
Dude when aizen was talking to unohana he explained how kyoka suigetsu worked and inserting energy into opponents had nothing to do with it.
Originally posted by chasedown
Your stuck on the equivalency rule which has nothing to do with it even if the energies are the same.You showed genjutsu and genjutsu works a certain way that kyoka does not.
Dude when aizen was talking to unohana he explained how kyoka suigetsu worked and inserting energy into opponents had nothing to do with it.
So show me the explanation. Unless... Are you talking about the water-particle reflection thing? You're aware that he only said that to trick everyone to keep his hypnosis shikai a secret, right?
In fact, Aizen also did briefly explain how it works.
Here, you see he says there is an initiation condition to activate Kyoka's hypnosis. Now, we have only seen a few other Zanpaktou that have initiation conditions. The one bearing closest resemblance to Aizen's, being Soi Fon's. This is because once something happens after releasing their swords, their sword's abilities activate. Aizen's being hypnosis, and Soi Fon's being instant death. For Aizen's, you have to look at his release, and for Soi Fon's, you have to be cut by her in the same place twice. However, we have seen, demonstrated by Aizen, that it's possible to negate a swords effects as long as your energy can overwhelm your opponents. So, since we haven't had a literal description of Aizen's swords functioning, we have to assume it by comparing it to similar abilities from his series.
What this means, is that Aizen has to use his REIATSU to control someone, meaning just like with Soi Fon, IT CAN BE NEGATED WITH HIGHER ENERGY. Energy=Destructive capacity, SO while Madara has sharingan which I've just proven he can see through Kyoka with, he could easily shatter it with his raw energy.
Otherwise, show me a specific scan saying Kyoka can hypnotize anyone no matter what, unlike any other sword ability.
Until then, Madara wins. 👆