Madara Uchiha vs Monster Aizen

Originally posted by yungz22
Lol your the one being a fan tard claiming naruto is lightspeed. Ive been on these forums for years and have yet to see an overexaggerated claim that wanks naruto's abilities such as this one.

Nobody stated naruto used FTG in those scans so they dont prove anything. All the were describing is seeing a yellow trail of light when naruto moved. This is due to his YELLOW chakra cloak that surrounds him when in KCM mode. All you did was make a claim without actually thinking about what your actually saying. Now lets think about it again.

Lets use logic you say naruto is lightspeed right? Well it is a known fact that light can travel around the earth around 7 or 8 times per second. Now we dont know how large the Naruto verse actually is but the maps that weve seen show that naruto is on the same continent as those in the war. Now if naruto was Lightspeed dont you think he and all of the clones would have gotten to the battlefields in a much shorter time than it took them to get there? Honestly just think about it.

Another thing FTG requires kunai and seals to work. Have you seen naruto do this? NO you havent. The only people that would be able to teach him are dead so theres no way he could learn it anyway. Unless he asked those leaf ninja that helped tsunade with there version of FTG. Even then naruto would only be able to use it with two other people.

I just quoted what naruto said about what he learned from hos farher from YOUR scan.

Also you made a claim that FTG cant be used while in sage mode. Well actually your wrong the 4th used it in sage mode.

Theres your logic for you. Plain and simple.

The fantard is the one denying outright scans and proof just because he wants his favorite to win. In otherwords, you, dumb phuck. 😉

Those scans say Naruto's jutsu dodging Raikage is just like Hiraishin. After seeing Naruto use it, Tobirama even said that it was remarkable that he could use his own jutsu better than him. Since you're assuming that he can't, even with that much proof, I have the right to assume that you're a dumb ass, and that Naruto can use Hiraishin, because I have more proof that he can then you have that he can't.

It took all of the Naruto's just a couple minutes to reach the battle fields. Not to mention that the databooks specify that he can only teleport a mile at a time. Plus, the original had Killer Bee with him and had to slow down for him, that's why all the clones ported away from him as soon as he summoned them. 👆

Why do you assume that? It's never been stated that Hiraishin requires seals, only by Minato. We've seen the second hokage use it with just a kick-start, to stab Madara's brother.

Now lets talk about YOUR logic for a second. Just because no one taught him, you assume he can't use it? Okay, then let me ask you this. Why could Goku go Super Saiyan when no one was there to teach him? Why could Minato use rasengan when no one was there to teach him? Why could Minato use rinnegan when no one was there to teach him? If someone invents, or re-invents a technique, they're still using said technique. Naruto uses a different form of Hiraishin. He doesn't use the kind Tobirama or Minato uses, but his own, that can only be used in chakra mode.

Um, Minato can use Hiraishin in base form, dumb phuck, of course he can use it in sage mode. I'm talking about Naruto, who has only been shown to use it in KCM, BM, or SBM(sage biju mode). He can presumably NOT use it in regular sage mode. 👆

That's YOUR logic. Plain and simple.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
The fantard is the one denying outright scans and proof just because he wants his favorite to win. In otherwords, you, dumb phuck. 😉

Those scans say Naruto's jutsu dodging Raikage is just like Hiraishin. After seeing Naruto use it, Tobirama even said that it was remarkable that he could use his own jutsu better than him. Since you're assuming that he can't, even with that much proof, I have the right to assume that you're a dumb ass, and that Naruto can use Hiraishin, because I have more proof that he can then you have that he can't.

It took all of the Naruto's just a couple minutes to reach the battle fields. Not to mention that the databooks specify that he can only teleport a mile at a time. Plus, the original had Killer Bee with him and had to slow down for him, that's why all the clones ported away from him as soon as he summoned them. 👆

Why do you assume that? It's never been stated that Hiraishin requires seals, only by Minato. We've seen the second hokage use it with just a kick-start, to stab Madara's brother.

Now lets talk about YOUR logic for a second. Just because no one taught him, you assume he can't use it? Okay, then let me ask you this. Why could Goku go Super Saiyan when no one was there to teach him? Why could Minato use rasengan when no one was there to teach him? Why could Minato use rinnegan when no one was there to teach him? If someone invents, or re-invents a technique, they're still using said technique. Naruto uses a different form of Hiraishin. He doesn't use the kind Tobirama or Minato uses, but his own, that can only be used in chakra mode.

Um, Minato can use Hiraishin in base form, dumb phuck, of course he can use it in sage mode. I'm talking about Naruto, who has only been shown to use it in KCM, BM, or SBM(sage biju mode). He can presumably NOT use it in regular sage mode. 👆

That's YOUR logic. Plain and simple.

When did tobirama state naruto could use ftg he was clearly talking anout the shadow clone jutsu.... Are you saying that all those jutsu including goku turning super saiyan are the same as a space/time dimension technique.... Ftg is a different case it requires a procedure to be performed.

But you yourself implied before that naruto surpassed his father why wouldnt he be able to use it in sage mode that makes no sense. The two arent linked or needed to perform the other.

Yea he reached there in minutes which is still way slower than lightspeed. If naruto could move at light speeds he wouldnt have had his bijuu taken away -from him since he can as you can say teleport.

And its like we know we arent alone when it comes to this whole lightspeed thing every single forum ive google disagrees with you. There is a concept called speaking with hyperbole that you probably dont grasp. All bee and tsunade say is they saw a yellow flash when naruto moved. That doesnt automatically equal lightspeed. All the chances naruto has had to use ftg during his battles with obito and madara and we havent seen him use it even once..... Dont you think ftg would have been useful to naruto during those battles if he could do it.

Current Madara wins.

Pre-Juubi Madara loses

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
Current Madara wins.

Pre-Juubi Madara loses

Agreed

Although i dont think it would be easy as kyoka suigetsu and aizens planning abulity might prove to be a problem

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
Current Madara wins.

Pre-Juubi Madara loses

Except even Sasuke could shit on Aizen.

No one in all of Bleach can come to the level of raw speed OR power seen from higher tier Naruto characters, that casually move faster than lightning and throw around mountain range to even country busting attacks. The force of Aizens AND Dangai Ichigo's swords cut a mountain in half. Madara with perfect Susano'o cut two in half just by drawing his sword.

I think Madara with both Rinngans and Sage mode would win. Don't see how Aizen could get pass Senjustu powered PS. Four BDs by Rikudou Juubi couldn't completely destroy Edo Madara's PS and Sage mode boosts abilities by at least 10x(based on statements about CS2 which is just a weaker version of it).

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Except even Sasuke could shit on Aizen.

No one in all of Bleach can come to the level of raw speed OR power seen from higher tier Naruto characters, that casually move faster than lightning and throw around mountain range to even country busting attacks. The force of Aizens AND Dangai Ichigo's swords cut a mountain in half. Madara with perfect Susano'o cut two in half just by drawing his sword.

Not sure about lightning speed.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Except even Sasuke could shit on Aizen.

No one in all of Bleach can come to the level of raw speed OR power seen from higher tier Naruto characters, that casually move faster than lightning and throw around mountain range to even country busting attacks. The force of Aizens AND Dangai Ichigo's swords cut a mountain in half. Madara with perfect Susano'o cut two in half just by drawing his sword.

Aizen is too smart for sasuke

First you say Lightspeed now its speed of lightning where is the body movement proof of this.
Bleach characters Dangai ichigo and aizen are leagues faster than anybody in naruto. They easily clear large distances faster than anyone in naruto has except for techniques like FTG. Weve literally seen characters in bleach move miles with one step.
Although naruto charaters are fast we havent seen any of them do this feat barring FTG.

Originally posted by Zamiel
I think Madara with both Rinngans and Sage mode would win. Don't see how Aizen could get pass Senjustu powered PS. Four BDs by Rikudou Juubi couldn't completely destroy Edo Madara's PS and Sage mode boosts abilities by at least 10x(based on statements about CS2 which is just a weaker version of it).

you havent taken into account aizen's speed factor and kyoka suigetsu. Although Madara's destructive capabilites are greater has no counter for aizens' kyoka or brains or speed.

Originally posted by chasedown
First you say Lightspeed now its speed of lightning where is the body movement proof of this. Bleach characters Dangai ichigo and aizen are leagues faster than anybody in naruto. They easily clear large distances faster than anyone in naruto has except for techniques like FTG. Weve literally seen characters in bleach move miles with one step.
Although naruto charaters are fast we havent seen any of them do this feat barring FTG.

I wouldn't say light or lightning speed. But Naruto characters have have shown sonic-supersonic reaction/reflexes and movements.

-CS1 Sasuke dodged Zaku's supersonic airpressure attack while carrying Naruto and Sakura. So anyone who uses senjustu should have supersonic reaction and reflexes.
-Termari swung her fan before sound reached her.
-6th Gated Gai's punches and kicks is stated to move at speeds faster than sound. To the point of causing frictions in air and starting a fire.
-Kisame was able to telegraph Gai's flaming kick(commenting that it was fast before it made contact).
-7th-8th Gated Gai's punches are so fast they cause air pressure powerful enough to push back and damage to Bijuu level threats (Kisame with Gyuuki chakra and Rikudou Madara).

you havent taken into account aizen's speed factor and kyoka suigetsu. Although Madara's destructive capabilites are greater has no counter for aizens' kyoka or brains or speed.

While I was talking more about the durability of Madara's PS. If Aizen goes straight to using Kyoka Suigetsu, sure he would win.

Oh and KCM Naruto's speed was compared to FTG.

Originally posted by Zamiel
Oh and KCM Naruto's speed was compared to FTG.

Compared doesnt mean he knows it if he did obito wouldnt have blitzed him like he did and he wouldnt have needed the kages to save him.

Naruto characters are hypersonic.... Ichigo was hypersonic against byakuya in bankai form

Originally posted by chasedown
Compared doesnt mean he knows it if he did obito wouldnt have blitzed him like he did and he wouldnt have needed the kages to save him.

I didn't mean that he knew it, but that he could probably travel large distance really fast like FTG since it was compared to it.

Naruto characters are hypersonic.... Ichigo was hypersonic against byakuya in bankai form

Is that based on some rather complicated calculation?

Originally posted by Zamiel
I didn't mean that he knew it, but that he could probably travel large distance really fast like FTG since it was compared to it.

Is that based on some rather complicated calculation?

yes it has been calcd and the calc formula was accepted. Bankai ichigo is generally accepted around the anime community to be hypersonic easily. as he gets stronger during the series his speed grew. Dangai ichigo is still hypersonic but ranging from mid to high tier hypersonic. Most likely mid. Many have calcd him to be so

Aizen literrally has thousands of years of battle experience over madara and is a better strategist and master manipulator

Originally posted by yungz22
yes it has been calcd and the calc formula was accepted. Bankai ichigo is generally accepted around the anime community to be hypersonic easily. as he gets stronger during the series his speed grew. Dangai ichigo is still hypersonic but ranging from mid to high tier hypersonic. Most likely mid. Many have calcd him to be so

See, this is what pisses me off with the arguments you and the Based idiot supply me with.

You make baseless assumptions and statements with no proof, calcs, scans or even statements, and you expect me to show scans, proof and calcs of every single thing that I argue about.

See this? Zetsu's explanation alone proves Itachi to have lightning speed plus reactions. Sasuke was able to perceive and even blitz Itachi, proving that Raikage, who's speed was far above what Sasuke could counter, is AT THE VERY LEAST lightning speed+.

You dumb phucks STILL HAVEN'T EVEN GIVEN A SINGLE EXPLANATION AS TO WHY AIZEN IS FASTER THAN MADARA. And no, saying "Aizen looks like he's moving faster" is NOT a valid argument, as I proved by posting that Superman scan.

If you disagree with my calcs, post something disproving them, otherwise you admit your own stupidity.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
See, this is what pisses me off with the arguments you and the Based idiot supply me with.

You make baseless assumptions and statements with no proof, calcs, scans or even statements, and you expect me to show scans, proof and calcs of every single thing that I argue about.

See this? Zetsu's explanation alone proves Itachi to have lightning speed plus reactions. Sasuke was able to perceive and even blitz Itachi, proving that Raikage, who's speed was far above what Sasuke could counter, is AT THE VERY LEAST lightning speed+.

You dumb phucks STILL HAVEN'T EVEN GIVEN A SINGLE EXPLANATION AS TO WHY AIZEN IS FASTER THAN MADARA. And no, saying "Aizen looks like he's moving faster" is NOT a valid argument, as I proved by posting that Superman scan.

If you disagree with my calcs, post something disproving them, otherwise you admit your own stupidity.

itachi got hit with a shuriken are you saying shurkiken are faster than lightning.

Originally posted by chasedown
Aizen literrally has thousands of years of battle experience over madara and is a better strategist and master manipulator

What does the thousands of years experience do for Aizen? He has the same advantage on Goku, but due to the fact that Goku is a much better fighter, with speed quadrillions of leagues above him, as well as power and destructive output that makes the entire Bleach verse cower in fear from Krillin level characters, Goku SHITS on Aizen before he even fought Raditz. Just like Madara does.

What do you have to base that on? Aizen is a manipulative expert, but who from Naruto isn't? Aizen had the authority of the highest kind in Bleach, and still managed to lose where Madara who was an exiled traitor has succeeded.