Madara Uchiha vs Monster Aizen

Originally posted by yungz22
you still havent shown were these calcs are coming from your only throwing numbers at me and wherever your getting them from if whoevers came up with the formulas there using to get these nu,ber if they dont have a degree they arent credible.

...also you cant use the yama explosion because Aizen yama grabbed aizen while his back was turned... Yama is one of the strongest characters to ever live in soul society. hell even by that point in the series Aizen even admitted that yama jii was stronger than him so he of all people would be able to hold him and stop him from avoiding the attack...

naruto light speed? oh now youve gone too far thats dbz status

ALSO YAMAMOTO LOST HIS ARM DURING THE EXPLOSION DONT YOU THINK THAT IS WHY AIZEN GOT OUT WHILE THE EXPLOSION WAS STILL GOING

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
I posted the link. Either way, the only think we can assume with what we're given is that there are no countries or lands outside of the ones we've seen, making the countries as a whole, the collection of land mass on the Naruto world, or in other words, a supercontinent, making all the countries continent sized.

You posted a wiki-link. Bentley was probably asking for the scans referenced in the wiki-link. Burden of proof dictates that if you make a claim you should be able to back it up with concrete evidence. It is not the responsibility of the other guy to do it for you.

Also you keep mentioning the Juubi biju-bomb was a country buster so where are these scans. Its a definite city-buster and arguably the best destruction feat in the HST but what reasoning do you have for stating that its a country-buster. Please post scans of these events if possible.

you cant use wikipedia for proof... wikipedia is not a credible source did you not learn that i school.

Madara has no Movement feats whatsoever sure he may have more destructive power than aizen ill give you that. but speed kills along with the other factor i keep posting above regular madara loses. Now sage madara might be a different story

aizen is faster if you judge it by feats. We seen him move faster than Madara ever has.

i still cant believe you said naruto is lightspeed dbz characters arent even that fast. except for gokus instant transmission.

the juubi is merely isnt a continent buster i dont even think country buster... city buster id agree.... the juubi only destroyed wherever was and im thinking thats the cloud village.... not the whole lightningcountry

whose to say the world map couldnt be expaned upon if kishi wanted he could have exploerer travel the seas and discover new regions.... sota like how there used to be only one pokemon world map which was kanto but look how much its been expanded now theres more than 4 different regions that have been discoverd or created. The naruto world map is only a map of a continent they are aware of if kishi wanted he could add on to it...

Madara would win at their initial levels, but would need to seal Aizen before the whole evolving thing.

Originally posted by yungz22
you cant use wikipedia for proof... wikipedia is not a credible source did you not learn that i school.

Madara has no Movement feats whatsoever sure he may have more destructive power than aizen ill give you that. but speed kills along with the other factor i keep posting above regular madara loses. Now sage madara might be a different story

aizen is faster if you judge it by feats. We seen him move faster than Madara ever has.

i still cant believe you said naruto is lightspeed dbz characters arent even that fast. except for gokus instant transmission.

the juubi is merely isnt a continent buster i dont even think country buster... city buster id agree.... the juubi only destroyed wherever was and im thinking thats the cloud village.... not the whole lightningcountry

whose to say the world map couldnt be expaned upon if kishi wanted he could have exploerer travel the seas and discover new regions.... sota like how there used to be only one pokemon world map which was kanto but look how much its been expanded now theres more than 4 different regions that have been discoverd or created. The naruto world map is only a map of a continent they are aware of if kishi wanted he could add on to it...

imeant to say juubi destroyed the cloud village becaus ehtats where hq was

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Madara would win at their initial levels, but would need to seal Aizen before the whole evolving thing.

read my numbered reasons aizen would win on the previous page

Originally posted by yungz22
you cant use wikipedia for proof... wikipedia is not a credible source did you not learn that i school.

Madara has no Movement feats whatsoever sure he may have more destructive power than aizen ill give you that. but speed kills along with the other factor i keep posting above regular madara loses. Now sage madara might be a different story

aizen is faster if you judge it by feats. We seen him move faster than Madara ever has.

i still cant believe you said naruto is lightspeed dbz characters arent even that fast. except for gokus instant transmission.

the juubi is merely isnt a continent buster i dont even think country buster... city buster id agree.... the juubi only destroyed wherever was and im thinking thats the cloud village.... not the whole lightningcountry

whose to say the world map couldnt be expaned upon if kishi wanted he could have exploerer travel the seas and discover new regions.... sota like how there used to be only one pokemon world map which was kanto but look how much its been expanded now theres more than 4 different regions that have been discoverd or created. The naruto world map is only a map of a continent they are aware of if kishi wanted he could add on to it...

You are phucking retarded. The Naruto wiki is not wikipedia, dumb phuck. Even though wikipedia IS a credible source, and that's an excuse middle school teachers like yours use to keep you from cheating. 👆

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Are you inbred?

They later said this jutsu was a primitive, unrefined version of Minato's FTG, which also teleports you at light speed. This makes Naruto light speed. 👆

I don't want to get started on DBZ light speed, because going by feats and calcs, I can prove that base Namek saga Goku was over 70,700 times faster than light speed just with his flight speed.

It was stated by Pein or someone that if you had all nine tailed beasts you could use their power to destroy entire countries in an instant. I don't remember the page or have the scan, but you haven't posted any scans yet, so...

We haven't seen Aizen move faster. For the last time, he is MUCH stronger than Yamamoto, and it was even stated that he was. He broke Yama's grip and still didn't escape the explosion.

This scan reveals that Aizen escaped Yama's grip just before the explosion. If Yamamoto's arm got torn off, it was by Aizen pulling it off to escape. 👆

For the last time, the only thing you have to counter my calcs with is your baseless assumptions that have already been disproven by the manga. Aizen is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH stronger than Yamamoto, and you saying he isn't shows your fan-tardation.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
You are phucking retarded. The Naru, dumb phuck. Even though wikipedia IS a credible source, and that's an excuse middle school teachers like yours use to keep you from cheating. 👆

-_-

Are you inbred?

They later said this jutsu was a primitive, unrefined version of Minato's FTG, which also teleports you at light speed. This makes Naruto light speed. 👆

I don't want to get started on DBZ light speed, because going by feats and calcs, I can prove that base Namek saga Goku was over 70,700 times faster than light speed just with his flight speed.

It was stated by Pein or someone that if you had all nine tailed beasts you could use their power to destroy entire countries in an instant. I don't remember the page or have the scan, but you haven't posted any scans yet, so...

We haven't seen Aizen move faster. For the last time, he is MUCH stronger than Yamamoto, and it was even stated that he was. He broke Yama's grip and still didn't escape the explosion.

This scan reveals that Aizen escaped Yama's grip just before the explosion. If Yamamoto's arm got torn off, it was by Aizen pulling it off to escape. 👆

For the last time, the only thing you have to counter my calcs with is your baseless assumptions that have already been disproven by the manga. Aizen is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH stronger than Yamamoto, and you saying he isn't shows your fan-tardation.

Im actually in college and no wikipedia isnt a credible source. Good look on any future research papers you might have if you think otherwise. Wikis are online encyclopedias. anybody can change information on it that is why it isnt credible as well as. You still fail to produce the sources credibility for your calcs. this means that you have to prove the credibility of the person who calculated this stuff in the first place. If you just go around quoting sources that arent credited i feel sorry for you in school because its gonna definitely hurt your grades. insulting me isnt going to change my opinion so idk why you continue with it. its actually rather childish only kids insult people when during arguments in an attempt to win it. now back to the argument

Aizen stated himself that Yamamoto was stronger than him before that explosion even occured what are you talking about. and yama's didnt lose his arm until after the explosion initiated so of course hes going to get his with by the explosion. Also after that aizen is only going to get stronger and faster. once he enters crysalis stages he becomes stronger than Yama jii. What movement speed feats does madara have you still fail to answer that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucGubAJnWHY --- you mean to tell me that this is LS start at 3:45

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9MKOvq2WxA - but this isnt start at 5:07

you clearly have a biased opinion both instances are in the manga so using the anime is plausible since both show canon material and aizen is clearly faster.

Originally posted by yungz22
Im actually in college and no wikipedia isnt a credible source. Good look on any future research papers you might have if you think otherwise. Wikis are online encyclopedias. anybody can change information on it that is why it isnt credible as well as. You still fail to produce the sources credibility for your calcs. this means that you have to prove the credibility of the person who calculated this stuff in the first place. If you just go around quoting sources that arent credited i feel sorry for you in school because its gonna definitely hurt your grades. insulting me isnt going to change my opinion so idk why you continue with it. its actually rather childish only kids insult people when during arguments in an attempt to win it. now back to the argument

Aizen stated himself that Yamamoto was stronger than him before that explosion even occured what are you talking about. and yama's didnt lose his arm until after the explosion initiated so of course hes going to get his with by the explosion. Also after that aizen is only going to get stronger and faster. once he enters crysalis stages he becomes stronger than Yama jii. What movement speed feats does madara have you still fail to answer that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucGubAJnWHY --- you mean to tell me that this is LS start at 3:45

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9MKOvq2WxA - but this isnt start at 5:07

you clearly have a biased opinion both instances are in the manga so using the anime is plausible since both show canon material and aizen is clearly faster.

You are obviously NOT in college, as is proven through your grammar. 👆

How do I have a biased opinion, when you're the one judging a characters speed by what their anime looks like? The Yellow flash is able to teleport at the speed of light, as is Naruto. 👆

You still have posted NOTHING to support your claims, and as such, this discussion is over. You have proved nothing, and I have. I win, you lose. 👆

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
You are obviously NOT in college, as is proven through your grammar. 👆

How do I have a biased opinion, when you're the one judging a characters speed by what their anime looks like? The Yellow flash is able to teleport at the speed of light, as is Naruto. 👆

You still have posted NOTHING to support your claims, and as such, this discussion is over. You have proved nothing, and I have. I win, you lose. 👆

lol It even looks faster in the manga

http://www.manga2u.me/Bleach/388/12/
http://www.manga2u.me/Bleach/388/13/

who cares about grammar on a forum nobodys grading my work and i dont care. Lol i Am in college i go to ohio state university. i dont feel like proof reading

Where are your so called calcs that say he's light speed because everyone ive read clearly state hes hypersonic.

The Flying Thunder God Technique is a technique created by the Second Hokage, Tobirama Senju, which allows the user to transport themselves to a given marked location instantaneously. the hiraishin is not a movement feat its a jutsu that teleports you to a location.

without those kunai he the 4th nor the second are moving at that speed.

are you saying that naruto is faster than hei who is an upper sclass demon.

here goes naruto in the manga

http://www.manga2u.me/Naruto/601/16/
http://www.manga2u.me/Naruto/601/17/

cmon man hes clearly not faster than aizen

lol hes clearly not moving lightspeed

of my seven points i posted earlier their all fact their isnt anything to prove.... You still have yet to show me a madara speed feat that looks even remotely close to aizen's speed.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
You are obviously NOT in college, as is proven through your grammar. 👆

How do I have a biased opinion, when you're the one judging a characters speed by what their anime looks like? The Yellow flash is able to teleport at the speed of light, as is Naruto. 👆

You still have posted NOTHING to support your claims, and as such, this discussion is over. You have proved nothing, and I have. I win, you lose. 👆

Im sorry dude Naruto is not LS that's a preposterous statement. Your gonna have to prove that one. If he is LS that would put Aizen at an entirely whole another speed level.

Both Bankai level ichigo WITHOUT the mask and Naruto have been calced at hypersonic. I bet you will find more calculations that say that than youll find saying Naruto is LS

If naruto was faster than the flying thunder god technique he wouldnt have needed Tobirama to attack Sage Obito. Its common logic

Originally posted by chasedown
If naruto was faster than the flying thunder god technique he wouldnt have needed Tobirama to attack Sage Obito. Its common logic

Hiraishin = Light speed, not Sage mode Naruto = Light speed.

You obviously haven't read any of my posts.

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Originally posted by yungz22
lol It even looks faster in the manga

http://www.manga2u.me/Bleach/388/12/
http://www.manga2u.me/Bleach/388/13/

who cares about grammar on a forum nobodys grading my work and i dont care. Lol i Am in college i go to ohio state university. i dont feel like proof reading

Where are your so called calcs that say he's light speed because everyone ive read clearly state hes hypersonic.

The Flying Thunder God Technique is a technique created by the Second Hokage, Tobirama Senju, which allows the user to transport themselves to a given marked location instantaneously. the hiraishin is not a movement feat its a jutsu that teleports you to a location.

without those kunai he the 4th nor the second are moving at that speed.

are you saying that naruto is faster than hei who is an upper sclass demon.

How the phuck does that matter, retard? You remind me of Arnie from What's eating Gilbert Grape.

Does THIS "look" light speed? Not even close. Does it look like Superman is going light speed when we see him clearly moving? Not even close. Do you know why? It's because things in action series with people moving like that are shown from the characters POV's, not ours. That's why while Ichigo and Zangetsu are moving much faster than humans can even perceive, they are clearly visible to us. If you don't understand that even though you've clearly watched/read action series before, then you've obviously been diagnosed with some form of mental retardation.

Going by your definition, THIS looks like light speed, so it MUST be. However, we both know this is nothing in terms of Naruto speed. 👆

What speed is determined by is feats, statements and scaling, not from biased speculation from a ten year old reading online manga thinking that characters are light speed because they vanish from our view. 👆

Going by that logic, even Nana in this scan is FTL.

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Originally posted by yungz22
lol It even looks faster in the manga

http://www.manga2u.me/Bleach/388/12/
http://www.manga2u.me/Bleach/388/13/

who cares about grammar on a forum nobodys grading my work and i dont care. Lol i Am in college i go to ohio state university. i dont feel like proof reading

Where are your so called calcs that say he's light speed because everyone ive read clearly state hes hypersonic.

The Flying Thunder God Technique is a technique created by the Second Hokage, Tobirama Senju, which allows the user to transport themselves to a given marked location instantaneously. the hiraishin is not a movement feat its a jutsu that teleports you to a location.

without those kunai he the 4th nor the second are moving at that speed.

are you saying that naruto is faster than hei who is an upper sclass demon.

The FTG is NOT instant. It was said to be a refined version of the cloud teleportation jutsu, and it only teleports you at the speed of light.

Okay, but Naruto still is. Not to mention that the Second hokage is NOT light speed, as Minato's teleportation is superior to his, being light speed. That's why you can see the stream of Hiaraishin when someone uses it.

Yes, Naruto and most upper tier characters in Naruto ARE indescribably faster than Hiei.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
The FTG is NOT instant. It was said to be a refined version of the cloud teleportation jutsu, and it only teleports you at the speed of light.

Okay, but Naruto still is. Not to mention that the Second hokage is NOT light speed, as Minato's teleportation is superior to his, being light speed. That's why you can see the stream of Hiaraishin when someone uses it.

Yes, Naruto and most upper tier characters in Naruto ARE indescribably faster than Hiei.

You realize your the only one who believes this right?

Naruto cant teleport the 4th is still faster than him with ftg. Teleportation is not movement at the speed of light

And that manga example of nana is invalid because it doesnt show distance of a character moving from point a to b
For someone who believes so much i calcs why dont you believe the calcs when it comes to narutos speed

Also you do realize that lower s class demons speed is calced at mach 50 hei is much faster than that at end of the series

Originally posted by chasedown
You realize your the only one who believes this right?

*you're

That's fine. That just means that I'm the only one who's not mentally retarded. Good argument. 👆