Madara Uchiha vs Monster Aizen

Started by SSJGGogeta18 pages
Originally posted by chasedown
itachi got hit with a shuriken are you saying shurkiken are faster than lightning.

Sasuke only landed that hit because he outsmarted Itachi.

Just like in Bleach when Ichigo threw a giant boulder at Ulquiorra and hit him. What you're implying is literally that anyone throwing something can only move at the same speed. So... The rock that Nappa threw at Goku which was moving fast enough to leave Earth's atmosphere was going the same speed as the shuriken thrown by Konohamaru that PTS Naruto dodged easily?

Itachi was outsmarted by Sasuke, already on his deathbed, and not even aiming to win the fight.

If you want to assume that Sasuke's strategy had nothing to do with his shuriken hitting Itachi, then yes, you need to assume that he can move his shuriken faster than lightning.

Dumb ass.

http://animeshowdownold.wikispaces.com/Kurosaki+Ichigo
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Aizen_Sosuke
http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=17326
http://anime-showdown.wikispaces.com/Character+Profile+-+S%C5%8Dsuke+Aizen
http://fictionalfights.wikispaces.com/Aizen+Sosuke
http://omniversal.wikispaces.com/Character+Profile+-+Hollow+Ichigo
http://cosmicanime.wikispaces.com/Aizen+Sosuke
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/HSTInfinity's_Bleach_Speed_Calculation
http://anime-showdown.wikispaces.com/Character+Profile+-+T%C5%8Dshir%C5%8D+Hitsugaya ---both hitsuguya and ichigo have performed the same feat dodging gins shikai. ichigo even better dodged both bankai and shikai.
http://cosmicanime.wikispaces.com/Grimmjow+Jaggerjack
http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=203881&highlight=Bleach+speed+calculations
http://comicdash.wikispaces.com/Sosuke+Aizen
http://comicdash.wikispaces.com/Ichigo+Kurosaki
http://fictionalfights.wikispaces.com/Madara+Uchiha

http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=36346029&postcount=1 --- ss arc Shikai ichigo is mach 4 hypersonic starts at mach 5

its general knowledge throughout the whole anime community bleach characters are easily hypersonic to hypersonic plus.
barring use of ftg top tier naruto characters are only hypersonic.

http://deadliestfictionalwarrior.wikispaces.com/Hypersonic

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Sasuke only landed that hit because he outsmarted Itachi.

Just like in Bleach when Ichigo threw a giant boulder at Ulquiorra and hit him. What you're implying is literally that anyone throwing something can only move at the same speed. So... The rock that Nappa threw at Goku which was moving fast enough to leave Earth's atmosphere was going the same speed as the shuriken thrown by Konohamaru that PTS Naruto dodged easily?

Itachi was outsmarted by Sasuke, already on his deathbed, and not even aiming to win the fight.

If you want to assume that Sasuke's strategy had nothing to do with his shuriken hitting Itachi, then yes, you need to assume that he can move his shuriken faster than lightning.

Dumb ass.


you have to realize that the part of the shuriken that hit sasuke was not thrown by him it was propelled by the shuriken itself. Itachi was hit by a regular real worldy moving shurkin. Even Zetsu said he should have dodged it.
So Itachi was sick enough and on his death bed to not be able to dodge a shuriken but alos sick enough that he could dodge lightining?

heres the link that wouldnt work---http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/HSTInfinity's_Bleach_Speed_Calculation

Both hisagi and findor are both hypersonic. Both ICHIGO and Aizen are leagues faster than him

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
What does the thousands of years experience do for Aizen? He has the same advantage on Goku, but due to the fact that Goku is a much better fighter, with speed quadrillions of leagues above him, as well as power and destructive output that makes the entire Bleach verse cower in fear from Krillin level characters, Goku SHITS on Aizen before he even fought Raditz. Just like Madara does.

What do you have to base that on? Aizen is a manipulative expert, but who from Naruto isn't? Aizen had the authority of the highest kind in Bleach, and still managed to lose where Madara who was an exiled traitor has succeeded.


Goku is a god why would you use him as an example of course aizen cant beat him goku is waaay to quick, powerful and durable for aizen. Too many factors push that in goku's favor.

Destructive out put doesnt always make you the victor in battles.Brains can prevail over strength any day ask shikamaru. In the end that is what beat aizen as urahara is the real reason aizen lost. Ichigo really lost lthat fight because aizen was up and ready for another round.

Aizen created literally a couple hundred maybe even thousand year plan. Everything he predicted to occur happened exactly the way he wanted it to. He literally manipulated all of soul society for years. He eventually succeeding in stealing the hogyoku, took control of hueco mundo in a shrt amount of time, created an army of powerful beings that were scared to disobey him even in the slightest(except for grimmjow but that was corrected), Created plans to trap the 4 captains in Hueco mundo while he invaded karakura, Took out every captain and vizard while their, Created a plan to get rid of yamamoto as he was the only one could overpower him at the time. That is what i call the perfect mixture, of strategy, brains and power. Aizen was like a troll because not only was smart he was stronger than damn near everybody. but eventually outsmarted by kisuke. If it wasnt for urahara Aizen would have suceeded.

The only Master manipulator ive seen in naruto is ORO. he literally ha a country under his control. He even had the sand village under his control for a little bit. Madara manipulated a whimpy 13 year old kid into doing his work for him

Originally posted by yungz22
http://animeshowdownold.wikispaces.com/Kurosaki+Ichigo
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Aizen_Sosuke
http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=17326
http://anime-showdown.wikispaces.com/Character+Profile+-+S%C5%8Dsuke+Aizen
http://fictionalfights.wikispaces.com/Aizen+Sosuke
http://omniversal.wikispaces.com/Character+Profile+-+Hollow+Ichigo
http://cosmicanime.wikispaces.com/Aizen+Sosuke
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/HSTInfinity's_Bleach_Speed_Calculation
http://anime-showdown.wikispaces.com/Character+Profile+-+T%C5%8Dshir%C5%8D+Hitsugaya ---both hitsuguya and ichigo have performed the same feat dodging gins shikai. ichigo even better dodged both bankai and shikai.
http://cosmicanime.wikispaces.com/Grimmjow+Jaggerjack
http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=203881&highlight=Bleach+speed+calculations
http://comicdash.wikispaces.com/Sosuke+Aizen
http://comicdash.wikispaces.com/Ichigo+Kurosaki
http://fictionalfights.wikispaces.com/Madara+Uchiha

http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=36346029&postcount=1 --- ss arc Shikai ichigo is mach 4 hypersonic starts at mach 5

its general knowledge throughout the whole anime community bleach characters are easily hypersonic to hypersonic plus.
barring use of ftg top tier naruto characters are only hypersonic.

http://deadliestfictionalwarrior.wikispaces.com/Hypersonic

This is a notable attempt at proving Bleach speed to me, but these all have one thing in common.

NONE OF THEM USE AN ACCURATE TIME FRAME.

The Hisagi one is garbage because you don't know if that silo was steel, and was far more likely a weak metal like aluminum.

The one with pixel scaling was more believable, but still didn't give any kind of time frame. You know why? Because it's never been specified in Bleach. They rarely ever give time frames, and if they do, they still don't care to give distance or any specific details that create huge variables that can give them ranges of speed from barely mach 1 to mach 30.

Either way, you still haven't given a single calc, scan or statement to prove speed. Only a few idiots pixel scaling and some retards assumption that a water tank was made from steel.

Can I take that as a concession?

Originally posted by yungz22
you have to realize that the part of the shuriken that hit sasuke was not thrown by him it was propelled by the shuriken itself. Itachi was hit by a regular real worldy moving shurkin. Even Zetsu said he should have dodged it.
So Itachi was sick enough and on his death bed to not be able to dodge a shuriken but alos sick enough that he could dodge lightining?

Did you also forget that Sasuke used lightning chakra to amplify the speed and slicing power of the shurikens? Zetsu did say Itachi could have dodged it, but again, he wasn't even trying to win the fight. He was trying to give Sasuke Amaterasu, which is why he used Susano'o to block Kirin. Either way, it simply shows that Itachi's speed can range from him just phucking around at low mach speed to well over lightning speed when he's actually trying.

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Again though, you said it yourself in a previous post. The fastest/strongest doesn't always win. Sasuke landed that hit because he strategically rigged it.

Originally posted by yungz22
heres the link that wouldnt work---http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/HSTInfinity's_Bleach_Speed_Calculation

Both hisagi and findor are both hypersonic. Both ICHIGO and Aizen are leagues faster than him

As I said just a post or two ago, there's no way to know that water silo was made of steel. It could be any metal. The calc is based entirely upon assumptions, and is completely bogus. As are all of these Bleach calc sites you provided.

Originally posted by yungz22
Goku is a god why would you use him as an example of course aizen cant beat him goku is waaay to quick, powerful and durable for aizen. Too many factors push that in goku's favor.

Destructive out put doesnt always make you the victor in battles.Brains can prevail over strength any day ask shikamaru. In the end that is what beat aizen as urahara is the real reason aizen lost. Ichigo really lost lthat fight because aizen was up and ready for another round.

Aizen created literally a couple hundred maybe even thousand year plan. Everything he predicted to occur happened exactly the way he wanted it to. He literally manipulated all of soul society for years. He eventually succeeding in stealing the hogyoku, took control of hueco mundo in a shrt amount of time, created an army of powerful beings that were scared to disobey him even in the slightest(except for grimmjow but that was corrected), Created plans to trap the 4 captains in Hueco mundo while he invaded karakura, Took out every captain and vizard while their, Created a plan to get rid of yamamoto as he was the only one could overpower him at the time. That is what i call the perfect mixture, of strategy, brains and power. Aizen was like a troll because not only was smart he was stronger than damn near everybody. but eventually outsmarted by kisuke. If it wasnt for urahara Aizen would have suceeded.

The only Master manipulator ive seen in naruto is ORO. he literally ha a country under his control. He even had the sand village under his control for a little bit. Madara manipulated a whimpy 13 year old kid into doing his work for him

Goku wasn't a god until the most recent DBZ movie, and even during the Saiyan saga, he would have shat on the entire Bleach-verse while laughing. Again though, Aizen still has thousands of years experience on him. I used Goku to prove that experience means nothing if your opponent simply outclasses you in every way, shape and form.

Aizen manipulated a whiny 15 year old and put on a front to everyone else. Aizen didn't have any special "plan". He weaseled his way into becoming a captain and then happened to stumble upon the info he needed to become a hollow during the hundreds of years he was a captain. Aizen's plan only worked because of how strong he was naturally, and his shikai's hax ability.

Kisuke didn't "plan" anything. He simply stacked a hado on top of another one and waited for Ichigo to weaken him so it would take effect.

Madara literally manipulated an entire clan to kill itself, before setting in motion a plan to rely on Obito and Nagato, who he had the foresight to implant his eyes in. His plan was set up for the course of dozens of years, when he didn't even have nearly as much time as Aizen did to come up with it.

Again though, Aizen's intelligence has nothing to do with this fight. He can't do anything against Madara to hurt him, and Madara can speed blitz him as well as vaporize him in seconds.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
As I said just a post or two ago, there's no way to know that water silo was made of steel. It could be any metal. The calc is based entirely upon assumptions, and is completely bogus. As are all of these Bleach calc sites you provided.

lol What are silos made of plastic? Humans mainly use tempered steel for that type of stuff. So what are you saying the metal is harder than steel?

The mayuri calc is from odb and its been accepted so has the ichigo calc.....you also posted stuff from the same type of sites lol.

Do you realize your the only one in the world that says Madara can speed blitz Aizen. Where are his movement feats?You cant back a claim like that up because madara has no feats like that and there are zero calcs that put him past hypersonic in Reaction speed.

Originally posted by chasedown
lol What are silos made of plastic? Humans mainly use tempered steel for that type of stuff. So what are you saying the metal is harder than steel?

The mayuri calc is from odb and its been accepted so has the ichigo calc.....you also posted calcs from the same type of sites lol.

Wheres the light speed calc you have/?

Are you phucking retarded? Humans don't use tempered steel to hold water, it's too expensive, retard. If you had any kind of elementary english skills, you'd know that I was saying that it's likely that a water silo of that size was made of aluminum, which I could probably break with a punch.

What Mayuri calc? I didn't see that one, but the Ichigo calc is retarded too. They literally say that a character is mach whatever without giving any indication of the time in which they traveled whatever distance. Or vice-versa.

I posted calcs that I made on my own. The calcs that are based off of cannon events, scans or statements, and not assumptions, pixel scaling and bias.

OBD pixel scaling is not accepted anywhere but on OBD. 👆

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
I posted calcs that I made on my own.

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Originally posted by chasedown
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One piece > Bleach >> Naruto in speed

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
One piece > Bleach >> Naruto in speed

Hes failing to realize this. Least i know im not crazy. Lol

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Did you also forget that Sasuke used lightning chakra to amplify the speed and slicing power of the shurikens? Zetsu did say Itachi could have dodged it, but again, he wasn't even trying to win the fight. He was trying to give Sasuke Amaterasu, which is why he used Susano'o to block Kirin. Either way, it simply shows that Itachi's speed can range from him just phucking around at low mach speed to well over lightning speed when he's actually trying.

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Again though, you said it yourself in a previous post. The fastest/strongest doesn't always win. Sasuke landed that hit because he strategically rigged it.

lol itachi was trying to push sasuke to his limit. Tell me how letting yourself get crippled by a shuriken possibly helps sasuke do that

Originally posted by yungz22

its general knowledge throughout the whole anime community bleach characters are easily hypersonic to hypersonic plus.
barring use of ftg top tier naruto characters are only hypersonic.

You're 8th Gated Gai isn't hypersonic plus? OBD(one of your sources do this calcs) considers Gai to be faster FTG Ichigo.

http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=975391

Just saying. I don't believe in complicated calculation for fictional characters.

Originally posted by Zamiel
You're saying 8th Gated Gai isn't hypersonic plus? OBD(one of your sources that do these calcs) considers Gai to be faster than FTG Ichigo.

http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=975391

Just saying. I don't believe in complicated calculations for fictional characters.

Fixed. Was typing too fast. They also have Juubi's beam speed at Mach 88.97.

Originally posted by Zamiel
You're 8th Gated Gai isn't hypersonic plus? OBD(one of your sources do this calcs) considers Gai to be faster FTG Ichigo.

http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=975391

Just saying. I don't believe in complicated calculation for fictional characters.

I left him out think gai may be the only one i forgot about his speed since to put him in into the factor since he was just revealed.
It would make sense for him to be hypersonic plus because naruto's hypersonic and he madara was keeping up with him in terms of reaction.... But as we can see when facing gai thats a completely different story

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
One piece > Bleach >> Naruto in speed

PFFT, thanks for again making baseless claims only held up by your own ignorant, biased fanboy-ism. 👆

Again, Raikage can react to light speed, and move faster than lightning. Nagato soloed two people who were greater than or = to that in speed. Itachi stomped on him, and Madara was able to effortlessly shit stomp a version of Sasuke who was MUCH stronger and faster than Itachi.

Madara is easily well over lightning speed, and can react to FAR faster than light speed.

Making stupid statements like that only proves your own ignorance, you fan tard.

High tier Naruto>One Piece>>>Bleach in speed. 👆