Madara Uchiha vs Monster Aizen

Originally posted by chasedown
Naruto cant teleport the 4th is still faster than him with ftg. Teleportation is not movement at the speed of light

And that manga example of nana is invalid because it doesnt show distance of a character moving from point a to b
For someone who believes so much i calcs why dont you believe the calcs when it comes to narutos speed

Also you do realize that lower s class demons speed is calced at mach 50 hei is much faster than that at end of the series

Naruto has been able to use FTG since the minute he used Chakra mode.

Hm, teleportation isn't light speed?

Except it does on the next chapter, dumb ****. It shows a character vanishing from sight, which according to yungz instantly makes them light speed.

Nice job throwing around statements with no basis like the yungz dude. You two are obviously brain dead, so just get back to your ignorant pondering and leave debating to the adults. Either show proof with calcs, scans, statements and feats, or just keep your stupidity to yourself. 👆

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Naruto has been able to use FTG since the minute he used Chakra mode.

Hm, teleportation isn't light speed?

Except it does on the next chapter, dumb ****. It shows a character vanishing from sight, which according to yungz instantly makes them light speed.

Nice job throwing around statements with no basis like the yungz dude. You two are obviously brain dead, so just get back to your ignorant pondering and leave debating to the adults. Either show proof with calcs, scans, statements and feats, or just keep your stupidity to yourself. 👆

I read yungz argument he never said anyone was ls. Your the only person that thinks naruto is LS. Naruto doesnt have FTG only the 4th and the second have that ability. If naruto was ls he wouldnt have needed the 2nd the hit sage obito with that rasengan.

FTG is more similar to "Wormhole Tunnel", Minato's kunai are directed at a specific point/location, which opens up a space tunnel between the kunai and the user, resulting in a momentary teleportation - its called Einstein–Rosen bridge, and its like punching a hole in space, creating a temporary bridge through space and time which is why its called Space"Time" Ninjutsu. Ftg is not the bodies' movement of speed. That might be what yungz meant.
The jutsu also has to be prepped which slows down the jutsu altogether

Either way thats irrelevant naruto cant teleport if he could we would have seen him do it the countless times he needed someone around him to use FTG. Minato and the second are still the fastest ninja with FTG without it naruto trumps them with Hypersonic speed.

By the way where are Madara's speed feats?

I basically was comparing naruto's speed with aizen's and saying if you think naruto attack against madara was at light speed then what aizen did to ichigo would be way faster then light speed because clearly the faster person of those two instances was aizen in both manga and anime comparisons.

Originally posted by chasedown
I read yungz argument he never said anyone was ls. Your the only person that thinks naruto is LS. Naruto doesnt have FTG only the 4th and the second have that ability. If naruto was ls he wouldnt have needed the 2nd the hit sage obito with that rasengan.

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucGubAJnWHY --- you mean to tell me that this is LS start at 3:45

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9MKOvq2WxA - but this isnt start at 5:07"

He didn't huh? He obviously insinuated that the second clip was LS. 👆

Doesn't have FTG? Hmm. mmm

"For the last time retard, Naruto is only LS in KCM, not Sage mode."

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Originally posted by chasedown
FTG is more similar to "Wormhole Tunnel", Minato's kunai are directed at a specific point/location, which opens up a space tunnel between the kunai and the user, resulting in a momentary teleportation - its called Einstein–Rosen bridge, and its like punching a hole in space, creating a temporary bridge through space and time which is why its called Space"Time" Ninjutsu. Ftg is not the bodies' movement of speed. That might be what yungz meant.
The jutsu also has to be prepped which slows down the jutsu altogether

Either way thats irrelevant naruto cant teleport if he could we would have seen him do it the countless times he needed someone around him to use FTG. Minato and the second are still the fastest ninja with FTG without it naruto trumps them with Hypersonic speed.

By the way where are Madara's speed feats?

Um, kind of. However, just it being a "space-time ninjutsu", doesn't mean it's literally bypassing time. A simple bunshin is also a space-time ninjutsu, but is only fast movement that kicks up dirt. 👆

FTG is a jutsu that uses chakra to move the user as a mass of light, i.e. the "Yellow flash".

These examples are all just off the top of my head. How high are you, to think that Naruto, who has specifically been dubbed in his series "The second yellow flash, can't use the "yellow flash"?

Madara's speed feats are as mentioned in previous posts by me. Read the manga if you don't know them, before getting into debates you clearly have no place in. 👆

Originally posted by yungz22
I basically was comparing naruto's speed with aizen's and saying if you think naruto attack against madara was at light speed then what aizen did to ichigo would be way faster then light speed because clearly the faster person of those two instances was aizen in both manga and anime comparisons.

Does THIS look light speed? No, but it is, due to statements and/or narration.

This one scan proves that how it "looks" obviously has NOTHING to do with how fast it actually is. Just like how in DBZ, Vegeta though Goku was tricking them with fast movement, while actually using instant transmission. It was actually (literally)INFINITELY faster than they thought it was, just because Vegeta used the same biased, ignorant, overall stupid and just plain incorrect, logic that you do. 👆

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Um, kind of. However, just it being a "space-time ninjutsu", doesn't mean it's literally bypassing time. A simple bunshin is also a space-time ninjutsu, but is only fast movement that kicks up dirt. 👆

FTG is a jutsu that uses chakra to move the user as a mass of light, i.e. the "Yellow flash".

These examples are all just off the top of my head. How high are you, to think that Naruto, who has specifically been dubbed in his series "The second yellow flash, can't use the "yellow flash"?

Madara's speed feats are as mentioned in previous posts by me. Read the manga if you don't know them, before getting into debates you clearly have no place in. 👆

You dont think the fact that naruto's chakra cloak emits yellow light as he dodge raikage's punch.could be the reason they said its "like" the yellow flash. Naruto is not teleporting otherwise he wouldnt need others to do it.

Also the kyubbi whipped those bijuu bombs away with a chakra tail he didnt teleport them.

Where is madara's speed feat? You seem to be dodging the question.

He was stating that he learned a savior doenst make mistakes from his father not FTG

Originally posted by yungz22
You dont think the fact that naruto's chakra cloak emits yellow light as he dodge raikage's punch.could be the reason they said its "like" the yellow flash. Naruto is not teleporting otherwise he wouldnt need others to do it.

Also the kyubbi whipped those bijuu bombs away with a chakra tail he didnt teleport them.

Where is madara's speed feat? You seem to be dodging the question.

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If it wasn't the yellow flash, they wouldn't say it was like it. Especially A and Bee who have both seen it up close. Others? What "others"? Naruto only needs to be in KC or Biju modes. For the last time, he can't use it in sage mode. If you can't comprehend that, then just shut the **** up already, because you sound ****ing retarded.

Chakra tail? Based on? He obviously lashed out at them, otherwise Obito wouldn't have used the world repel. 👆

"Madara was able to toss around attacks that he and Hashirama reacted to and dodged that traveled across oceans in about the same amount of time. He was able to solo five people that could move extremely fast, one who was faster than lightning. He dodged Biju bombs, attacks that could travel to other continents in less than thirty seconds."

As you can see, I was dodging the question because I've already answered it, dumb phuck. 😉

Originally posted by yungz22
He was stating that he learned a savior doenst make mistakes from his father not FTG

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mmm

What you just said literally makes no sense.

Ive never seen such a delusional naruto fan. Ive been searching and still havent found any calcs saying hes lightspeed or anything that says he can use ftg. nor can you show me any calcs. Every single one ive looked at states otherwise and trust me i looked at alot. Your the one who put emphasis on calcs in the beginning of this conversation. yet all you can show me is Just YOUR interpretation of a manga page."like" doesnt mean "is". and there are also different translations for that manga page too. Even in the anime the wording is slightly different

Naruto is just really fast. Hypersonic though not lightspeed. he didnt use ftg against the third raikage, 2nd tsuchikage or madara. He didnt teleport the bijuu bombs he whipped them away with his chakra.
If you read the words on the manga page naruto clearly states that he learned that savior stuff from his father.

" As you said raikage grandpa a savior doesn't make mistakes so i wont. Exactly like my father. Exactly as i learned from him." - Naruto's words

Originally posted by yungz22
Ive never seen such a delusional naruto fan.

😆 😆 😆 lmao

naruto is extremely fast just not LS bro

Naruto also needed his father to teleport the ninja alliance away from the multiple bijuu bombs

Originally posted by yungz22
Ive never seen such a delusional naruto fan. Ive been searching and still havent found any calcs saying hes lightspeed or anything that says he can use ftg. nor can you show me any calcs. Every single one ive looked at states otherwise and trust me i looked at alot. Your the one who put emphasis on calcs in the beginning of this conversation. yet all you can show me is Just YOUR interpretation of a manga page."like" doesnt mean "is". and there are also different translations for that manga page too. Even in the anime the wording is slightly different

Naruto is just really fast. Hypersonic though not lightspeed. he didnt use ftg against the third raikage, 2nd tsuchikage or madara. He didnt teleport the bijuu bombs he whipped them away with his chakra.
If you read the words on the manga page naruto clearly states that he learned that savior stuff from his father.

" As you said raikage grandpa a savior doesn't make mistakes so i wont. Exactly like my father. Exactly as i learned from him." - Naruto's words

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You're ****ing retarded, and the only one other than you that can't see that is chasedown.

I've given scans. Why do I need some calcs that you look up on Google, when I have CANNON MANGA SCANS???

I've already posted several scans of Naruto using Hiraishin, so you are obviously too much of a biased fantard to accept the FACT that Naruto can use Hiraishin and Hiraishin IS LIGHTSPEED, MAKING NARUTO USING HIRAISHIN LIGHTSPEED.

God-phucking-damn, how stupid can a person be?

If Naruto can't use Hiraishin, prove it. I already proved that he can, yet you can't post a single thing other than your own speculation, proving that he can't.

Originally posted by chasedown
Naruto also needed his father to teleport the ninja alliance away from the multiple bijuu bombs

All this proves is that Naruto can't use it on multiple people. He doesn't use the seals like Minato does, he just uses his chakra. You still have done nothing but post your own personal speculation, so you've proved yourself to be almost as ignorant and biased as yungz.

Your scans didnt prove anything nobody said he was using FTG. All they say is they saw a yellow flash that doesnt automatically mean he used FTG "like" doesnt mean is. And Why cant he use it in sage mode The 4th did hiraishin while in sage mode.

If naruto knew ftg why didnt he use it against the kage he fought or against madara. Also have you seen naruto use any kunai with seals on them like tobirama and the 4th..... How could naruto learn ftg if nobody was alive to teach him.

Cmon bro light speed that would mean naruto could make his way around the earth in seconds... This obviously isnt the case because he didnt travel to all the battle locations within seconds it took a while for him to get there. It didnt take him that long but if he was lightspeed he would got there leagues faster than anybody else.

Lol its like not only are you claiming naruto is ls your saying hes faster than light. Thats textbook fanboyism. That would make naruto faster than a shitload of anime characters which clearly isnt the case. I mean if it suits you to think that i guess its fine whatever makes you happy i guess as long as you know your the only one that believes that.

Whatever, the scans are there, and if you're too much of a fan-tard in denial to accept the facts, then that's your own problem. It's painfully obvious that I've won, and Naruto can use Hiraishin. You dodging my point proves you wrong even more.

If anyone else wants to take a whack at this retard, you're welcome. Even plain scans and logic couldn't prove it to him, so good luck.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Whatever, the scans are there, and if you're too much of a fan-tard in denial to accept the facts, then that's your own problem. It's painfully obvious that I've won, and Naruto can use Hiraishin. You dodging my point proves you wrong even more.

If anyone else wants to take a whack at this retard, you're welcome. Even plain scans and logic couldn't prove it to him, so good luck.

Lol your the one being a fan tard claiming naruto is lightspeed. Ive been on these forums for years and have yet to see an overexaggerated claim that wanks naruto's abilities such as this one.

Nobody stated naruto used FTG in those scans so they dont prove anything. All the were describing is seeing a yellow trail of light when naruto moved. This is due to his YELLOW chakra cloak that surrounds him when in KCM mode. All you did was make a claim without actually thinking about what your actually saying. Now lets think about it again.

Lets use logic you say naruto is lightspeed right? Well it is a known fact that light can travel around the earth around 7 or 8 times per second. Now we dont know how large the Naruto verse actually is but the maps that weve seen show that naruto is on the same continent as those in the war. Now if naruto was Lightspeed dont you think he and all of the clones would have gotten to the battlefields in a much shorter time than it took them to get there? Honestly just think about it.

Another thing FTG requires kunai and seals to work. Have you seen naruto do this? NO you havent. The only people that would be able to teach him are dead so theres no way he could learn it anyway. Unless he asked those leaf ninja that helped tsunade with there version of FTG. Even then naruto would only be able to use it with two other people.

I just quoted what naruto said about what he learned from hos farher from YOUR scan.

Also you made a claim that FTG cant be used while in sage mode. Well actually your wrong the 4th used it in sage mode.

Theres your logic for you. Plain and simple.