Originally posted by abhilegend
Here is Xemnu mindraping rulk easily
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/xemnu2.jpg
Phoenix emma=weaksauce.
Sigh. Another long response rife with biased or downright wrong interpretations as well as misinformation.... Lemme see if I can address each one.
Originally posted by red sabre1) those are not only his best feats but his consistant feats without anything to contredict them therefor those ARE his debatable feats.
2) how are those the worst showings of namor if those are his only ones? how can that fight be A PIS as you claim if there are no other feats to suggest he is greater than that? think about what you said.
3) can you provide any evidence to them being more durable than superman? on the superman side we got feats of him survivng planetery blasts and supernovas, black holes, and a half galactical blast, what feats do you have for those 5? for all that i care colossus got bested by a punch from gladiator, namor got taken down for a while by rulk and thing, cyclops was matched by gladiator , emma got shattered by thor, and they all combined are nothing to the likes of wanda and the sinister girls, there is no evidence of them survivng a single heat vision from SBP who killed green lanterns and cut superman like butter with only his heat vision, of yeah and killed solomon grundy with it as well, i am not even starting to bring up his overall power output feats of destroying realities time and antimonitor armor without being harmed.
4) never said thor is a low herald show me where is said that, i just presented the facts of phoenix 5 getting trouble from low heralds AND from thor.
5) biased? i base my statement over showings and facts, you on the other hand is the one who is basing his opinions on nothing but wank and speculations for the phoenix 5 based on nothing, prime shit stomped half of DC universe comming at him at once that included people like wonder woman martial manhunter the flash superman and who not, your phoenix 5 got trouble with averege 1 vs 1 herald fight, as we saw the phoenix 5 had trouble with speed because the phoenix boost didnt add them any speed advantage prime will easily destroy the life out of them before they do anything.
6) when will you start actually proving something? all you do is say i am biased and i am wrong, the good old tactic of "when you cant debate the guy just troll him and make fun of his argument that will make it look like you actually made a point", start proving something aside of just trolling.
7) i guess you dont, you refuce to accept the facts as they are and ignore the showings, you dont know much about prime at all and the avidence to that is
8) the fact you brought him taken down by the teen titans which is a definition of PIS, after he got 98% of his showings showing him beating and killing the living crap out of top DC guys and being unbeated monster, survivng universal blasts, breaking the wall backed by the green lanters will power, breaking and altering reality and time, busting anti monitor armor without getting harmed, beating half of DC roster at the same time, but i guess all that doesnt tell you anything because like you said yourself you are new to comics, you are "debating" based on couple comic books you read up recently without knowing the other character and that is what biased is all about.
9) try to stick around a little longer to have any credibility to speak about whats biased or unbiased around here, there are fanboys and devoted fans to many characters, if that was some kind of shot at me than SBP is not superman get your facts straight, i suggest you to actually read some comics from 10 - 20 years ago and not just the recent ones, dont think you can just walk away with "i dont care" attitude when ever you are questioned about old school comics knowledge.
1) By "show "my guy's best feats" I meant when you posted this:
you really want to talk about the durability of the beings sbp hurt? lets get started, superman, sodam yat ION, busted the anti monitor armor, busted the phantom dimension, broke a wall made out of green lanters will power, tore off monarch armor while losing the guardian amp something many versions of superman failed to do combined, altered reality and altered events with his punches, i laugh at your attempt to even suggest their durability level should be somewhat of high for him ROFL get lost with that bullshit.
2) By "show "the other guy's" worst feats" I meant when you posted this:
olossus was hurt by a punch from gladiator, namor was hurt by rulk and thing, emma was shattered by thor, they are were taken out by couple sinister hoes,
3) Okay, proof of higher durability.... No-selling a behind the neck cheapshot by probably the strongest-hitting High Herald out there (Thor) gonna be enough?
Also, you need to provide evidence that SBP's heat vision can utterly destroy someone (w/o the use of overloading) that's of HH+ level as you're the one who made the assumption. Don't pass the burden of proof on me as you're the one who made assumptions.
To recap: I simply said as Emma can reform from being shattered easily, what exactly is SBP gonna do to put her down permanently? You claimed HV could destroy her utterly, then I said show instances of utterly destroying someone of HH+ durability...
So yeah, burden of proof = yours, buddy.
Nice super long TLDR tirade on things that has nothing to do with what I said, tho. Makes you look all credible and stuff (not).
4) "those phoenix 5 got a hard fight vs low level heralds, namor got a run for his money by rulk and thing, colossus got outpowered by gladiator," - so where exactly did you say Thor here?
5) Sigh. More accusations blah blah. More TLDR meaningless babble that addresses nothing that I said/mentioned. I know SBP has good feats. I think you and I agree that he's pretty badass, I like his powerset, it's how Superman should be written IMO, just hate his (SBP's) personality. Doesn't address my point, tho (how he needs to utterly destroy something of HH+ to be able to put Emma down permanently). Which is all we're debating about (pls read back a few pages).
Here you go if you've forgotten:
"She showed pretty much she could reform at will. Don't think smashing her would count as a KO. Also, phoenix/fire/star? Y'know? Don't think heat vision would really be the winning edge here. As for BFR, I don't really remember reading BFR as one of SBP's go-too tactic or ability...."
That's it. Nothing else.
Why are you debating speed when I never mentioned that? And I would agree if SBP goes for the kill with a blitz, he'll def put on the hurting. That has nothing to do with my point tho (see above). Adding new stuff to a debate is poor form, but it looks like you seem to enjoy going on meaningless tangents.
6) Because you ARE biased. Never said the word WRONG, tho. Just that you seem very determined to use whatever cheap tactic you can come up with just to try and chalk up a win for "your guy".
Also, you made the specific claims here. I simply said, "prove it". Why are you suddenly passing burden of proof to me? Ok, tell you what, lemme know w/c EXACT claims you want me to provide proof for instead of accusing me of "not providing proof" so we can get that whole thing sorted out? Ok? Good!
7) No, that's you.
8) Really? That's how you interpret a SARCASTIC comment like:
"Namor got owned by Thing/Rulk? SBP got owned by A bunch o of kids? See I can lowball, too. At leat they needed a plot device to win, Conner and pals evidently didn't need one. Wheee! Seriously, tho, is lowballing really the only thing some ppl keep doing here to make their argument seem legit (to themselves)?"
Really? I'm beginning to see why you seem so off point in debating sometimes....
9) Ad Hominem is a poor way of debating, btw.
PS. Damn, what a waste of time this is.... -_-
Originally posted by Damborgson
Who?
Punching through the same wall Prime punched through...Kal-l did that as well.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/Untitled-Scanned-34.jpg
Taking on teams...Black Adam, Despero, Doomsday, and many others. Besides team battles, I wasn't impressed at all with Prime one on one fights.
Originally posted by red sabreWith this logic, Superman Prime is wanked way too much since he was taking his best shots at Ion Sodam Yat and couldn't kill him. The guy who, even on a team of Green Lanterns, was getting beaten by Mongul Jr w/ rings.
phoenix 5 are wanked way too much, the team combined taking their best shots at gladiator and still couldnt even kill him.
With that logic, anyway. kinda
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Sigh. Another long response rife with biased or downright wrong interpretations as well as misinformation.... Lemme see if I can address each one.1) By "show "my guy's best feats" I meant when you posted this:
you really want to talk about the durability of the beings sbp hurt? lets get started, superman, sodam yat ION, busted the anti monitor armor, busted the phantom dimension, broke a wall made out of green lanters will power, tore off monarch armor while losing the guardian amp something many versions of superman failed to do combined, altered reality and altered events with his punches, i laugh at your attempt to even suggest their durability level should be somewhat of high for him ROFL get lost with that bullshit.
2) By "show "the other guy's" worst feats" I meant when you posted this:
olossus was hurt by a punch from gladiator, namor was hurt by rulk and thing, emma was shattered by thor, they are were taken out by couple sinister hoes,
3) Okay, proof of higher durability.... No-selling a behind the neck cheapshot by probably the strongest-hitting High Herald out there (Thor) gonna be enough?
Also, you need to provide evidence that SBP's heat vision can utterly destroy someone (w/o the use of overloading) that's of HH+ level as you're the one who made the assumption. Don't pass the burden of proof on me as you're the one who made assumptions.
To recap: I simply said as Emma can reform from being shattered easily, what exactly is SBP gonna do to put her down permanently? You claimed HV could destroy her utterly, then I said show instances of utterly destroying someone of HH+ durability...
So yeah, burden of proof = yours, buddy.
Nice super long TLDR tirade on things that has nothing to do with what I said, tho. Makes you look all credible and stuff (not).
4) "those phoenix 5 got a hard fight vs low level heralds, namor got a run for his money by rulk and thing, colossus got outpowered by gladiator," - so where exactly did you say Thor here?
5) Sigh. More accusations blah blah. More TLDR meaningless babble that addresses nothing that I said/mentioned. I know SBP has good feats. I think you and I agree that he's pretty badass, I like his powerset, it's how Superman should be written IMO, just hate his (SBP's) personality. Doesn't address my point, tho (how he needs to utterly destroy something of HH+ to be able to put Emma down permanently). Which is all we're debating about (pls read back a few pages).
Here you go if you've forgotten:
"She showed pretty much she could reform at will. Don't think smashing her would count as a KO. Also, phoenix/fire/star? Y'know? Don't think heat vision would really be the winning edge here. As for BFR, I don't really remember reading BFR as one of SBP's go-too tactic or ability...."
That's it. Nothing else.
Why are you debating speed when I never mentioned that? And I would agree if SBP goes for the kill with a blitz, he'll def put on the hurting. That has nothing to do with my point tho (see above). Adding new stuff to a debate is poor form, but it looks like you seem to enjoy going on meaningless tangents.
6) Because you ARE biased. Never said the word WRONG, tho. Just that you seem very determined to use whatever cheap tactic you can come up with just to try and chalk up a win for "your guy".
Also, you made the specific claims here. I simply said, "prove it". Why are you suddenly passing burden of proof to me? Ok, tell you what, lemme know w/c EXACT claims you want me to provide proof for instead of accusing me of "not providing proof" so we can get that whole thing sorted out? Ok? Good!
Really? I'm beginning to see why you seem so off point in debating sometimes....
9) Ad Hominem is a poor way of debating, btw.
PS. Damn, what a waste of time this is.... -_-
you are probably talking about yourself since i am the one bringing feats and facts while all you do is bring things you pull out of your ass.
those are his overall and majority of feats, if the majority of the time he is portrayed that way and the things i stated are not nit picked feats but his overall then i dont see how brining his standard feats can be considered "showing only his high feats".
how are those the worst showings of the phoenix 5 when this is probably among the only fights they had in the first place? colossusnaut getting overfought by a punch from gladiator cannot be a low showing for him because he doesnt have other showings to suggest otherwise in the first place, he got a showing of punching thor woohooo omg lets all cream on that, if a character has 1 or 2 showings and in one of the showings he is taken out by someone how the hell can that feat be considered a low feat is thats his only feat? are you on pills?
i knew you will bring namor taking that shot to the back of the head, first of all at this point thor is portrayed at very low levels compared to his normal self, his durability took such a downfall that foes just one shot him, its not that hard to figure out he is overall writen as weaker than his normal self and therefor taking a shot from current thor is not a big deal, second of all if namor has 2 feats one of them is getting hard pressed vs rulk and thing and the other is taking a thor show then who said the low showing is the one you dont like? i can easily go and say him taking the shot from thor is PIS because he got worked by rulk and thing, see? it works both ways and its just as relevant as your bullcrap, and even after we cover all that up taking a shot from thor is not enough to go up against prime who is busting realities and anti monitor armor for laughs.
its you who got to do the provings, i just need to show you SBP being able to cut superman with the heat vision like butter and then point out superman durability feats, he can easily survive in the core of the sun and took planetery explosions , super novas, black holes, therefor if you want to even dare to suggest SBP heat vision wont be a problem for those 5 you better bring them feats to supress supermans.
emma was easily shattered by thor's strike, do you honestly tell me to prove prime after easily shattering her with a punch wont be able to use his heat vision to vaporize her pieces? if a strike from thor can shatter her entire form into pieces how hard will it be to just vaporize the pieces with heat vision to the point nothing is left to reform from? and i already adressed the power of SBP heat vision, to question the fact he can easily vaporize her is laughable and unworthy to even consider as logical.
lets see who is the more credible guy here.
me: bringing feats and logic backed by feats and actual comics.
you: going on a wank fest and just ignore any proof and feat provided with childish excuses.
speculations? are you seriously calling facts and feats speculations? i will ask you again are you on pills? or are you just trolling at this point?
dude SBP used his heat vision to destroy planets and kill green lanterns, to even suggest he wont be able to use his heat vision to vaporize emma into the mulacular level is retarded, hell he wont even think about it and wont even try to do it he will just hit her with his heat vision and the power and heat of the heat vision will just destroy her to that point and i already backed that up by logic and feats.
wrong, if SBP will destroy her to the mulecular level and she will have nothing to reform from she is gone, where was it stated that the phoenix force gives you imunity against fire? where was it stated the heat vision is fire? superman can live in the core of the sun while SBP heat vision easily cut and hurt him, so many freakin errors do you even think before you type? so much ignorance is beyond me, your ignorance is over 9000.
i debate speed because thats one of his skills, why wont i debate speed? he fought off at the same time 3 flashes Lol, the phoenix 5 never got a speed boost therefor they have the speed of the original hosts which are ROFL the x - men soeed vs a guy who outfought 3 flashes at the same time and was too fast for superman... hmmmm i wonder its a very hard one.
biased? i am stating nothing but feats and facts, if you cant stand the heat and cant bring the feats its your problem dont go and call someone biased just because you failed against him, i dont have to use any tactics because i got feats on my side and thats all i need.
i already pointed out that namor being hard pressed vs rulk and thing cannot be a low showing because thats the only showing he has among 3 showings, 1 of them is gang banging gladiator along with the entire phoenix 5 so yeah i dont see how thats a feat at all, second one is a short fight with thor and taking his hammer shot to the back of the neck, so basically i can easily go and say that him taking that shot is PIS because rulk and think were owning him, see? thats how the things work, what feats did he ever present to even suggest he can take 1 punch from prime? prime getting taken down by the teen titans is PIS because 98% of his other showings tell us he will kill them to death, hell he took them combined with other teams, does namor have more showings then not to suggest its a PIS? nop.
basically to conclude this you got no feats no nothing for this debate aside of your butthurt and speculations which are not even based on anything logical in the first place, learn to debate properlykido.
you are right this is a waste of time because talking to you is like talking to a wall, at least a wall admits when its wrong Lol
