^ That occurs in Green Lantern Corps #36-37. Scar (the corrupted Guardian) completely blocks the Ion power from being accessed when Sodam Yat tackles Mongul solo. Which isn't the fight I'm even referring to. I was referring to Ion Sodam Yat's fight with Mongul throughout Green Lantern Corps #23-26 along with several other GLs.
You'd think if this hide-and-seek-troll would troll so obsessively, he'd get his facts straight before doing so. But, no. Apparently not.
kinda
Some people try to undermine SBP by his fight with Ion Sodam yat. Here is a weakened prime pwning Guardian of the universe Sodam+Ion power+power of entire central battery
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/lotw26.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/lotw27.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/lotw28.jpg
Originally posted by DickBlazer
The last p5 would be twice as strong as the second to last. This battle is too much for prime. Thor was constantly getting demolished by just one or two p5ers. Hell Cyclops one shotted him with one fifth the power.
it would still be nothing to prime, besides if prime will use his speed in this fight and there is no reason for him no to then it doesnt matter as he will destroy them within a second, Lol the phoenix force wont be even fast enough to past from one to another before prime oblitirates them.
Originally posted by red sabre
1) you are probably talking about yourself since i am the one bringing feats and facts while all you do is bring things you pull out of your ass.2) those are his overall and majority of feats, if the majority of the time he is portrayed that way and the things i stated are not nit picked feats but his overall then i dont see how brining his standard feats can be considered "showing only his high feats".
3) how are those the worst showings of the phoenix 5 when this is probably among the only fights they had in the first place? colossusnaut getting overfought by a punch from gladiator cannot be a low showing for him because he doesnt have other showings to suggest otherwise in the first place, he got a showing of punching thor woohooo omg lets all cream on that, if a character has 1 or 2 showings and in one of the showings he is taken out by someone how the hell can that feat be considered a low feat is thats his only feat? are you on pills?
4) i knew you will bring namor taking that shot to the back of the head, first of all at this point thor is portrayed at very low levels compared to his normal self, his durability took such a downfall that foes just one shot him, its not that hard to figure out he is overall writen as weaker than his normal self and therefor taking a shot from current thor is not a big deal, second of all if namor has 2 feats one of them is getting hard pressed vs rulk and thing and the other is taking a thor show then who said the low showing is the one you dont like? i can easily go and say him taking the shot from thor is PIS because he got worked by rulk and thing, see? it works both ways and its just as relevant as your bullcrap, and even after we cover all that up taking a shot from thor is not enough to go up against prime who is busting realities and anti monitor armor for laughs.
5) its you who got to do the provings, i just need to show you SBP being able to cut superman with the heat vision like butter and then point out superman durability feats, he can easily survive in the core of the sun and took planetery explosions , super novas, black holes, therefor if you want to even dare to suggest SBP heat vision wont be a problem for those 5 you better bring them feats to supress supermans.
6) emma was easily shattered by thor's strike, do you honestly tell me to prove prime after easily shattering her with a punch wont be able to use his heat vision to vaporize her pieces? if a strike from thor can shatter her entire form into pieces how hard will it be to just vaporize the pieces with heat vision to the point nothing is left to reform from? and i already adressed the power of SBP heat vision, to question the fact he can easily vaporize her is laughable and unworthy to even consider as logical.
7) lets see who is the more credible guy here.
me: bringing feats and logic backed by feats and actual comics.
you: going on a wank fest and just ignore any proof and feat provided with childish excuses.
speculations? are you seriously calling facts and feats speculations? i will ask you again are you on pills? or are you just trolling at this point?8) dude SBP used his heat vision to destroy planets and kill green lanterns, to even suggest he wont be able to use his heat vision to vaporize emma into the mulacular level is retarded, hell he wont even think about it and wont even try to do it he will just hit her with his heat vision and the power and heat of the heat vision will just destroy her to that point and i already backed that up by logic and feats.
9) wrong, if SBP will destroy her to the mulecular level and she will have nothing to reform from she is gone, where was it stated that the phoenix force gives you imunity against fire? where was it stated the heat vision is fire? superman can live in the core of the sun while SBP heat vision easily cut and hurt him, so many freakin errors do you even think before you type? so much ignorance is beyond me, your ignorance is over 9000.
10) i debate speed because thats one of his skills, why wont i debate speed? he fought off at the same time 3 flashes Lol, the phoenix 5 never got a speed boost therefor they have the speed of the original hosts which are ROFL the x - men soeed vs a guy who outfought 3 flashes at the same time and was too fast for superman... hmmmm i wonder its a very hard one.
11) biased? i am stating nothing but feats and facts, if you cant stand the heat and cant bring the feats its your problem dont go and call someone biased just because you failed against him, i dont have to use any tactics because i got feats on my side and thats all i need.
12) i already pointed out that namor being hard pressed vs rulk and thing cannot be a low showing because thats the only showing he has among 3 showings, 1 of them is gang banging gladiator along with the entire phoenix 5 so yeah i dont see how thats a feat at all, second one is a short fight with thor and taking his hammer shot to the back of the neck, so basically i can easily go and say that him taking that shot is PIS because rulk and think were owning him, see? thats how the things work, what feats did he ever present to even suggest he can take 1 punch from prime? prime getting taken down by the teen titans is PIS because 98% of his other showings tell us he will kill them to death, hell he took them combined with other teams, does namor have more showings then not to suggest its a PIS? nop.
13) basically to conclude this you got no feats no nothing for this debate aside of your butthurt and speculations which are not even based on anything logical in the first place, learn to debate properlykido.
14) you are right this is a waste of time because talking to you is like talking to a wall, at least a wall admits when its wrong Lol
As the wall of text of your reply exceeds the post limit here, I'm going to have to reply to you on 2 separate pages.
To all the people who feel that this is TLDR, I apologize in advance. 😛
1) Seriously? A "No U!" response? :-/ how positively witty of you. Wait, not really...
You toss around childish insults, you throw a tantrum and then go TROLOLOL like a 10 year old. I'm seriously shaking my head in front of my computer when I read your posts.
We get it. You like Superman. You want him and anyone with his name to win. We like Superman, too. Heck, he's the first comic I ever collected, the first superhero movie I ever saw (and I liked him far more than I liked Star Wars back in the day) and the character I used to dress up as for on Halloween when I was a kid... Back where I come from he's like the prime example of what a superhero is (anyone from the Philippines will tell you that). I just hate it when people like you wank him so badly and treat other posters that "question his powa!" so obnoxiously that people end up disliking the character. Hell, I'm starting to feel a slight dislike for him myself cuz of ppl like you, and this annoys me.
2) When the durability of the characters Prime has damaged with his HV you pull out these feats:
Originally posted by red sabre
on the superman side we got feats of him survivng planetery blasts and supernovas, black holes, and a half galactical blast,
You used ABC logic then did a bit of high feats cherry picking for good measure. I just called you out on it.
Like I said, cheap debating tactics.
3) You overstate SBP feats while nitpicking/undermining other's "showings". Basically, finding their worst "showing" and coming up with the worst interpretation of it.
Case in point:
Originally posted by red sabre
colossusnaut getting overfought by a punch from gladiator
You mean this?
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12643898/WOLVERINE_X-MEN-ZONE-003.jpg.html
Colossus got punched in the face, showed NO damage afterwards, but to you, that's "getting overfought". Never mind that he was shown later on wtfpwning Glads til he was almost dead (they weren't trying to kill him, btw).
Hm. Let's check SBP's "showings" when being punched shall we?
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/blackadamfail3.jpg
MM's punch "rocked" SBP just as much Glads "rocked" Colosunaut in their fight. Is that "Prime getting overfought" by MM? Not really.
Or is it just this?: People get drawn to get "rocked" by punches all the time. But unless you're explicity shown damaged by it during the issue, then any allusion to "damage" is purely speculative.
Truth? Neither got damaged/downed by it during the issue. Thus, unless you see the world is red and blue colored glasses (like some people), neither fo them got "overfought".
Would be nice if you stopped being such a hypocrite.
4) Funny how you pull personal speculative interpretations of Thor "being shown weak" simply to downplay the "showing" Namor had during the arc. More cheap debating tactics ftl. Thing and Hulk rocking him can be attributed to him not accessing the Phoenix force defensively at the time. Use of the PForce seems to require conscious thought from its users and that their defensive ability is not from their physical body but with a form of shielding w/c is indicative of showings of not just the P5 but the Dark Phoenix as well (example: when Jean allowing a moon laser beam to kill her at the end of the DP saga).
5) http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1340/xmtdps126wk7.jpg
The Phoenix force consumes stars for food, whenever a star is consumed it goes supernova with the PForce and its host smack dab at the center of it. It doesn't just tank the supernova, it bathes and revels in it. Like I said, I doubt the heat from HV will be able to vaporize any of the P5. You can disagree, and toss random high feats to try and disguise the fact that that either one of our arguments is all just conjecture either way.
6) See? This argument is logical. Pretty solid, actually. Minus the obnoxious angry teen attitude, this would be a good point. All you have to do now is provide SBP vaporizing someone with HH+ durability with his HV. Provide that, and we can perhaps move the debate forward in a more mature fashion.
7) SMH.
8) Again, I disagree that the heat would vaporize her due to the nature of the Phoenix. We can go back on topic and debate this theory, but you'll have to step back, grow up and get back on topic.
9) Heat vision uses heat and force. I'm aware of that. Force won't kill the SBP as getting pierced, cut and shattered hasn't really killed them. The only thing left is heat.
Pulling out an example of Supes "living in a sun" as a durability "showing" when we all know this amps him up and then throwing the words "error" and "thinking before you type" is really silly, btw. Facepalm silly.
10) Because I never argued against his speed. I argued against him having what it takes to put some of them down permanently due to the nature of their abilities. W/c has nothing to do with his speed. You're just going off on a tangent to try and strawman me.
11) "Failed against him"? SMH. Making up conclusions when the debate isn't over yet only shows how delusional (or dishonest) you are. And yes you are biased. I pray whole heartedly that someday you would gain the maturity to accept the truth on the matter, but I'm sure at this point of time that possibility is still a bit far off.
12) This debate features characters that have a different supply of "feats" to them (obviously).
Getting behind a character with an obvious wealth of "feats" (by comparison) then insisting that "feats" be the only criteria for determining power levels is simply a cheap debating tactic. And you know it.
From what I've read on the debates here in KMC, we can also go by implied power as well as feats when feats themselves are limited in number.
Example: Many Abstracts not having feats but are implied via writing to be far above High Heralds. Tho I'm sure you're not far off from arguing that SBP would kill Eternity via speedblitz eyebeams retcon punch powa.
The nature of the P5's powers puts them (in 1/5th the power of the PForce) to be low trans+. Low trans+ characters with the ability to multiply their powers the more of them gets taken down. Can SBP take on 5 trans+ characters? I happen to doubt it.
13) Stop lying. I pointed out "feats".
Examples:
Originally posted by Nibedicus
She showed matter manipulation enough to reassemble herself from particles, I don't think liquifying would be much of a problem at all.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Also, the P5 getting distributed evenly as they go down? Go check AvX round 8, it's there. ?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Okay, proof of higher durability.... No-selling a behind the neck cheapshot by probably the strongest-hitting High Herald out there (Thor) gonna be enough?
Lying is bad you know?
As for more lies from you, lemme point out another (w/c you never addressed):
Originally posted by red sabre
those phoenix 5 got a hard fight vs low level heralds, namor got a run for his money by rulk and thing, colossus got outpowered by gladiator
Originally posted by red sabre
i just presented the facts of phoenix 5 getting trouble from low heralds AND from thor.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
so where exactly did you say Thor here?
Stop lying and grow up.
14) And lastly:
Originally posted by red sabre
you are right this is a waste of time because talking to you is like talking to a wall, at least a wall admits when its wrong Lol
Walls talking back to you now? I fear for your mental health....
Explains a lot, tho.
Originally posted by Sundipped
I'm a Prime fan but no way he's beating the PF divided into 5.Anyone wanna provide evidence that Prime can defeat 5 trans level beings at once? With this team, each ko (assuming he gets one) makes the remaining members more potent.
This is where you have to draw the line at fanboyism.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I don't like Prime's chances against a mindraping tbh.If they just fight him physically, sure, Prime's gonna do some damage, but if they use their psionic abilities, as far as I know, Prime has next to no telepathic resistance.
Originally posted by zopzop
Meh, their best showings were against a guy that's being jobbed out left and right at Marvel. So unless they got something else up their sleeve fight wise, they are high heralds......AT BEST.Uhm, you DID see how Emma failed to affect either Thor or Red Hulk with her PF "enhanced" TP right? Abhi was nice enough to provide a scan comparing this to how Xemnu dealth with Red Hulk using telepathy. Here's a hint, he did MUCH MUCH better than PF Emma. So if the elite telepath "enhanced" by the PF can't do jacksh|t to Red Hulk TP wise (whereas Xemnu owned him), none of the P5 are doing any mindphucking on SBP (Kryptonian mind and all that jazz).
Thor has pretty damn good mental willpower feats, actually. I'd wager he'd win a contest against Prime on that front, as well. 😬
Emma was also recalling Loebforce Rulk feats and didn't want to deal with that sort of shit, so there's that.
Prime doesn't get a freebie pass on mental willpower feats or telepathic resistance just because of who he is.
Originally posted by zopzop
Meh, their best showings were against a guy that's being jobbed out left and right at Marvel. So unless they got something else up their sleeve fight wise, they are high heralds......AT BEST.
Ok so no evidence.
As if Thor is supposed to fare any better than what he did vs a cosmic entity. All showings considered. 😂
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor has pretty damn good mental willpower feats, actually. I'd wager he'd win a contest against Prime on that front, as well. 😬Emma was also recalling Loebforce Rulk feats and didn't want to deal with that sort of shit, so there's that.
Prime doesn't get a freebie pass on mental willpower feats or telepathic resistance just because of who he is.
Originally posted by zopzop
Still doesn't change the fact that Xemnu > P5 Emma tp wise and I seriously don't see Xemnu doing jackcrap vs SBP tp wise.
Why, though?
Your entire argument is based around Thor and Rulk resisting P5 Emma so iyo, Prime must be able to as well. Thor has a consistent history of resisting such methods of attacks for one thing. Rulk scaring Emma with memories of the Loebforce isn't anything to sneer at, either.
Basically, you don't see Prime being effected by TP from the P5 because...well, just because. Unless you're citing some feats from Prime.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Why, though?Your entire argument is based around Thor and Rulk resisting P5 Emma so iyo, Prime must be able to as well. Thor has a consistent history of resisting such methods of attacks for one thing. Rulk scaring Emma with memories of the Loebforce isn't anything to sneer at, either.
Basically, you don't see Prime being effected by TP from the P5 because...well, just because. Unless you're citing some feats from Prime.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Oversimplification much? Ross directly no sold a command from emma to not change in rulk. That's a piss poor showing, no matter how much you try to wave it away saying it was due to loebforce. A kryptonian mind has always thrown telepaths for loop not to mention such a demented mind of prime. Thor has also been mindcontrolled numerous times and has a sketchy record against telepaths at best. Rulk has no telepathic resistance according to xemnu.
😐
How exactly am I oversimplifying anything?
All I'm asking for is a reason why Prime would no sell telepathy from the Phoenix Five outside of the popular answer "he's Prime". As far as the Loebforce goes, considering that's exactly what she recalled that freaked her out, I'm going out on a limb and assume that it's a redeeming showing for Rulk considering his run of being beat up by everyone since he's stop using the Loebforce.
Kryptonian mind =/= Prime's mind. Even if Prime is more powerful overall than your average Kryptonian, we know for a fact that Prime has had his mind read before and that he's mentally unstable.
Concerning Thor, if you want to look at actual feats, I'm betting I can come up with more instances of Thor resisting mind control and telepathy than you can show me him being mindraped. So not sure where you get his record is "sketchy at best" at all, because, really it's not.
So unless Prime has any decent feats of resisting mind control and/or telepathy of any kind, it's ridiculous to assume that he can resist it as well or better than people who actually have feats doing it.
