They're all from the video game series Ace Attorney. When I want a gif I just google image search the character. So for Dahlia Hawthorne its 'Dahlia Hawthorne gifs' and presto:
The animations for the games just get better as the series goes on. I really can't recommend the series enough. Sadly I don't own a DS so I can't play the later games, but I've watched all the games that have an english translation played through in Lets Plays on youtube. This guy has played through all of them. At the start he's not got great quality, but he improves. The games are more or less visual novels, so it's no real loss.
He had to create a lightside-variation of Force lightning in order to do that, and it was the only Force power that actually worked on the Vong.
Going down doesn't mean dead. Otherwise I would have killed Nemebro like 5 times last night. 😖hifty:It means he subdued them with TK as they were knoked unconscious. Same he would do to Jacen, if he could.
Eh, they're just bugs. Plus thats the exception rather than the rule.And it still proves you wrong as other examples I gave.
Raynor was going to continue the fight. Using the Force to subdue him was the only way to stop him non-lethally.
It can be countered, not it will be countered. Luke already used the Force to easily subdue Jacen even while Jacen was trying to counter him. If the Force is that easy to counter, how did he do that?
This undeniably proves that Luke could have overpowered Jacen if he was so inclined. Truculent is right, Luke held back because he didn't want Ben seeing his "Master" killed.
Luke closed to within two meters without saying a word. What point would there have been? Jacen wasn't going to surrender, and Luke wouldn't have believed him if he offered. It was better to attack quickly, while he still had the advantage. He brought his lightsaber up to strike.
" - Whatever Truculent said, you are both wrong. Luke didn't care about Ben and was determined to finish him. Luke did NOT hold back on Jacen in any way. Jacen is nearly as strong all-out combatant as Luke and despite Luke's sneak attack he inflicted on him equal amount of damage. Your idea of Luke getting battered and crippled and still holding back is retarded.Well that's bullshit because the TK isn't doing any damage to Luke, all its doing is throwing him backwards. Its the wall that would have killed him.In Drew's books TK impact shatters all bones and even 6 year old girl viporize hands. Why it didn't happen?
Haha, wrong. Jacen was flummoxed that she could even get near him. Why do you think that is? What methods does Jacen have to insure that Mara can't get near him. TK. Jacen was just surprised that he'd been hurt enough that Mara could get close to him without him reacting and pushing her back with TK.Which only proves that he was slow to react to her attack. But it doesn't prove his TK was weaker. Also, she could simply be faster than he thought. Concern for Ben was driving her beyond limits, hence, making her more powerful than usually.
He was surprised because he should have been able to overpower her. Jacen knows what Mara can do, he's trained around her and known her his entire life. Hell, I think he even fought her in Betrayal. That he's surprised by her only says that he was suffering.
No they can't. That's never happened.
Bane after blasting Kaz'im:
"Exhausted by the long lightsaber battle and drained by the sudden unleashing of the Force, he simply lay there until he was covered in a layer of fine white powder" -Isn't it rediculous? Marek moved destroyer and still stood on his legs.
It does that in other texts as well.Which come not from Lucas either but other authors with their
Other authors at least make the most powerful villains to be something else like insane Jedi or Abeloth, so not to question Palpatine's status but Drew took things beyond any limits.
In Kotor we have immortal Darth Sion who couldn't even be killed by lightsaber. Then we have Traya that apprenticed him and she wasn't even born, when he was already actively participating in Exar Kun's war. She even aprenticed him second time later on. Serioisly what on earth did he need to learn from her??? Then we have Nihilus who stripped her off the Force, reaped star ship out of mass shadows as well as holded it together and consumed planets. Then we have Meetra that somehow kills all of them. Then she gets casually defeated by Nyriss and she can't even block her lightning with lightsaber. Then Revan casually defeats Nyriss and later after that Meetra's embarrasing performance he says: "I always knew you had great potential, but you have become far greater than I could ever have imagined".wallbash Then Vitiate casually defeats Revan. Then JK defeats Vitiate. And still fans anticipate even more impressive stuff. Seriously, how many power levels in Drew's universe? It is on verge between stupid and idiotic. And you try to take those feats for granted and apply Drew's logic on all other canon.
I'm ptretty sure that never happened either. Bane wasn't as spry as he used to be maybe, but he still compensated and kicked major ass. If anything he was stronger. None of what you said were contradictions. None of it is invalid.
Despite the fact that in Path of Destruction it's an advanced Sith Technique that requires multiple training sessions to learn
Yoda didn't try to absorb Sidious' lightning...Sidious knocked him out of that window with TK...
For that matter, where did you get the idea that being purple makes the lightning more intense? Besides which, I think Lucas changed Sidious' lightning to blue in the latest edition.
Or Windu just roots himself in one placelig until he dies. In any case here is prove for both that Palpatine didn't hold back and that it was lightning that sent Windu flying:
"and lightning speared from the Sith Lord's hands and without his blade to catch it, the power of Palpatine's hate struck him full-on.
...
Dark lightning blasted away his universe. He fell forever"
Palpatine's lightning in 2004 blu-ray is as purpole as it was. True, color not necessarily signifies intencity. I got that impression because Son has the most purpolish one. In novel Palpatine did hold back on Luke at first but then he made it stronger and then even stronger again. So whether he gave full power by the end or not wholly depends on our assumptions. But because his lightning didn't do anything significant in DE to Luke, I am inclined to think that he had good resistance long before that.
No it doesn't, where the hell are you getting that from?
Lol, Kit Fisto is still a powerful Jedi Council Member you loon...[/i]
You don't get it. No matter how powerful they are, they don't bring any difference into the fight. Sidious and Windu fought equally but presence of other 3 Jedi didn't make any difference whatsoever. Same with Vitiate's case.[quote]Very well, conceeded. However, that is not the only way to shield your thoughts, so it hardly matters. Mara herself used a method that didn't require that.
Also WRONG, the human bone is in fact 5 times harder than steel.
So to sum up: Mara only blocked C'baoth's lightning when he was splitting his attention between lightning and TK...
The Hidden One tossed his head. It was not just a gesture of anger; Luke felt the motion as a ripple in the Force. The air in the chamber responded, a wind springing up and roaring around the walls of the chamber, gaining speed and strength. It tattered the robes of the Kel Dors near the walls as it went. It veered from the wall over the throne and howled down at Luke, engulfing him, trying to drive him backward Luke gritted his teeth and rooted himself. Then, against the might of both wind and lightning, he took another step forward.
The Hidden One's eyes widened. His head rolled around on his shoulders, and the roar of air across Luke intensified. It tore at his robes, causing them to stand out from his body, shudder, and snap in the wind.
The Hidden One's face, flushed fully red, was contorted in a mask of anger. He flicked his fingers and the lightning ceased.
" - As you see combined lightning with TK makes it only harder to counter, that's why Luke could block C'baoth's but couldn't, when combined with TK.Originally posted by Arhael
And what difference it makes? You just said something for the sake of saying something. And it is dark side power as it kills. In any case it is not the only power that kills Vong. Force lightning and Force net kills them as well. Even Rysode's TK worked on them on reduced scale.
I was referring to Emerald Lightning. Aren't you referring to the time when Luke sent green sparks coruscating over the body of a Slayer, instantly killing him and causing his body to convulse?
Either way, lightning was the only Force Power that properly worked on them. And according to Wookiepedia Luke used it to save Jacen and Jaina from Slayers. Its probable that he only did it because he couldn't get there in time and needed to use the Force. And as Force Lightning is the only thing that works on Vong....
Originally posted by Arhael
It means he subdued them with TK as they were knoked unconscious. Same he would do to Jacen, if he could.
Originally posted by Arhael
It proves that if Luke holds back and doesn't want to kill, he subdues with TK. It proves that Luke didn't subdue Jacen in fight because he couldn't.
Despite the fact that Luke has already easily subdued him previously?
Originally posted by Arhael
He got caught off guard by his own admission.
Which doesn't explain why he couldn't break Luke's hold on him despite attempting to stand up multiple times. By Jacen's own words: 'The irony of the statement was far from lost on Caedus, but he was too astonished-and too frightened-to take any pleasure in it. While it was true that Luke had taken him by surprise, it was equally true that he had done so with no visible effort-and that he was continuing to hold him with no apparent exertion.'
Originally posted by Arhael
But look at his thinking right after Luke stopped pinning him:
"Luke's hand brushed the hilt of his lightsaber, and Caedus thought for a moment that the fight he had been anticipating since Mara's death-anticipating, dreading, and wanting-was finally going to come. He stepped away from the observation bubble, giving himself some maneuvering room in case Luke came at him in a tumbling pass." - Doesn't look like he was bothered by the fact that Luke just pinned him. He still beleived he could win all-out Luke and he definately had both skills and power for that.
Recall that Jacen was insane.
Originally posted by Arhael
Same way Luke pinned Gavar Kai before fight could start, when Gavar's attention was on Ben. But after fight started and Gavar got freed, Luke couldn't do the same to him again.
Couldn't or didn't? Theres a very big difference. We can't just assume that because someone doesn't do something that they can't do it.
Originally posted by Arhael
"If Luke [b]wanted to finish this-and it seemed like a good idea, given how battered he was himself-he had only a few seconds.Luke closed to within two meters without saying a word. What point would there have been? Jacen wasn't going to surrender, and Luke wouldn't have believed him if he offered. It was better to attack quickly, while he still had the advantage. He brought his lightsaber up to strike." - Whatever Truculent said, you are both wrong. Luke didn't care about Ben and was determined to finish him. Luke did NOT hold back on Jacen in any way. Jacen is nearly as strong all-out combatant as Luke and despite Luke's sneak attack he inflicted on him equal amount of damage. Your idea of Luke getting battered and crippled and still holding back is retarded. [/b]
Good point! However, simply because Luke was resigned to killing Jacen in the end doesn't mean that he wanted to do it or that he was going to kill him with TK. Remember that Luke had already subdued Jacen with the Force when he surprised him last time, and in that fight too Luke surprised Jacen as well. If Luke had attacked him with the Force rather than leap at him he could have beaten him pretty ****ing easily. Afterall if Luke can push Jacen several meters backwards and into his chair before Jacen can react then surely he can snap his neck before he can react as well.
Let me introduce you to the wonderful world of PIS, Plot Induced Stupidity. Luke could have beaten Jacen easily, even if they actually were close in terms of combat, which I think is bullshit, but didn't because that would have spoiled the plot. Your point is meaningless because Luke didn't defeat Jacen with the Force not because he couldn't, as I've shown you he easily could have, but because the writer didn't want him to.
Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity.
Originally posted by Arhael
In Drew's books TK impact shatters all bones and even 6 year old girl viporize hands. Why it didn't happen?
I guess Raynar just wasn't as powerful as an untrained 6 year old girl.
..... Or Raynar just wasn't trying to kill him.
Originally posted by Arhael
Which only proves that he was slow to react to her attack. But it doesn't prove his TK was weaker. Also, she could simply be faster than he thought. Concern for Ben was driving her beyond limits, hence, making her more powerful than usually.
No, but the other evidence I've provided does. And lol, you can't become more powerful than usual just by wanting to be.
Originally posted by Arhael
Or he simply didn't expect her to be THAT strong. He never fought all-out Mara. She never displayed any arcane abilities or impressive TK at front of him. He simply badly underestimated her.
Which is ridiculous because as I've said he should know precisely how strong she is. And don't be ridiculous, Jacen has know Mara throughout his entire life. If nothing else he would have seen her training at the Jedi Temple.
Basically her resisting him is null and void because Jacen was too badly hurt for use to say that his abilities weren't affected. You'll never be able to prove that she resisted him because she's just that strong because of the circumstances of the fight were such that Jacen was likely nowhere near his usual powers making it impossible to accurately judge how impressive resisting him actually was.
Originally posted by Arhael
"The whole thing had taken only a few seconds.
...
The blast of lightning had taken everything the old man had in reserve" - Sith that Scourge assasinated got exhausted after few seconds of lightning. That's the most ridiculous thing I ever read.
You need to read some more things.
It explained why he was so weak. Age had crippled him. Not everyone is Yoda.
Originally posted by Arhael
Bane after blasting Kaz'im:
"Exhausted by the long lightsaber battle and drained by the sudden unleashing of the Force, he simply lay there until he was covered in a layer of fine white powder" -Isn't it rediculous? Marek moved destroyer and still stood on his legs.
Not at all. Bane had just fought an exhausting lightsaber fight and blown up an entire temple. Not everyone is mother****ing Galen Marek and can keep going for stupidly long periods of time.
Originally posted by Arhael
Which come not from Lucas either but other authors with their
own portrayal of the Force.
So now you want to invalidate all portrayals of the Force that aren't 'in line' with Lucas'? GTFOutta here!
Originally posted by Arhael
In fact Drew portrayed his characters as by far the strongest in mythos, more than anyone else. Vitiate outshines Palpatine in everything.
Not in lightsabers.
Originally posted by Arhael
Sidious in most cases can't rely on Force alone and has to use lightsaber. Thanks to a few other authors that made TFU and DE, where Sidious is able to mind dominate, overpower someone who could move star destroyers, use essence transfer and summon Force Storm (which couldn't even be utilized in combat). If Lucas canon did not state him being the most powerful, people whould laugh out loud on hearing he is more powerful than Vitiate.
No they wouldn't. Sidious has plenty that give him the goods to back up his claims.
Originally posted by Arhael
And you bypass this canon by saying "Sidious isn't the be-all end-all of every technique" and then safely lowball Palpatine's lightning and Yoda's absorb.
I'm not bypassing jack shit. You've been the one lowballing Sidious' lightning and suggesting that its not as powerful as Nyriss'. I've been providing arguments for why thats not the case. You've just been trying to put words in my mouth by saying that my thinking that Nyriss' lightning is powerful somehow contradicts Sidious' lightning being powerful. Let me say this clearly: It's ****ing retarded.
Originally posted by Arhael
But his lightning is stronger than Vitate's for simple reason that in films it is the only power that makes him trully stand out.
Well that's certainly some compelling 'proof' right there.
Originally posted by Arhael
Other authors at least make the most powerful villains to be something else like insane Jedi or Abeloth, so not to question Palpatine's status but Drew took things beyond any limits.
In Kotor we have immortal Darth Sion who couldn't even be killed by lightsaber. Then we have Traya that apprenticed him and she wasn't even born, when he was already actively participating in Exar Kun's war. She even aprenticed him second time later on. Serioisly what on earth did he need to learn from her??? Then we have Nihilus who stripped her off the Force, reaped star ship out of mass shadows as well as holded it together and consumed planets. Then we have Meetra that somehow kills all of them. Then she gets casually defeated by Nyriss and she can't even block her lightning with lightsaber. Then Revan casually defeats Nyriss and later after that Meetra's embarrasing performance he says: "I always knew you had great potential, but you have become far greater than I could ever have imagined".wallbash Then Vitiate casually defeats Revan. Then JK defeats Vitiate. And still fans anticipate even more impressive stuff. Seriously, how many power levels in Drew's universe? It is on verge between stupid and idiotic. And you try to take those feats for granted and apply Drew's logic on all other canon.
You're using ABC logic that doesn't work. Meetra only beat Nihilus because she was a Force Wound, not because she was actually that powerful. Thus this list breaks down.
Originally posted by Arhael
"All the pieces clicked into place. Nyriss was right: Xedrix was a shell of what he had once been." - The concept that Force reserves of a practicing Sith became ridiculously low because of old age is as idiotic as it could be.
Meh, its better than the talking mountain on Endor.
Originally posted by Arhael
True, they need to learn to throw lightning. Now, please, prove that after they learned to throw lightning, they need to master it.
Beg pardon? As it is with all techniques, merely possessing it does not mean mastery. Just because I can draw doesn't make me a master artist. That's why there's a difference between a Jedi Master and Jedi Knight.
In the case of Force Lightning there are those who show clearly greater skill with the technique than others. They are the ones we can call the 'Masters' of the technique, because they can use it to its highest degree.
Originally posted by Arhael
So, Yoda put his hands at front of him to signify non-violence or it's just some sort of ninja move to show how cool he is? Ausome!
His hands were already in front of him. He just lifted them slightly in shock.
Originally posted by Arhael
Or Windu just roots himself in one placelig until he dies. In any case here is prove for both that Palpatine didn't hold back and that it was lightning that sent Windu flying:
"and lightning speared from the Sith Lord's hands and without his blade to catch it, the power of Palpatine's hate struck him full-on.
...
Dark lightning blasted away his universe. He fell forever"
Windu roots himself in place while being electrocuted? Riiiiiiight. I'm going to put that in the 'Maybe' pile.
The text contradicts the movie and is thus overwritten. Besides, thats from Windu's perspective and he wasn't exactly in the position to accurately judge exactly what Sidious was doing to him, on account of being barbecued at the time.
Originally posted by Arhael
Out of curiosity I checked Luke's visit of Dromund Kaas. Nexus was "Extremely powerful". But difference is still minimal.
Minimal to whom?
Originally posted by Arhael
Also, Dark side nexuses did not empower in a way neutral ones did.
What the ****? Yes they do.
Originally posted by Arhael
If they did, do you agree that Mara is far more powerful than Katarn?
No, why the hell would I?
Originally posted by Arhael
Dooku still couldn't win Yoda, he only showed slightly better performance and ran away.
He was empowered you lunatic.
Originally posted by Arhael
Also, Jedi Valley did not make sensitive out of non-sensitive. There were crystals that imbued by nexus could be used by non-sensitives to draw on the Force.
In the game Jedi Academy, the Sith used the Jedi Valley to empower an army.
Originally posted by Arhael
And Mara has three ways to resist it. Barrier learned by Palpatine, cold analysis and stream of emotions - awarwness of Ben. She was resisting mind domination as good as Luke, which means that like Luke she is immune.
Immune? She's immune to mind domination? Bull. ****ing. Shit. Just because she can resist it doesn't mean she can successfully resist it.
Originally posted by Arhael
Wrong thread to lowball terminator.
Yes, it is stronger but as "per weight". Metal is much heavier because its molecules are much closer to each other. Metal with equal size is MUCH stronger than bone. Thin catwalk is designed to withstand FAR bigger weight than body. If you hit it with hammer, it will not break like bone, there will only be slight depression in the place of impact. Moreover, metal in general requires far greater temputers to be melted than bone. 🤓
Yes, metal is generally stronger because of the thickness of it and because bones are hollow. However, we're talking about a thin catwalk here. If you made the same catwalk out of solid bone it would hold even more weight than the metal would. And we're not discussing ****ing weight distribution here. We're talking about one man splitting a catwalk and another man disintegrating a human body. Weight has nothing to do with it.
And google disagrees with you on the melting point of bone. Bones do not melt. The term melting is strictly used in Science to represent a change of state from a sold to a liquid state, which isn't possible to do to bones because of what they're composed of. In crematoriums they're usually unable to destroy the bones so they need to take them out of the incinerator and grind them especially.
Originally posted by Arhael
"Luke had his lightsaber activated and up in time. The lightning crackled against his glowing blade. The strength behind the attack, of the Hidden One's energy and anger, took Luke off his feet and threw him backward. He slammed into a pillar, feeling jolts of pain in his spine and the back of his head But the lightning did not reach him. His blade kept it at bay. And, bracing himself with the Force, Luke took a step forward.The Hidden One tossed his head. It was not just a gesture of anger; Luke felt the motion as a ripple in the Force. The air in the chamber responded, a wind springing up and roaring around the walls of the chamber, gaining speed and strength. It tattered the robes of the Kel Dors near the walls as it went. It veered from the wall over the throne and howled down at Luke, engulfing him, trying to drive him backward Luke gritted his teeth and rooted himself. [b]Then, against the might of both wind and lightning, he took another step forward
.The Hidden One's eyes widened. His head rolled around on his shoulders, and the roar of air across Luke intensified. It tore at his robes, causing them to stand out from his body, shudder, and snap in the wind.
The Hidden One's face, flushed fully red, was contorted in a mask of anger. He flicked his fingers and the lightning ceased." - As you see combined lightning with TK makes it only harder to counter, that's why Luke could block C'baoth's but couldn't, when combined with TK. [/b]
That's what you got from that? Luke resists it anyway. It doesn't show him struggling more against the wind and the lightning than it does against just the lightning. What the hell are you smoking?
Originally posted by Arhael
Also, I take my words back about C'baoth stopping his lightning, when focusing fully on Mara. He didn't wave hands to summon stones, Mara didn't use her second hand to block stones with lightsaber and didn't try to dodge them, which is easier option. Therefore, she was still blocking his lightning with one hand.
I have no idea what you're talking about, but I assume its stupid anyway.
I was referring to Emerald Lightning.
Despite the fact that Luke has already easily subdued him previously?
Which doesn't explain why he couldn't break Luke's hold on him despite attempting to stand up multiple times.
Couldn't or didn't? Theres a very big difference. We can't just assume that because someone doesn't do something that they can't do it.
Good point! However, simply because Luke was resigned to killing Jacen in the end doesn't mean that he wanted to do it"
Luke raised his lightsaber, slashing through the thorn bed as he sprang. Jacen scrambled to his feet, barely bringing his weapon up in time to block a vicious downstroke. Luke landed a snap-kick to the stomach that lifted Jacen a meter off the deck, then followed it with a slash to the neck-
-which Jacen ducked
"Afterall if Luke can push Jacen several meters backwards and into his chair before Jacen can react then surely he can snap his neck before he can react as well.By your logic we need to consider all Jedi holding back. Also, Luke's superior TK doesn't prove he could snap his neck. Jacen's TK is superior to Jaina's, yet, when he tried to snap her neck, she rotated along with it and kicked him.
Plot Induced Stupidity. Luke could have beaten Jacen easily
if they actually were close in terms of combat.They are VERY close in terms of combat:
-which Jacen ducked. He came up under Luke's guard, holding his weapon with one hand and driving a Force-enhanced punch into Luke's ribs with the other, striking for the same place he had kicked earlier. Luke's chest exploded into pain, and he found himself croaking instead of breathing Luke struck again with his lightsaber, using both hands and putting all his strength into the attack, beating his nephew's guard down so far that Jacen's emerald blade bit into his own shoulder. Jacen kicked at Luke's legs, catching the side of a knee. Something popped and Luke felt himself going down.
" - Being able to penetrate Luke's defences with kicks and punches on several occasions and crippling his leg is nothing short of impressive.I guess Raynar just wasn't as powerful as an untrained 6 year old girl.Or you keep ignoring the fact that those characters are written by different authors that have completly different understanding of what the Force can and cannot do...... Or Raynar just wasn't trying to kill him.
No, but the other evidence I've provided does.ALL evidence you provided shows that he felt pain and NO evidence shows that his TK was weaker than usually.
And lol, you can't become more powerful than usual just by wanting to be.
Which is ridiculous because as I've said he should know precisely how strong she is. And don't be ridiculous, Jacen has know Mara throughout his entire life. If nothing else he would have seen her training at the Jedi Temple.
Basically her resisting him is null and void because Jacen was too badly hurt for use to say that his abilities weren't affected. You'll never be able to prove that she resisted him because she's just that strong because of the circumstances of the fight were such that Jacen was likely nowhere near his usual powers making it impossible to accurately judge how impressive resisting him actually was.
Age had crippled him. Not everyone is Yoda.
Not at all. Bane had just fought an exhausting lightsaber fight and blown up an entire temple. Not everyone is mother****ing Galen Marek and can keep going for stupidly long periods of time.
So now you want to invalidate all portrayals of the Force that aren't 'in line' with Lucas'? GTFOutta here!
Sidious has plenty that give him the goods to back up his claims.
I'm not bypassing jack shit. You've been the one lowballing Sidious' lightning and suggesting that its not as powerful as Nyriss'. I've been providing arguments for why thats not the case.
You're using ABC logic that doesn't work. Meetra only beat Nihilus because she was a Force Wound, not because she was actually that powerful. Thus this list breaks down.
Beg pardon? As it is with all techniques, merely possessing it does not mean mastery. Just because I can draw doesn't make me a master artist. That's why there's a difference between a Jedi Master and Jedi Knight.In the case of Force Lightning there are those who show clearly greater skill with the technique than others. They are the ones we can call the 'Masters' of the technique, because they can use it to its highest degree.
As you see ones Force users learn a technique, its strength utterly depends on their power.
So Sidious and Vitiate had strongest lightning not because they mastered it but because they had far greater power than others.
His hands were already in front of him. He just lifted them slightly in shock.
The text contradicts the movie and is thus overwritten.
In any case Lightning gives impact. It knocked backward Anakin in II and Yoda in III.
Your assumption is unsupported entirely.
What the ****? Yes they do.No, why the hell would I?
He was empowered you lunatic.
In the game Jedi Academy, the Sith used the Jedi Valley to empower an army.That army was Force sensitive. Valley gave them fast way to reach full potential. Same did Kyle, so instead of months it took him days to fully restore connection.
Immune? She's immune to mind domination? Bull. ****ing. Shit. Just because she can resist it doesn't mean she can successfully resist it.Nyax's mental power is far beyond your Vitiate. He briefly mind dominated even prime Luke, who broke free from Palpatine's domination. And Mara showed equally strong resistance in that struggle. So I say she IS immune to domination of Vitiate level.
Yes, metal is generally stronger because of the thickness of it and because bones are hollow. However, we're talking about a thin catwalk here.Thin catwalk with solid and thick metal on sides along the catwalk.
And google disagrees with you on the melting point of bone. Bones do not melt. The term melting is strictly used in Science to represent a change of state from a sold to a liquid state, which isn't possible to do to bones because of what they're composed of. In crematoriums they're usually unable to destroy the bones so they need to take them out of the incinerator and grind them especially.
Luke resists it anyway. It doesn't show him struggling more against the wind and the lightning than it does against just the lightning. What the hell are you smoking?Me smoking?
Originally posted by Arhael
Yes. And I consider it darkside power.
And you are right, he did it to save Jacen.
Foolish fool spouting foolishly foolish things, as I expected from a foolish fool such as you. It's a lightside variation of Force Lightning, as was discovered by Plo Koon shortly before he froze his 6th creek that week. Like a fool.
Originally posted by Arhael
Yes, despite that fact.
"He slammed into the far wall of the grotto and remained there, pinned in place by the invisible hand of the Force.
“Days ago, Gavar, you might have had a chance to succeed...
...
Ben was vaguely aware of his own father diving toward the far side of the cavern, and the delicate clinkle
of Gavar Khai’s shikkar shattering on the stone floor behind him." - as you see while Luke holded Gavar pinned, he still could use TK and even as embarassing parody of Sith as Gavar Khai could break from Luke's grip. Same way Marek was Force choked but was able to Force blast Vader. I gave you many examples of how they counter TK. Even Force choke can be countered and it is much worse than Force pinning.
That's funny I have it on good authority from the Magnificent Gideon that Gavar is pretty ****ing powerful. As I recall the man was able to resist Abeloth at one point like a boss, so him resisting Luke is hardly a shitty feat for Luke.
Originally posted by Arhael
Explanation is rather easy. First, it wasn't fight. Second, he was scared. Third, as you pointed out he tried to stand up but he didn't try to use TK to attack Luke. He wouldn't dare to provoke fight by Force blasting Luke or throwing object at him. Jacen is not an idiot to attack Luke and turn against him entire Order in doing so.
What a foolish thing to say, you fool. First, Jacen has goddamn precognition (the ability to see the future) that should have allowed him to foresee Lukes attack unless Luke blocked it. Secondly, he wasn't scared until after Luke had already pwned him. Thirdly the point is that Luke had beaten him and pinned him to a chair and was continuing to hold him down without any effort whatsoever. Furthermore, the fact that Jacen did try to stand up shows that he would have tried to throw off the hold at one point.
Originally posted by Arhael
I agree, Luke could try it on Jacen again but he is not stupid because Jacen would find a way to counter it. When Jacen was entangled by vines, he toppled a fixture on Luke, same he could do, if Luke pinned him. As I proved above Force pinning doesn't subue Force powers and at that point Jacen didn't want to iniciate fight.
A foolish claim from a foolish fool such as you. It begs for proof that Jacen could counter Luke's TK, as he has never been able to do so. As I recall at one point Luke begins to dismantle Jacen's StealthX with the Force while Jacen is inside it, while flying himself, with Jacen unable to stop it, after Luke had already made Jacen look like a moron with illusions. Luke kicks Jacen's ass with the Force so many times and so easily in that series it becomes funny.
Futhermore, I Luke could have just killed him, he didn't need to subdue him.
Originally posted by Arhael
Wrong, he wanted to kill him from the beginning:
"Bad mistake.Luke raised his lightsaber, slashing through the thorn bed as he sprang. Jacen scrambled to his feet, [b]barely bringing his weapon up in time to block a vicious downstroke
. Luke landed a snap-kick to the stomach that lifted Jacen a meter off the deck, then followed it with a slash to the neck--which Jacen ducked"[/b]
That isn't the beginning of the fight, you fool.
Furthermore as I pointed out Luke had the opportunity to pwn Jacen with the Force and he didn't do it.
Originally posted by Arhael
By your logic we need to consider all Jedi holding back. Also, Luke's superior TK doesn't prove he could snap his neck. Jacen's TK is superior to Jaina's, yet, when he tried to snap her neck, she rotated along with it and kicked him.
Well it is a part of the Jedi Code that was introduced in 32 BBY that:
Jedi are the guardians of peace in the galaxy.
Jedi use their powers to defend and protect, never to attack others.
Jedi respect all life, in any form.
Jedi serve others, rather than rule over them, for the good of the galaxy.
Jedi seek to improve themselves through knowledge and training.
So it isn't as foolish as you may think, foolish as you are. And Jaina was able to do that because she was close enough to do it and because she knew he was using the Force on her. Luke completely had the drop on Jacen and could have broken his neck before he could react easily.
Originally posted by Arhael
Can't prove your assumption, start blaming author. Ausome! 👆
Originally posted by Arhael
They are VERY close in terms of combat:
"Luke landed a snap-kick to the stomach that lifted Jacen a meter off the deck, then followed it with a slash to the neck--which Jacen ducked. [b]He came up under Luke's guard, holding his weapon with one hand and driving a Force-enhanced punch into Luke's ribs with the other, striking for the same place he had kicked earlier.
Luke's chest exploded into pain, and he found himself croaking instead of breathing Luke struck again with his lightsaber, using both hands and putting all his strength into the attack, beating his nephew's guard down so far that Jacen's emerald blade bit into his own shoulder. Jacen kicked at Luke's legs, catching the side of a knee. Something popped and Luke felt himself going down." - Being able to penetrate Luke's defences with kicks and punches on several occasions and crippling his leg is nothing short of impressive.[/b]
Nah.
Originally posted by Arhael
Or you keep ignoring the fact that those characters are written by different authors that have completly different understanding of what the Force can and cannot do.
I recognise that there will be certain differences between authors. But if you think that I'm going to let you try to handwave away feats by claiming that its just artistic differences you have another ****ing thing coming fool.
Originally posted by Arhael
ALL evidence you provided shows that he felt pain and NO evidence shows that his TK was weaker than usually.
Other than the fact that he couldn't even overpower Mara Jade.
You still haven't established why that would be an impressive feat btw. You utterly failed to show me Jacen do anything impressive with TK thet would make me think that Mara resisting him makes it conceivable that she could resist Vitiate.
Originally posted by Arhael
Wrong, with right circumstances they can. Mara at that point was driven by concern for Ben. When Luke was driven by concern for Ben, he outwrestled Abeloth twice.
When Anakin was driven by concern for Kenobi and Ashoka, he subdued both Son and Daughter simultabiously, yet, couldn't do a thing to Son later.
Anakin subdued them because he drew on the power of Mortis, which was the center of the Force or something. he can't reach that level simply out of concern. He's saved those he loves multiple times without going Super Saiyan on everythings asses.
Originally posted by Arhael
Windu considered strike team his equals, even was sparring with Agen Kolar equally in Jedi Temple. Jacen never fought all out with Mara and she NEVER fought a single Sith in his presence to evaluate even relatively how strong she can be.
Jacen together with Lumya assumed that he is more powerful than even Luke, so nothing surpicing of him to underestimate Mara.
Say whatever you want, Jacen should be able to know how powerful someone is who he's known for his entire life.
When did Jacen think he was superior to Luke? I don't recall that ever happening. I think you just made that up.