Originally posted by Q99
It's not rare that he varies them up some, but superspeeding while heatvisioning while throwing someone into the sun?C'mon, that's the kind of thing people use as an example of "CIS off bloodlusted" around here!
And a lot of the time, he breaks out the power combo only once the going gets tough, not as an opener.
He was more savage than usual, granted, but he's used his powers in combinations like that on many occasions.
I'm not saying it's a low showing power wise. It's not. He's using his strength, speed and heat vision at levels he wouldn't use on the villain of the week.
For me, though, it IS a low showing in terms of tactical thinking and general mental skill. My problem is with the belief that this is anything even remotely similar to how he operates normally in a mental capacity. Superman has, for years now, been a thinking man's brawler. Yes, he'll slug it out, but even then a fight is like a chess match to him. He's always thnking about where his punch will send someone, or, when fighting teams, how he can use his enemy's skills against one another.
Even in OWAW or The Elite, it needed Superman to be away from civilians for him to unleash his powers. And even when he's been around cvilians and done it, he's still had the conscious mind to make sure his powers are directed in the right way. Sacrifice? He punched Diana through the atmosphere with no regard for civilian lives. That's not Superman, and it goes back to the comment about him being mentally compromised, and how it doesn't reflect how he would normally fight, even when operating with less restraint.
Originally posted by -Pr-
He was more savage than usual, granted, but he's used his powers in combinations like that on many occasions.I'm not saying it's a low showing power wise. It's not. He's using his strength, speed and heat vision at levels he wouldn't use on the villain of the week.
For me, though, it IS a low showing in terms of tactical thinking and general mental skill. My problem is with the belief that this is anything even remotely similar to how he operates normally in a mental capacity. Superman has, for years now, been a thinking man's brawler. Yes, he'll slug it out, but even then a fight is like a chess match to him. He's always thnking about where his punch will send someone, or, when fighting teams, how he can use his enemy's skills against one another.
Even in OWAW or The Elite, it needed Superman to be away from civilians for him to unleash his powers. And even when he's been around cvilians and done it, he's still had the conscious mind to make sure his powers are directed in the right way. Sacrifice? He punched Diana through the atmosphere with no regard for civilian lives. That's not Superman, and it goes back to the comment about him being mentally compromised, and how it doesn't reflect how he would normally fight, even when operating with less restraint.
PR, I don't disagree with anything that you wrote. I also don't think that believing this prevents you from using the fight in a forum. And by using the fight I do not mean as an indicator of how a fight between these two would go. You can't possibly. Superman didn't know who he was fighting and certainly would have fought more intelligently. (And Diana would have approached the fight very differently as well.)
When I look at the Sacrifice fight, I think of it as a pretty good showing for Wonder Woman. It showed that she could take one hell of a beating from a very powerful foe. Is it indicative of how Clark would normally fight? No. But is the beating that he laid down on her still pretty freaking rough? Yes. Did she hold her own and do some serious damage herself? Yes. That is all I take from that fight.
There were moments when she could have really messed him up but those openings were creating because it wasn't the normal Clark fighting. Likewise, there were some wtf moments as well. (Birds?!) Bottom line: that was not the Clark we are used to seeing. Yes he was more savage but he wasn't as tactical. Nevertheless, even *that* Clark was still a serious threat that anyone would have been hard-pressed to handled. That's all. Nothing less. Nothing more.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
PR, I don't disagree with anything that you wrote. I also don't think that believing this prevents you from using the fight in a forum. And by using the fight I do not mean as an indicator of how a fight between these two would go. You can't possibly. Superman didn't know who he was fighting and certainly would have fought more intelligently. (And Diana would have approached the fight very differently as well.)When I look at the Sacrifice fight, I think of it as a pretty good showing for Wonder Woman. It showed that she could take one hell of a beating from a very powerful foe. Is it indicative of how Clark would normally fight? No. But is the beating that he laid down on her still pretty freaking rough? Yes. Did she hold her own and do some serious damage herself? Yes. That is all I take from that fight.
There were moments when she could have really messed him up but those openings were creating because it wasn't the normal Clark fighting. Likewise, there were some wtf moments as well. (Birds?!) Bottom line: that was not the Clark we are used to seeing. Yes he was more savage but he wasn't as tactical. Nevertheless, even *that* Clark was still a serious threat that anyone would have been hard-pressed to handled. That's all. Nothing less. Nothing more.
And if you look at it that way, that's fine; you won't get any argument from me.
Originally posted by Stoic
Thanos is a telepath, a powerful one.
What has he done of note without the IG or the Cosmic Cube?
Maxima has lobotomized Brainiac. The version that was powerful enough to do things like surprise Metron, and mindzap him out of his chair. He was also able to mind control 2 out of every 3 minds on the planet Colu away from Vril Dox who was running a powerful charisma program on the Coluans. During that same period, he also mind controlled a L.E.G.I.O.N. roster that included Lobo and Telepath.
Originally posted by Arabus
What has he done of note without the IG or the Cosmic Cube?Maxima has lobotomized Brainiac. The version that was powerful enough to do things like surprise Metron, and mindzap him out of his chair. He was also able to mind control 2 out of every 3 minds on the planet Colu away from Vril Dox who was running a powerful charisma program on the Coluans. During that same period, he also mind controlled a L.E.G.I.O.N. roster that included Lobo and Telepath.
Recently, he took over the Hulk, pre death Thanos fought Thor, and was mind zapping him while they fought, spoke to Galactus on the astral/psychic plane, and while they spoke he nearly reprogrammed Galactus or whatever he was doing, and Galactus is quite the talented Telepath, as seen in his battle against Odin. I think that Thanos is capable of high telepathy feats, while augmenting his TP with mystics.
This is really not a contest, because Thanos in character would simply place all of them in force cubes, and could release them one at a time if he wanted. This is not to say that he could not solo the field alone if he so chose because he could. Odin would one shot fry all of these girls, and yet Thanos remained conscious throughout their battle. This pretty much does away with their chance of a win, and we still have not gotten to the Hulk at world breaker levels. They have no chance in this battle.
Originally posted by Arabus
What kind of gear does Thanos have with him? If he's carrying anything less than the Cosmic Cube, I don't see why Maxima couldn't use her telepathy on him.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Is there something about the bubble that disallows people from teleporting out?
From the way Thor looked he appeared to be unable to escape. I don't think they even need the force cubes TBH, that's just one of many expedient ways to do away with the much less powerful combatants on the field.
There seems to be a lot of doubt in the Hulk's power level, and him being able to break multiple people on the women's side, but that's simply because many thinking this way, really had no concept of how powerful the Hulk was during HOTM, and the idea that even at this ridiculous power level that he could become even more powerful based on context, and it never being stated explicitly that he had reached the pinnacle or limit of the amount that he could become. Thanos is also a very powerful component of the two. These women are way out of their league, and most if not all would be one shot slapped by either.
Do you disagree?
Originally posted by Stoic
From the way Thor looked he appeared to be unable to escape. I don't think they even need the force cubes TBH, that's just one of many expedient ways to do away with the much less powerful combatants on the field.There seems to be a lot of doubt in the Hulk's power level, and him being able to break multiple people on the women's side, but that's simply because many thinking this way, really had no concept of how powerful the Hulk was during HOTM, and the idea that even at this ridiculous power level that he could become even more powerful based on context, and it never being stated explicitly that he had reached the pinnacle or limit of the amount that he could become. Thanos is also a very powerful component of the two. These women are way out of their league, and most if not all would be one shot slapped by either.
Do you disagree?
Not in theory, but I have to wonder if you're trying to apply a no-limit fallacy to the Hulk.