Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah, he only did that cuz of Vaapad and Shatterpoint, plus the Sidious he fought wasn't the Sidious Marek fought.
The Sidious Mace fought was most likely superior in Sabers to the one who killed Marek.
And Shatterpoint's a talent of his he can use against anyone, or anything.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Since Mace Windu took down Sidious alone I'd say he's sufficiently above Vader & Marek's level.
Vaapad is a Sith Lord's worse nightmare, so no.
I personally think in Sabers Maul should be > Vader. Of course Vader >>> Maul in the Force but still I say that gives ROTS Sidious a decent chance of Blitzing in Sabers here.
Definitely not, Vader's saber feats are superior as of Purge. Not to mention he consistently trounces Galen in sabers, who himself could fight on par with Shaak Ti; a noted swordsman.
Just makes the whole Maul story arc in CW kind of gay and unnecessary. What's the point in bringing a mid-level goon back from the dead just to stay a mid-level goon.Pointless story arc Imo.
He moved up from Mid-level to Mid-high level....sort of.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Vaapad is a Sith Lord's worse nightmare, so no.
Vader is a Sith. Galen has enough anger for Mace to deal with like a Sith.
Also Vapaad is lethal enough against Lightsiders and non-force sensitives as well. As it draws power from Mace's own dark emotions.
So yeah defeating ROTS Sidious puts Mace firmly above Vader and Galen Imo.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Definitely not, Vader's saber feats are superior as of Purge. Not to mention he consistently trounces Galen in sabers, who himself could fight on par with Shaak Ti; a noted swordsman.
Purge? What the comic when he beat a bunch of featless Jedi?
You think Shaak Ti compares to CW Maul?? Lol
Originally posted by Mizukage YodaHe moved up from Mid-level to Mid-high level....sort of.
Well I'm hoping for some nice feats in season 5, but it doesn't look like he'll be much better than CW Obi-Wan or Ventress. Maybe just slightly above those 2.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
[B]Vader is a Sith. Galen has enough anger for Mace to deal with like a Sith.Also Vapaad is lethal enough against Lightsiders and non-force sensitives as well. As it draws power from Mace's own dark emotions.
So yeah defeating ROTS Sidious puts Mace firmly above Vader and Galen Imo.
Purge? What the comic when he beat a bunch of featless Jedi?You think Shaak Ti compares to CW Maul?? Lol
I'd rate those 7 Jedi to be a superior team to Qui-Gon and Kenobi. And Maul had a lot of difficulty with them. There is no form of Vader that is inferior to Maul imo. Most people place him at Dooku level, which is solidly above Maul as evidenced by Sidious nearly flat out saying Dooku was his better.
And Shaak Ti sat on a Dark Side Nexus and said '**** you I'm making this a pit of the Light Side', and won. So yes she compares to CW Maul. Kenobi himself admits he's learned many things from Shaak Ti and respects her as a Jedi.
Well I'm hoping for some nice feats in season 5, but it doesn't look like he'll be much better than CW Obi-Wan or Ventress. Maybe just slightly above those 2.
I am not expecting much more out of him.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
That is simply not true. Windu was able to use Palpatine's hatred and power against him with the superconducting loop.
Feeding on someones emotion is a Force power. Vaapad is Canon description clearly says that it is lightsaber form and state of mind that requires user to channel his inner darkness and relish fight.
Originally posted by Mizukage YodaI'd rate those 7 Jedi to be a superior team to Qui-Gon and Kenobi. And Maul had a lot of difficulty with them.
That's quite a baseless rating. I think your seriously underestimating Qui-Gon. He's been stated to have been one of the greatest swordsmen of TPM time period. None of those 7 Jedi your talking about have any such statements to their name as far as I know. Plus that's a bad A>B>C argument.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
There is no form of Vader that is inferior to Maul imo.
Overall Power? Yes your right. Just in Sabers? Nah CW Maul should be at least a match for him.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Most people place him at Dooku level, which is solidly above Maul as evidenced by Sidious nearly flat out saying Dooku was his better.
No. Solely in Sabers the majority put Dooku ahead of Vader by a considerable margin.
Dooku is better than Maul, but I don't recall Sidious stating that.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I am not expecting much more out of him.
Well we know he's going to be shown to be more powerful than Savage.
Galen defeated Palpatine by dodging lighting, using saber lock and telekinetic assaults and force push. Darth Vader uses a red force shield that absorbs force power, which furthermore increases his telekinetic powers and powerful force blasts. Also, Vader easily parries any lightsaber strike that is directed at him, and he has considerable willpower, and Galen already defeated both of the two lords once. Team wins.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Except he uses Vaapad in the saber fight when Sidious isn't even attacking him with the Force. What power was he taking from Sidious then?
The excess Dark side energy that was bleeding off of him through his aura.
- Hence a Vapaad practioner channeling an opponent's darkness into a weapon of the light.
Although, I kind of thought that was more well known, honestly.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Mace was using Sidious' own power against him. And also defeating ROTS Sidious? If Sidious had continued his lightning attack Mace would have eaten his own saber.
No. If Sidious had continued his Lightning attack - Sidious would've cooked his own head into oblivion. He was screwed either way.
And, I might add - DARTH POWER is actually totally right, here.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Vader is a Sith. Galen has enough anger for Mace to deal with like a Sith.Also Vapaad is lethal enough against Lightsiders and non-force sensitives as well. As it draws power from Mace's own dark emotions.
So yeah defeating ROTS Sidious puts Mace firmly above Vader and Galen Imo.
Purge? What the comic when he beat a bunch of featless Jedi?
You think Shaak Ti compares to CW Maul?? Lol
Well I'm hoping for some nice feats in season 5, but it doesn't look like he'll be much better than CW Obi-Wan or Ventress. Maybe just slightly above those 2.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Since Mace Windu took down Sidious alone I'd say he's sufficiently above Vader & Marek's level.I personally think in Sabers Maul should be > Vader. Of course Vader >>> Maul in the Force but still I say that gives ROTS Sidious a decent chance of Blitzing in Sabers here.
Just makes the whole Maul story arc in CW kind of gay and unnecessary. What's the point in bringing a mid-level goon back from the dead just to stay a mid-level goon.
Pointless story arc Imo.
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DARTH POWER is completely correct, here. Props.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Since Mace Windu took down Sidious alone I'd say he's sufficiently above Vader & Marek's level.
Bull shit.
Yoda also failed to defeat Sidious. Does that make Windu superior?
Originally posted by Rookwood
No. If Sidious had continued his Lightning attack - Sidious would've cooked his own head into oblivion. He was screwed either way.
No. The RotS novel makes it clear that Mace Windu could not defend against Palps lightning any longer. Lucky for him, Sidious let up the attack right then.
Originally posted by Rookwood
And, I might add - DARTH POWER is actually totally right, here.
Nah, he really isn't.
In game Marek like Yoda demonstrated Force absorb but did not survive explosion.
In book he didn't even have Force absorb, lightning struck him full on lik
e. Sidious had unfair advantage in that final contest like Dooku had against Opress. And despite that Marek still resisted and even made Sidious suffer as well. And explosion was Marek's doing, he could continue resisting but decided to sacrfice himself to save rebels.
Moreover, Marek wasted a lot of his reserves to defeat Vader. And Sidious at that point was more powerful than in RotS.
Imho Marek is firmly above Yoda and especially Windu.
He had power in him not only to confront but even defeat Sidious but circumstances were too unfavorable for that.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Proof?And not in sabers.
First, before purge he was dedicating most of the time to politics instead of exersizes to strain his limits like Marek did. Plagueis novel portrays that well.
Second, after RotS he didn't need to hide and could dedicate more time to increase power. For example, he drained life energy from billions of Byss beings, which he did because his immence power started decaying his body.
And the most obvious fact is that his body prior RotS could comfortably contain his power but his clone bodies were decaying within days. Imho it demonstrates that he had some room for improvement.
I didn't talk about sabers, Sidious is comfortable at engaging any opponent even without one. In RotS he disarmed Yoda with lightning. In game he fought Marek without lightsaber. Although, Marek Force handled him at the end, he did that presumably after Sidious got tired from throwing all sorts of objects and lightning, while Marek conserved his energy by dodging and using lightsaber to block lightning.
Originally posted by ares834
Yoda also failed to defeat Sidious. Does that make Windu superior?
Doy.
Originally posted by ares834
No. The RotS novel makes it clear that Mace Windu could not defend against Palps lightning any longer. Lucky for him, Sidious let up the attack right then.
Idiot - he let up because if Windu had continued to deflect his own searing Lightning back into his face, he would have died.
That's why he was screwed either way - it didn't matter that Mace was having a difficult time holding back his Lightning - Sidious's Lightning was returning back into it's source anyway, and Sidious was the only one in danger of dying of it at that point in time.
Any longer and Sidious would have fried to death, and he knew it. So he had no choice but to stop. Mace had him beaten, either way.
Originally posted by ares834
Nah, he really isn't.
Yah, he really is. - Gotta give credit where it's due.
Idiot - he let up because if Windu had continued to deflect his own searing Lightning back into his face, he would have died.That's why he was screwed either way - it didn't matter that Mace was having a difficult time holding back his Lightning - Sidious's Lightning was returning back into it's source anyway, and Sidious was the only one in danger of dying of it at that point in time.
Any longer and Sidious would have fried to death, and he knew it. So he had no choice but to stop. Mace had him beaten, either way.
"When he paused, the apprentice sent a surge of Sith lightning under his guard.
The Jedi was caught in the flickering storm. His face twisted into a pained grimace. Then he brought his right arm down and placed the blade of his lightsaber directly in the lightning's path. The energy was absorbed by the blade, then bent back upon itself in a superconducting loop, striking its source with more energy than it had originally possessed. The apprentice stiffened as pain coursed up his hands and arms. The agony was unbearable-but hear it he did. His skin melted and warped all over his body, and he gagged on the stink of his own burning flesh. The pain and revulsion only fed the dark side, so the faster the lightning came back to him, the harder and stronger it flowed from him.
The loop couldn't last forever. With a blinding blue flash he and the Jedi were blown far apart, crashing with arms out stretched into the walls of the hut and dropping to the floor. Then lightsabers skittered away in opposite directions, dead.
Flat on his back, the apprentice wheezed through his mask like an asthmatic Gand, only gradually regaining sensation in his arms and legs. His muscles twitched spastically when he tried to move. Acrid steam poured from his mask's narrow eye slits. Fearing that his Jedi opponent might be on his feet before him, he called on all the power of the Force to lift himself bodily into the air. Hanging suspended like a doll, with his feet some centimeters off the ground, he blinked his searing eyes until he could see again.
The Jedi was faring no better. He, too, was upright, but only just. He, too, had lost his lightsaber and not yet managed to claim it. The apprentice leered behind his mask. He had several other lightsabers to choose from, belonging to all the Jedi Knights he had killed. All he had to do was select one at random and strike
Instead he reached out with his left hand and, as his dark Master had done to the first Jedi killed on this spot, long ago, gripped his opponent about the throat with the Force. Still smoking from the lightning attack, the young man jerked abruptly into the air.
They faced each other across the ruined hut, neither touching the ground."
What's that from?
Originally posted by Rookwood
The excess Dark side energy that was bleeding off of him through his aura.- Hence a Vapaad practioner channeling an opponent's darkness into a weapon of the light.
Although, I kind of thought that was more well known, honestly.
That was what I was getting at. But theres a lot of people who think differently, as you can see.