Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I already addressed that in previous post. So let me ask this, how would that help Goku's case? He can't just up and glass Sasuke casually and Sasuke has versatility on his side.You keep using the dc argument with moon busting, granted so am I, but its still not helping Goku's case at all.
What? You're literally trying to argue here that Goku can't overcome Sasuke's mountain range durability with his moon+ level destruction. What's bigger? A mountain, or a moon? A PHUCKING MOON, for allah sake! What's stopping him from glassing Sasuke, when he can glass characters that casually tank attacks that would glass the entire CAST of Naruto?! No one in all of Naruto reaches moon level durability OR strength.
And melee? Goku casually bats away ki blasts, with his bare hands, that can destroy planets, for phucks sake. Do you NOT remember him letting Nappa's small planet busting attack hit his chest JUST to prove how strong he was? Piccolo can dish out and tank moon busting attacks CASUALLY, and this ONE attack was enough to off him. Goku tanked it to the CHEST. Goku could up and JUMP through Sasuke's perfect Susano'o, and rip him out of it.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Goku's not that fast at the start of DBZ and Sasuke can teleport.
Teleportation isn't speed and Piccolo's blasts were, Goku's equal to him in every respect and well dodging and outrunning peoples attacks in the series in more or less commonplace
When has Goku shown the ability to do that so early in the series or rather with enough power to nuke Sasuke?
If you seriously believe that Goku, much less Raditz can't replicate the feats of BoSS Piccolo then I'm going to laugh at you
Or you just can't powerscaling, like, at all
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Goku's not that fast at the start of DBZ and Sasuke can teleport.When has Goku shown the ability to do that so early in the series or rather with enough power to nuke Sasuke?
What? LOLOLOL, obviously he is, if he can casually bat away, react to, and blatantly OUTRUN attacks that reach the moon in less than a second. Sasuke can teleport, but what's that gonna do when Goku is able to out-speed him otherwise anyway? He only has a certain range of teleportation, and can only use it like once every thirty seconds or some shit. All that's gonna do is delay Goku for the second it takes him to zip across the warping spot to Sasuke's new location, and rip out his phuckin' spine. Or just turn him into a stain with a shout.
And yes, if Piccolo, who was weaker than Goku, can blow up the moon with a ki blast, then Goku can even MORE casually. Show me a Naruto character with moon busting strength, and they can go toe to toe with Roshi's kamehameha wave at max power, and a casually ki blast from Piccolo. 👆
So are you conscientiously skipping around my points or what? Sasuke's Susanoo would cover Goku's melee attacks and his teleportation would cover the ki attacks. Also Goku has no defense against genjutsu and isn't nearly as fast as you give him credit for this early in the series. Also I've already stated why Sasuke doesn't need "moon busting" power to beat end of DB Goku.
You've also yet to specify a means for how Goku's going to do it since we haven't seen Goku use ki that way so early in the series. Goku's not blitzing Sasuke less you have a feat you want to mention other than the moon thing which wasn't even the same attack IIRC.
You keep power-scaling off the moon thing instead of giving me another feat to work with.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
So are you conscientiously skipping around my points or what? Sasuke's Susanoo would cover Goku's melee attacks and his teleportation would cover the ki attacks. Also Goku has no defense against genjutsu and isn't nearly as fast as you give him credit for this early in the series. Also I've already stated why Sasuke doesn't need "moon busting" power to beat end of DB Goku.You've also yet to specify a means for how Goku's going to do it since we haven't seen Goku use ki that way so early in the series. Goku's not blitzing Sasuke less you have a feat you want to mention other than the moon thing which wasn't even the same attack IIRC.
You keep power-scaling off the moon thing instead of giving me another feat to work with.
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT?! I JUST EXPLAINED THIS! How would Sasuke's Susano'o cover Goku's melee if Goku can punch through it? Sasuke's Susano'o was punched through by Naruto's Biju-sen-shuriken, which is only mountain range level.
How is he going to tank punches from Goku with the same potency as the attacks that would glass him?
If Piccolo can bat away a ki blast created with more effort than the one that blew up the moon, then he can HAS the capacity to punch out the moon. Goku blocked and countered endless of those punches. How is Sasuke going to tank one of those when he can't even tank the output of a single SHOUT from Piccolo?
Piccolo SHOUTING did more damage than any attack in ALL of Naruto that wasn't from Kaguya herself. No one in all of Naruto besides possibly her can destroy an island with one attack.
And what do you mean, "we haven't seen Goku use ki that way so early in the series"? He's been using the kamehameha wave since he was practically since he was shitting in diapers. Plus, Piccolo just used casual ki blasts to vaporize the moon. Goku's kamehameha has overpowered Piccolo's strongest attack, the demon wave.
Uh while SSjGogeta gets points for actually putting up scans,that logic is skewed as all get out: really end of DB Goku punching out a moon when he hasn't shown that level of physical strength.
Also for that last panel, the Juubi's attack was more impressive: Piccolo's shout doesn't look that much greater than what EoS Sasuke can do anyway.
But I'Ve already compromised with Sasuke beating Goku at the end of DB so there's nothing else to mention here.
For End of DB?
-Mach 4k speed, compared to Goku's Mach 89.
-Moon to Small planet power, compared to Goku's Island+ force.
-Hax that assist him here;
--Teleportation, including himself or others
--Precognition
--Hypnosis (With his level of power it can be argued to have a level of effect, looking at Dabura as an example)
--Amaterasu (Currently should be around Mountain level. Constant burning of this will be damaging to character with higher durability that this)
--Energy absorption
--Soul rip
Originally posted by BloodRain
Well in that.. Bugger that links broken isn't it. Google it! In the image on it bursting out, as said its far larger than the mountains. I'm the BD calcs the smaller ones were places at 8.5km, still a touch smaller than those same mountains.Also hi DP /shakes fist/
Those mountains barely look like they clear 1 km. Then there's the fact that they are calc stacking for their sizes and coming up with numbers that are nonsensical. Then there's the fact that Kishimoto is generally inconsistent with his scaling and distances.
Yo.
Originally posted by BloodRain
For End of DB?-Mach 4k speed, compared to Goku's Mach 89.
-Moon to Small planet power, compared to Goku's Island+ force.
-Hax that assist him here;
--Teleportation, including himself or others
--Precognition
--Hypnosis (With his level of power it can be argued to have a level of effect, looking at Dabura as an example)
--Amaterasu (Currently should be around Mountain level. Constant burning of this will be damaging to character with higher durability that this)
--Energy absorption
--Soul rip
Moon level power is only when he has Naruto and the Six Paths Yin/Yang abilities. Otherwise, he's around Island level with Perfect Susanoo. Higher when he's got the Bijuu powered Perfect Susanoo.
Mountain level Amaterasu?
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Those mountains barely look like they clear 1 km. Then there's the fact that they are calc stacking for their sizes and coming up with numbers that are nonsensical. Then there's the fact that Kishimoto is generally inconsistent with his scaling and distances.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Moon level power is only when he has Naruto and the Six Paths Yin/Yang abilities. Otherwise, he's around Island level with Perfect Susanoo. Higher when he's got the Bijuu powered Perfect Susanoo.Mountain level Amaterasu?
Mm. I've seen in several threads that MS Sasuke's Ama was on the high Town to low City level. If peak also increases Ama, which I'm sure it does, it would be around the Mountain level.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Yeah, no, Goku at any stage in Part 2 stomps Saucegay
Namek saga and up gpku def wins
Saiyan saga and down is questionable sasuke could pull it off
The funny thing is your mocking me and naruto isnt even my fav anime id give it a c+ as a whole. Im just an objective thinker unlike you guys i acknowdge the extreme power up kishi gave naruto and sasuke
Originally posted by BloodRain
For End of DB?-Mach 4k speed, compared to Goku's Mach 89.
-Moon to Small planet power, compared to Goku's Island+ force.
-Hax that assist him here;
--Teleportation, including himself or others
--Precognition
--Hypnosis (With his level of power it can be argued to have a level of effect, looking at Dabura as an example)
--Amaterasu (Currently should be around Mountain level. Constant burning of this will be damaging to character with higher durability that this)
--Energy absorption
--Soul rip
Wait a minute...are you saying Goku max at the end of DB is island level?
Originally posted by yungz22
The funny thing is your mocking me and naruto isnt even my fav anime id give it a c+ as a whole. Im just an objective thinker unlike you guys i acknowdge the extreme power up kishi gave naruto and sasuke
Oh, no. I acknowledge that, too, and I wish I couldn't seeing as the series has become all the worse for it (hence your C grading). So, you can leave me out of that "unlike" clause (which I hope you did).