Sasuke (current) vs. Goku (at any stage)

Originally posted by BloodRain
They don't look grand themselves, but I haven't found fault in the craters in the BD calcs. In all honestly the vines don't feel that large, its just the scans along with knowing the BD size isn't giving me much room to think otherwise /shrugs

Except the inconsistent scaling/distances, skewed perspectives from looking at it 2-dimensionally, the highballing that occurs because of the stacking, and the fact that the numbers they get are just plain nonsensical.

Naruto once goes to the top of the tree to search for Madara. He does not look like he's thousands of kilometers above ground when they show him looking for Madara. That would make the Byakugan look shitty since Base mode Naruto can basically see stuff thousands of kilometers away.

Originally posted by BloodRain
I assumed we would be using Sasuke at his peak as we know nothing of his adult self.

Mm. I've seen in several threads that MS Sasuke's Ama was on the high Town to low City level. If peak also increases Ama, which I'm sure it does, it would be around the Mountain level.

Sasuke at his peak is still not Moon Level. He can only use Six Paths Chibaku Tensei (Moon) with Naruto. Peak Sasuke's most powerful attack did this when it clashed with Naruto's most powerful attacks: http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-698-page-4.html

How did it get to Town level?

EDIT: http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/646/18

That dude who calced the tree roots to be 63 km wide, also calced the BB/Tenpenchii crater (small dark area that doesn't extend the span of the tree's roots) underneath the tree to be 100km wide. Do you see the inconsistency?

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Goku, end of DB(part 1 to be specific), has no real answer to genjustu or Amateratsu & he's not fast enough to blast Sasuke before he teleports. Also Sasuke has energy absorption powers to handle any, if at all, smaller scale ki blasts. Also, while I personally doubt it would help much, Sasuke also has Chibaku Tensei on his side: he can make mini moon/meteors for those that don't know.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Except the inconsistent scaling/distances, skewed perspectives from looking at it 2-dimensionally, the highballing that occurs because of the stacking, and the fact that the numbers they get are just plain nonsensical.

Naruto once goes to the top of the tree to search for Madara. He does not look like he's thousands of kilometers above ground when they show him looking for Madara. That would make the Byakugan look shitty since Base mode Naruto can basically see stuff thousands of kilometers away.

As for the roots.. sure it sounds too big to believe even for me, but wheres the fault for instance in this: http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=21521 ? Even if its not 63km, its size will still be large enough to produce a fast attack. I mean even if the roots are 15km (which would be low for all the different calcs done), itd still hit Ma1k. The size of the roots compared to the barrier is too clear to disregard.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Sasuke at his peak is still not Moon Level. He can only use Six Paths Chibaku Tensei (Moon) with Naruto. Peak Sasuke's most powerful attack did this when it clashed with Naruto's most powerful attacks: http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-698-page-4.html.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
EDIT: http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/646/18

That dude who calced the tree roots to be 63 km wide, also calced the BB/Tenpenchii crater (small dark area that doesn't extend the span of the tree's roots) underneath the tree to be 100km wide. Do you see the inconsistency?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
How did it get to Town level?

Originally posted by BloodRain
With the crater? The only scaling came from Hachibi's tornado remains, scaled from his puffed up self.

As for the roots.. sure it sounds too big to believe even for me, but wheres the fault for instance in this: http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=21521 ? Even if its not 63km, its size will still be large enough to produce a fast attack. I mean even if the roots are 15km (which would be low for all the different calcs done), itd still hit Ma1k. The size of the roots compared to the barrier is too clear to disregard.

No, with the size of the tree/roots/country size, whatever those morons have tried to calc.

He/She's using a root that's closer to the viewer than the barrier is. His/her scaling of barrier seems to be faulty as well due to the perspective.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Its stated that peak Sasuke is on the level of Hogs himself, who pops up to create a moon.

That line was mistranslated. Kurama wasn't talking about power level.
http://i.imgur.com/iRkBfTP.png

Originally posted by BloodRain
Link?

Can't find it. Some of the blogs have been deleted. Even at 150-200 km, the roots look nothing near 60+ km.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Can't remember but I /think/ the damage it was doing to Hachibi could be the answer. Or one of the answers.

Every time he's used it after he got EMS/Rinnegan, it's been far less impressive when not amped by Rasenshuriken. Both Madara and Naruto made it look pathetic and nowhere near mountain level.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Uh while SSjGogeta gets points for actually putting up scans,that logic is skewed as all get out: really end of DB Goku punching out a moon when he hasn't shown that level of physical strength.

Also for that last panel, the Juubi's attack was more impressive: Piccolo's shout doesn't look that much greater than what EoS Sasuke can do anyway.

But I'Ve already compromised with Sasuke beating Goku at the end of DB so there's nothing else to mention here.

How has he not shown that level of physical strength, when he has PHYSICALLY batted away said attacks? If he's able to punch out a blast that can blow up a planet, then he's able to generate more force than required to blow up the planet. This is because otherwise, he would get eaten up by said blast. You pit his strength feats off on ki, but that's what he uses to fight. That's like me saying Superman would lose to Sasuke because he's only strong when the sun's out.

What?! The Jyuubi's attack was not more impressive! It destroyed a VILLAGE for christ's sake, Piccolo destroyed an ISLAND. A HUGE island, going by the DBZ Earth map. Around the size of Austrailia, for crying out loud. And Piccolo did that by shouting, the Jyuubi's best feat was using it's strongest attack to destroy a distant village. Either way, there's no getting around the fact that DB Piccolo has destructive output on the level of Kaguya herself, and he is weaker than Goku BEFORE DBZ, let alone when he fought Raditz. Not to mention the astronomical speed, durability, and strength advantage DBZ early char's possess over Naruto.

So why are you still arguing? Sasuke, AT MOST, wins against EoS DB Goku, and that's only if he's spamming his rinnegan, and can use Infinite Tsukiyomi.

^So we can call the thread with that answer

@DP: Barely closer when its shooting out to the side. The barrier has to be near that size if the bomber tree is only around a thirtieth of its width.

He's still saying it's like Hogs level though.

Honestly do you not believe it's power increased at all?

Originally posted by Sacred 117
Goku doesn't have a damn thing to do with what I said. I'm just telling you how hypocritical it is to hold a specific attribute on a pedestal after ruling out the other side for doing the same.

OK, and? If you're implying BoS Goku can planet bust, that means he can one-shot Sasuke, and he wouldn't have to destroy the planet to do it regardless. You might not want to argue that. Just Saiyan..

how am i being a hypocrite for stating something that goku has zero defense for?

saiyan saga goku's pbs can be avoided because there is a charge time it would leave goku open and sasuke being the tactician that he would def take advantage of that. especially if goku has no defense for hax.

dc is less of a deciding fctor than hax thats not being a hypocrite its just fact.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
How has he not shown that level of physical strength, when he has PHYSICALLY batted away said attacks? If he's able to punch out a blast that can blow up a planet, then he's able to generate more force than required to blow up the planet. This is because otherwise, he would get eaten up by said blast. You pit his strength feats off on ki, but that's what he uses to fight. That's like me saying Superman would lose to Sasuke because he's only strong when the sun's out.

What?! The Jyuubi's attack was not more impressive! It destroyed a VILLAGE for christ's sake, Piccolo destroyed an ISLAND. A HUGE island, going by the DBZ Earth map. Around the size of Austrailia, for crying out loud. And Piccolo did that by shouting, the Jyuubi's best feat was using it's strongest attack to destroy a distant village. Either way, there's no getting around the fact that DB Piccolo has destructive output on the level of Kaguya herself, and he is weaker than Goku BEFORE DBZ, let alone when he fought Raditz. Not to mention the astronomical speed, durability, and strength advantage DBZ early char's possess over Naruto.

So why are you still arguing? Sasuke, AT MOST, wins against EoS DB Goku, and that's only if he's spamming his rinnegan, and can use Infinite Tsukiyomi.

what pb's has goku batted away im curious

The side one's still more accurate. And like I've repeatedly stated, Kishi isn't consistent with his sizes/relative sizes.

Yeah, when it comes to manipulating the chakra of the Bijuu. Not with respect to overall level of power.

I don't recall any instance that showed that Amaterasu's raw destructive power was increased after upgrades. His EMS removed the chakra taxing and eye strain negative effects.

Originally posted by yungz22
how am i being a hypocrite for stating something that goku has zero defense for?

saiyan saga goku's pbs can be avoided because there is a charge time it would leave goku open and sasuke being the tactician that he would def take advantage of that. especially if goku has no defense for hax.

dc is less of a deciding fctor than hax thats not being a hypocrite its just fact.

"DC isn't everything, but hax is (when it suits me)."

^What you're actually saying (while feigning objectivity). Again, I haven't yet backed Goku, so way to miss the point again just to try to make an enemy of me.

And no, hax isn't universally superior to DC, and vice-versa. Mewtwo is far less likely to hax Thor into submission than get hammered to death by him, for example.

Originally posted by Sacred 117
"DC isn't everything, but hax is (when it suits me)."

^What you're actually saying (while feigning objectivity). Again, I haven't yet backed Goku, so way to miss the point again just to try to make an enemy of me.

And no, hax isn't universally superior to DC, and vice-versa. Mewtwo is far less likely to hax Thor into submission than get hammered to death by him, for example.

when did i ever say hax is everything?

i said hax is superior to dc if you have NO DEFENSE for it.

thor has fought way more powerful beings and endured way more powerful mental attacks from gods......mewtwo stands no chance again what this has to do with anything idk.

Of course you don't. Why should I expect better? It's more convenient for you to ignore or only half-ass address a point. Something tells me you'd change your mind if I instead used Kaguya vs. Asura as an example.

Originally posted by BloodRain
^So we can call the thread with that answer

@DP: Barely closer when its shooting out to the side. The barrier has to be near that size if the bomber tree is only around a thirtieth of its width.

He's still saying it's like Hogs level though.

Honestly do you not believe it's power increased at all?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The side one's still more accurate. And like I've repeatedly stated, Kishi isn't consistent with his sizes/relative sizes.

Yeah, when it comes to manipulating the chakra of the Bijuu. Not with respect to overall level of power.

I don't recall any instance that showed that Amaterasu's raw destructive power was increased after upgrades. His EMS removed the chakra taxing and eye strain negative effects.

Just noticed I never quoted BR. >_<

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The side one's still more accurate. And like I've repeatedly stated, Kishi isn't consistent with his sizes/relative sizes.

Yeah, when it comes to manipulating the chakra of the Bijuu. Not with respect to overall level of power.

I don't recall any instance that showed that Amaterasu's raw destructive power was increased after upgrades. His EMS removed the chakra taxing and eye strain negative effects.

What made Hogs that powerful was his chakra with the beasts. Sasuke has his own mixed with half of Hogs with the beasts. He wwoyld be comparable.

His chakra attacks, with susanoo, were stronger after though (right? Not too confident about his other attacks.).

Originally posted by BloodRain
No artist is, but I don't see us throwing out every feat or scale because of it.

What made Hogs that powerful was his chakra with the beasts. Sasuke has his own mixed with half of Hogs with the beasts. He wwoyld be comparable.

His chakra attacks, with susanoo, were stronger after though (right? Not too confident about his other attacks.).

So it's alright to use inconsistent scalings just so you can put a number on things, even though said numbers can be borderline idiotic? Gotcha. 👆

Hagoromo also had the Six Paths Yang stuff (Jesus-healing), Creation of All Things, Six Paths Senjutsu, Tailed Beast abilities, the other half of Kurama's chakra, etc. So not really. Hagoromo is more powerful. Peak Sasuke is more comparable to Peak Juubi Madara.

Which chakra attacks?

Originally posted by Sacred 117
Of course you don't. Why should I expect better? It's more convenient for you to ignore or only half-ass address a point. Something tells me you'd change your mind if I instead used Kaguya vs. Asura as an example.

i honestly think your just talking just to talk or you cant read?

nobody ever said hax was everything

if you have NO DEFENSE for hax it holds more ground over just dc because it has a charge time or can be straight up out run. especially against teleporters and especially if goku has a charge time

As if I give a f**k what you think.

Answer this...

Originally posted by Sacred 117
Kaguya vs. Asura

Tell me how much hax will help there.

Yungz, sorry if I am needlessly confrontational, or even abrasive. This is unbecoming of me (at least in serious cases).

Originally posted by Sacred 117
As if I give a f**k what you think.

Answer this...

Tell me how much hax will help there.

this thread is about goku vs sasuke why do you keep bringing up other characters.

asura? from which anime

Originally posted by yungz22
this thread is about goku vs sasuke why do you keep bringing up other characters.

asura? from which anime

I could care less about the match. We already basically agree on that.

Originally posted by yungz22
Goku would **** sasuke up lol namek saga and up

I'm just making my point about how far hax can honestly carry someone.

Asura from 'Asura's Wrath' (video game, not anime).

(Now, I seriously hope my apology wasn't for nothing.)

Originally posted by Sacred 117
I could care less about the match. We already basically agree on that.

I'm just making my point about how far hax can honestly carry someone.

Asura from 'Asura's Wrath' (video game, not anime).

(Now, I seriously hope my apology wasn't for nothing.)

well honestly i think kaguya could just send him to another dimension