Vitiate vs. The B team

Samfreedman77 is right though. Vitiate could just mindrape Windu.

'The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side’s power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen. His corrupting influence is so complete that none can stand in his presence without succumbing to fear, anger and hatred. The Emperor can wither and ruin even the strongest Jedi’s connection to the light side. Jedi Master Tol Braga’s strike team was not the first group to succumb to the Sith leader’s oppressive influence. Hundreds of years ago, the Jedi Revan and Malak discovered Dromund Kaas and confronted the Emperor. They fell to the dark side and returned to Republic space as Sith Lords. Since then, dozens more Jedi have followed the same path into evil.'

Originally posted by Nephthys
I meant in respect to their own powers.

But okay, whatever, but the others are still only measly 1's who Vitiate will crush easily. Then he will overpower Windu.

How do you know they are measly ones? Where did you get that arbitrary number? How do you know the Emperor can kill them while simultaneously holding Windu back?

Because of what I just said. I don't know he was holding back, I'm deducing it and arguing that it was the case.

No, you used circular logic to argue that since Braga was able to advance on the Emperor, Vitiate must have been holding back, rather than Braga being, you know, powerful enough to advance on him.

So what? Even if he disperses his power into an AoE, its still enough to down the rest of the B team like it was the Strike Team. And then he will focus on Windu.

It's not enough to establish that his AoE is powerful enough to take down the rest of the B team. You have to establish that he can take down the rest of the B team while simultaneously holding Windu back. It takes several seconds for Vitiate to down the team in OTL, at which point Windu may be capable of advancing on him.

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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The greatest advantage of Vitiate is that he is the most formidable Sith Sorcerer in the mythos.

Greater than Plagieus? Greater than Palpatine?

Sith Sorcery is a pathway to unlock most dangerous dark side abilities/powers.

Vitiate can unleash dark side energies in their purest form (Sith Sorcery based talent) and it is at this point when his powers become impossible to handle.

When Zannah unleashed dark side energies in their purest form (via her Sith Sorcery based talent), Darth Bane had no answer for such an attack. In contrast, Vitiate is a daddy of Zannah.

Do the math.

You're insinuating that the Sith Emperor has sith sorcery that cannot be defended against (ignoring the fact that Zannah had the bonus of a DS nexus, and it was stated that she could not have used it on Bane otherwise).

Yet obviously his sorcery did not work on the Hero of Tython.

So prove it would work on Windu.

Vitiate runs into Windu's saber.

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Originally posted by ares834
Vitiate runs into Windu's saber.

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lol

Come to think of it, has Vitiate ever mindraped someone successfully and in a combat scenario while not on a dark side nexus?

The above quote sure indicates so.

Off topic, the whole "force people to turn to the dark side" ability sort of defies one of the central themes of SW, of choosing between good and evil.

Except that the darkside is inherently corrupting already. You don't really get to choose when its influencing your mind anyway.

Not true. Luke refuses Palpatine's words in RotJ, and he was hardly powerful at this point.

Originally posted by Master Han
Off topic, the whole "force people to turn to the dark side" ability sort of defies one of the central themes of SW, of choosing between good and evil.

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Originally posted by Master Han
How do you know they are measly ones? Where did you get that arbitrary number? How do you know the Emperor can kill them while simultaneously holding Windu back?

They're no more powerful than the Strike Team that Vitiate easily pwned. In fact, there were 5 of the strike team and only 3 of the B team not counting Windu. Thats how I know he can do it.

Originally posted by Master Han
No, you used circular logic to argue that since Braga was able to advance on the Emperor, Vitiate must have been holding back, rather than Braga being, you know, powerful enough to advance on him.

Except that Vitiate easily overpowered Braga and 4 others, so thats clearly not the case. If he can overpower him and other so easily, then its logical to conclude that if Vitiate wanted, Braga wouldn't have been able to advance.

Originally posted by Master Han
It's not enough to establish that his AoE is powerful enough to take down the rest of the B team. You have to establish that he can take down the rest of the B team while simultaneously holding Windu back. It takes several seconds for Vitiate to down the team in OTL, at which point Windu may be capable of advancing on him.

And I have. Vitiate defeated the strike team 'easily', which indicates that he has more than enough power to defeat the B team with one less member to worry about.

And yeah, Windu probably will be capable of advancing. I don't think he'll advance quickly enough through a lightning storm to reach Vitiate though without Vitiate blasting him away like he did against the Hero of Tython.

Originally posted by Nephthys
They're no more powerful than the Strike Team that Vitiate easily pwned. In fact, there were 5 of the strike team and only 3 of the B team not counting Windu. Thats how I know he can do it.

They are more powerful if you include Windu. Why are you leaving out Mace?

Except that Vitiate easily overpowered Braga and 4 others, so thats clearly not the case. If he can overpower him and other so easily, then its logical to conclude that if Vitiate wanted, Braga wouldn't have been able to advance.

That...doesn't make any sense. He easily overpowers them, but that doesn't mean Braga wasn't able to advance. "easily" doesn't mean "instantly and without any modicum of resistance".

And I have. Vitiate defeated the strike team 'easily', which indicates that he has more than enough power to defeat the B team with one less member to worry about.

But he has to do so while simultaneously holding back Windu.

And yeah, Windu probably will be capable of advancing. I don't think he'll advance quickly enough through a lightning storm to reach Vitiate though without Vitiate blasting him away like he did against the Hero of Tython.

The lightning storm will be dispersed across several enemies, compared to Palpatine's blasting him at point blank range.

How does the quote indicate such, Neph?

Its pretty self-explanatory. You know:

'The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side’s power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen. His corrupting influence is so complete that none can stand in his presence without succumbing to fear, anger and hatred. The Emperor can wither and ruin even the strongest Jedi’s connection to the light side. Jedi Master Tol Braga’s strike team was not the first group to succumb to the Sith leader’s oppressive influence. Hundreds of years ago, the Jedi Revan and Malak discovered Dromund Kaas and confronted the Emperor. They fell to the dark side and returned to Republic space as Sith Lords. Since then, dozens more Jedi have followed the same path into evil.'

Its pretty much there.

It's self explanatory that he can corrupt minds while not on terrain infused with the dark side? Highlight the relevant part because I'm not seeing it.

Theres no mention that he can only do so on nexus'. In fact, we know thats not true seeing as he corrupted the Strike Team on his fortress. It just says that hes 'the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen' and that 'His corrupting influence is so complete that none can stand in his presence without succumbing to fear, anger and hatred. The Emperor can wither and ruin even the strongest Jedi’s connection to the light side.'

The absence of proof is not proof of absence. Not to mention, where is the proof that the actual corruption occurred on the station?

What, you think he shipped them down to Kaas, corrupted them, then sent them right back up to the station again? Lol.

It's very possible, especially since Captain Mind HAXX shouldn't have had to attack them to begin with rather than snap his fingers and enslave them.

No it isn't. And Mr. Own Maul and Opress shouldn't have had to dirty his saber in combat ever by the same logic.

Lol how is it not possible?

That's a false equivalency. I never insinuated Sidious could mind HAXX anyone Evarrr and especially at whim.... Unlike you with Vitiate.