Good point. Although this is a team fight, which is what I was more referring to, his companions aren't exactly slackers who'll let Bane to be triple-teamed.
Originally posted by Pwned
Or, y'know, specific statements of blocking any harmful techniques beats the word of a liar who uses such a technique.Really, your saying, "Nu uh" at this point, as you have not proven that Kreia was telling the truth.
Kreia also had plans that would eliminate Nihilus' ship, as we can draw the probably correct conclusion that he can not survive in a vacuum. Meaning even if the Exile went down, Nihilus would die. Kreia would then attempt to create another Wound. And probably fail.
I don't see where you get Kreia's plans from anyways. I doubt they have been spelled out, and Kreia herself wouldn't tell you.
Apologies for ignoring this for so long.
Nowhere is it stated that Tutaminis can block all harmful techniques. You alluded to something yet havn't provided a single source or quote. Furthermore in your later post you indicate that there are actually unblockable techniques. So..... wtf?
I've proven that she has no reason to lie and that it would be illogical and detrimental for her to have done so. Just because you seem not to be capable of comprehending my arguments does not mean that they do not exist.
No, Kreia had no such plan. The Mandalorian's planned to blow up the Ravager. I'm not actually sure where you got the idea that Kreia had a plan to blow it up. Have you, perchance, been supping on moonjuice?
Y-You don't see where I'm getting Kreia's plans from? Despite the fact that I wrote out a very detailed breakdown of what she did and why she chose to do those things? Despite the fact that I very clearly explained everything to you? Are you illiterate or did you just not read that post? Because it's on the very same page as this reply of yours. Why don't you read it again and this time think a little. Something something not being mean something.
Unless you mean how I know her overall plan to destroy the Force. In which case...... she tells you it. Duh.
Remember, when I argued that Marek's power rivals Palpatine, everyone kept throwing "no match" quote from Complete Encyclopedia in my face. Now it's time for retalation.
Here are proofs that Nihilus couldn't consume planets:
1. Complete Encyclopedia:
"It was rumored that he could consume the Force energy of an entire planet." - It's only a rumor.
2. Complete Encyclopedia:
"Darth Nihilus began his Jedi purge by obliterating the planet Katarr" - It doesn't say that he Force drained the planet.
3. Complete Encyclopedia:
"In the meantime, Darth Nihilus led his Sith forces from his flagship, Ravager, drawing more and more power from worlds that he blasted into ruin." - This is too specific to be interpreted as consuming planets. Force drain doesn't blast ANYTHING into ruins, however, orbital bombardment does precisely that. In other words Nihilus did the same thing as Kueller - one of Luke's fallen Jedi. He initiated mass killings without Force use and fed on anguish of sudden death of others.
Proves that Meetra was not Force wound:
1. 00:10-00:20
YouTube video - Meetra gets Force drained by Traya.
2. Complete Encyclopedia:
"On the mission to destroy Telos, Darth Nihilus finally was confronted by the Exile and her team.
Although Darth Nihilus managed to stun the Exile, he was unprepared for the devotion of his former pupil Marr to the young woman. Marr tried to exchange her life for that of the Exile, giving the former Jedi time to recover. Together, they confronted Darth Nihilus. The Sith Lord was no match for their combined might, and he fell in battle." - Nihilus did not try to drain Meetra. He is not stated to be weakened, Marr simply gave Meetra time to recover. He was simply "no match for their combined might".
3. Revan novel:
"Once he had tried to reach out to her with the Force. Serving in battle with someone formed a special bond; even across the breadth of the galaxy he should have been able to get some vague sense of her presence" - As you see Meetra's ability to develop Force bonds is not the result of Wound in the Force. Revan had Force bond with he prior to Malacor V. Similarly Luke developed strong Force bond with Mara and that resulted in their relationship. New Order developed battle meld technique that allowed Jedi to merge minds and draw strength from each other. So there is nothing special with Meetra's ability to do that.
4. Complete Encyclopedia:
"After the Jedi exile traveled to Onderon and defeated General Vaklu, Kreia realized that her "pupil" was growing in strength and would become a threat to her treumverate of power. She tried to kill her on Dantooin, but fled." - This is prove that game story branch, where she saves Exile and kills masters, is non-canon. It, also, invalidates her only feat of giga drain making it non-canon as well.
Overally there is no prove that Nihilus or Traya's drain could kill and that it cannot be resisted.
Moreover, there is no prove that someone could become Force wound. Both giga drain that could kill and ability to become Force wound are not documented in any canon sources. Therefore, Traya made it all up and it's been proven that she is liar. As for Jedi Master's claim, well, they are simply fools.
And now with this evidence it becomes clear why Nihilus failed to drain not only Exile but Marr and Mandalor as well.
Originally posted by Arhael
Remember, when I argued that Marek's power rivals Palpatine, everyone kept throwing "no match" quote from Complete Encyclopedia in my face. Now it's time for retalation.Here are proofs that Nihilus couldn't consume planets:
1. Complete Encyclopedia:
"It was rumored that he could consume the Force energy of an entire planet." - It's only a rumor.
Except that we see it occur in Unseen, Unheard.
Originally posted by Arhael
2. Complete Encyclopedia:
"Darth Nihilus began his Jedi purge by obliterating the planet Katarr" - It doesn't say that he Force drained the planet.
'How did [Nihilus] destroy her homeworld.'
'It is a technique almost as old as the Sith itself.... it is a means of severing the connections between life, the Force, and feeding on the death it brings.'
'And he used it to kill an entire planet?!'
'Yes, and he fed upon it's destruction. It will sustain him... for a time.'
Originally posted by Arhael
3. Complete Encyclopedia:
"In the meantime, Darth Nihilus led his Sith forces from his flagship, Ravager, drawing more and more power from worlds that [b]he blasted into ruin." - This is too specific to be interpreted as consuming planets. Force drain doesn't blast ANYTHING into ruins, however, orbital bombardment does precisely that. In other words Nihilus did the same thing as Kueller - one of Luke's fallen Jedi. He initiated mass killings without Force use and fed on anguish of sudden death of others.[/b]
As we see in Unseen, Unheard Nihilus' attack razed the planets surface. Also you missed out where it says he was 'drawing more and more power from worlds.' What power do you think thats refering to? The power of love?
Originally posted by Arhael
Proves that Meetra was not Force wound:1. 00:10-00:20
YouTube video - Meetra gets Force drained by Traya.
Non-canon as its the darkside ending.
Also its possible that Kreia incapacitated the Exile through their Force Bond.
Originally posted by Arhael
2. Complete Encyclopedia:
"On the mission to destroy Telos, Darth Nihilus finally was confronted by the Exile and her team.
[b]Although Darth Nihilus managed to stun the Exile, he was unprepared for the devotion of his former pupil Marr to the young woman. Marr tried to exchange her life for that of the Exile, giving the former Jedi time to recover. Together, they confronted Darth Nihilus. The Sith Lord was no match for their combined might, and he fell in battle." - Nihilus did not try to drain Meetra. He is not stated to be weakened, Marr simply gave Meetra time to recover. He was simply "no match for their combined might".[/b]
Except we see him attempt to drain her in the actual game.
Originally posted by Arhael
3. Revan novel:
"Once he had tried to reach out to her with the Force. Serving in battle with someone formed a special bond; even across the breadth of the galaxy he should have been able to get some vague sense of her presence" - As you see Meetra's ability to develop Force bonds is not the result of Wound in the Force. Revan had Force bond with he prior to Malacor V. Similarly Luke developed strong Force bond with Mara and that resulted in their relationship. New Order developed battle meld technique that allowed Jedi to merge minds and draw strength from each other. So there is nothing special with Meetra's ability to do that.
The Jedi Council mentions that the Exile had a special gift at forming Force Bonds with others even when she was a Jedi. However, her ability with that has gotten much stronger since then.
Originally posted by Arhael
4. Complete Encyclopedia:
"After the Jedi exile traveled to Onderon and defeated General Vaklu, Kreia realized that her "pupil" was growing in strength and would become a threat to her treumverate of power. [b]She tried to kill her on Dantooin, but fled." - This is prove that game story branch, where she saves Exile and kills masters, is non-canon. It, also, invalidates her only feat of giga drain making it non-canon as well.[/b]
Clearly non-canon as that's what happens in the darkside ending, which Revan establishes did not take place. Meetra Surik is canonically a Lightside practitioner.
Also as an aside that simply makes no goddamn sense since the Exile is completely helpless and unconscious in that scene. Kreia could have killed her any time she wanted. If she'd have tired to kill her she would have succeeded! Who wrote this thing?
Originally posted by Arhael
Moreover, there is no prove that someone could become Force wound.
I'm pretty sure that Chris Avellone, the writer of Kotor 2 has stated that she was a Force Wound in a interview.
Considering that your emo animations were eating my phone battery hell lot faster, YES. pissed
Except that we see it occur in Unseen, Unheard.
Also, it is from "Star Wars Tales". It is a story from point of view of Visas Marr. So it doesn't qualify as a proof.
'How did [Nihilus] destroy her homeworld.''It is a technique almost as old as the Sith itself.... it is a means of severing the connections between life, the Force, and feeding on the death it brings.'
'And he used it to kill an entire planet?!'
'Yes, and he fed upon it's destruction. It will sustain him... for a time.'
Also you missed out where it says he was 'drawing more and more power from worlds.' What power do you think thats refering to? The power of love?
Non-canon as its the darkside ending.
Except we see him attempt to drain her in the actual game.
The Jedi Council mentions that the Exile had a special gift at forming Force Bonds with others even when she was a Jedi. However, her ability with that has gotten much stronger since then.
Clearly non-canon as that's what happens in the darkside ending, which Revan establishes did not take place. Meetra Surik is canonically a Lightside practitioner.Also as an aside that simply makes no goddamn sense since the Exile is completely helpless and unconscious in that scene. Kreia could have killed her any time she wanted. If she'd have tired to kill her she would have succeeded! Who wrote this thing?
It's 100% canon, deal with it. (c) - Nephthys
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I'm pretty sure that Chris Avellone, the writer of Kotor 2 has stated that she was a Force Wound in a interview.
Originally posted by NephthysActually, I had been sleep deprived due to problems with my family. Stayed up all night in the ER, so I wasn't quite thinking at all yesterday.
Good point. Although this is a team fight, which is what I was more referring to, his companions aren't exactly slackers who'll let Bane to be triple-teamed.Apologies for ignoring this for so long.
Nowhere is it stated that Tutaminis can block all harmful techniques. You alluded to something yet havn't provided a single source or quote. Furthermore in your later post you indicate that there are actually unblockable techniques. So..... wtf?
I've proven that she has no reason to lie and that it would be illogical and detrimental for her to have done so. Just because you seem not to be capable of comprehending my arguments does not mean that they do not exist.
No, Kreia had no such plan. The Mandalorian's planned to blow up the Ravager. I'm not actually sure where you got the idea that Kreia had a plan to blow it up. Have you, perchance, been supping on moonjuice?
Y-You don't see where I'm getting Kreia's plans from? Despite the fact that I wrote out a very detailed breakdown of what she did and why she chose to do those things? Despite the fact that I very clearly explained everything to you?
a little. Something something not being mean something.Are you illiterate or did you just not read that post? Because it's on the very same page as this reply of yours. Why don't you read it again and this time [b]thinkUnless you mean how I know her overall plan to destroy the Force. In which case...... she tells you it. Duh. [/B]
I'll go back and read them, then get back to you on it. K? 😛
And you know, it ocurred to me that Katarr may not actually have burned. Its told from the viewpoint of Visas, and Miralukas see through the Force.... Is it possible she saw the actual wave of energy that was sucking the life from everything, and the only way she could comprehend it was as fire?
Originally posted by Pwned
Personally, I see them losing at Bane. With his orbalisks, he is nearly unstoppable. It would take one of the top 3 Force Users ever to take him out, IMO.
You've got Nomi boosted by battle meditation, and a numbers edge. I think that's close enough.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Good point. Although this is a team fight, which is what I was more referring to, his companions aren't exactly slackers who'll let Bane to be triple-teamed.
Since it's 4-on-1, *someone* is getting at least double teamed. And then once one sith falls, that'll be it.
Originally posted by Q99Personally, I see her as the only person who can really pose a threat. The Exile and Traya don't have too many feats for sabers, and it seems to me that the Exile is the Johun of this group XD
You've got Nomi boosted by battle meditation, and a numbers edge. I think that's close enough.Since it's 4-on-1, *someone* is getting at least double teamed. And then once one sith falls, that'll be it.
Regardless, I see a scenario similiar to Tython for them.
Originally posted by Pwned
Personally, I see her as the only person who can really pose a threat. The Exile and Traya don't have too many feats for sabers, and it seems to me that the Exile is the Johun of this group XD
Exile was better than Sion with sabers, wasn't she? And Nihilus?
Even if she's the Johun of this group, she's waaaay better than their Johun 🙂
Johun wasn't even master level and Exile walks around with three sith lord heads on her belt.
Originally posted by Nephthys
'The sect of assassins that chase you feed on the Force... what he does is simply the pinnacle of what they could achieve, in time. And that is why they - and their techniques - must be wiped out.' - The Sith Assassins use the same technique as Nihilus. But I'm sure that just because the Exile, Nihilus and the Sith Assassin's [b]all use the same technique that it doesn't mean that Kreia does as well, right. 😉
I will not concede that there is no defense to the technique. Because in that entire schpheel Kreia did Kreia say there is no defense against the technique that they use. In fact now that I look at it when she says 'There are techniques within the force against which there is no defense' she is referring to sever force. In Kreia's Fall Nihlus does not use any draining techniques.
Recall that Kreia was refering to Nihilus stripping her of her own power when she said that the technique couldn't be blocked. Nihilus didn't use the technique to its full planet-sized might on her, did he? He did it subtly over time.
Except that is obviously not the same technique. Sever force is a different technique than Force Drain.
And you're point is entirely without merit. Kreia's words are 'There are techniques within the Force against which there is no defense.' She does not say 'There are techniques that when you reach a certain level they become impossible to block', she says 'techniques' period. As in the techniques she's talking about in their entirety have no defense.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sever_Force
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_drain
What Nihlus did is clearly Sever Force.
You have absolutely no evidence that its only Nihilus' technique that can't be blocked. None.
Sever force can't be blocked I agree. Rewatching Kreia's fall has made it pretty clear that he did not Force Drain her, but rather cut her off from the force.
At this point, I am merely humoring you. 😐
You can save the bravado Baras, no one is buying it.
And you somehow managed not to quote the part where I discussed the trifling matter of the orange laser.Basically you're just flat out wrong on the mechanics being different. We know that after Kreia killed the Master's their bodies were completely drained off the Force. Now watch this conversation on the Sith assassins and Nihilus:
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5.42 onwards.
Or you can read me spell it out for you:
"The sect of assassins that chase you feed on the Force... what he does is simply the pinnacle of what they could achieve, in time. And that is why they - and their techniques - must be wiped out. No one again must experience and learn what her master did."
"How are they able to drain the Force?'
" As much as one may use the Force to bolster the wills and strengths of others, the reverse is possible, though not often used. Instead of sending one's will through connections in the Force, instead such connections are drawn upon, fed upon, and drained completely."
"But all life is touched by the Force."
"Then you understand how terrible such a power is. And why it must be ended.It is an empty road to the dark side, and by traveling it, the price is death before one's time."
TL;DR, They drain the Force, and they drain it completely. AKA:
At the highest level it is unblockable, I agree. And I agree that Sever Force is unblockable.
If Darth Nihlus who has the most powerful TK in the verse force pushes someone, and no one can block against it, am I to assume some fodder Sith also can produce an unblockable TK?
Force techniques depend on the user.
As I have demonstrated, your logic is faulty. Therefore the fallacy doesn't exist.
This seems very fanwanky.
Being powerful doesn't make him well trained.No, I think he started to recover his memories including those to do with his Force Mastery.
Pfft, so? The study of tutaminis was taught during the very first classes at Jedi academies, as per The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force. It's not as if it was some uber rare technique. Yeah its harder to do with powerful techniques or against lightsabers, but its bullshit to think that not one of the Jedi Masters on Katarr knew how to do it.
And Shi-Cho is taught to all Padawans. That does not mean that they can all fight off General Grievous. It is not bullshit because again there have been two Jedi Masters in the whole damned Mythos who have been shown to be able to absorb and redirect lightning.
As I have proven, it is entirely illogical and against her best interests to be lying about this.
You've been entirely impotent at proving that they operate differently.
I've been as potent as I was during the night of your conception.
It says that Kota could do it in his database entry in the Force Unleashed as I recall. I'm not too sure about Plo Koon, but Obi-Wan did it in the RotS video game.
So you lied. Because I've played the ROTS video game and never saw Kenobi use it. And if he did it was against Anakin, who's usage of force lightning on Mustafar is non-canon.
Are you suggesting that Kreia isn't knowledgeable of a Force Shield?
And the absence of anything at all suggesting that it can be blocked.
He doesn't speak when he attempt to drain the Exile.
Gotta agree with you there. It should have been the Jedi Knight who was focused on all things to do with the Emperor and the Jedi Consular who was running around trying to stop a war and save dudes, dealing with the rest of the Sith.
And much of the Dark Council was shafted. I mean 4 of them are offed in Republic world arcs, not even heroics.
Well almost your entire argument is that 'she wasn't boosted when she used it'. Which is a stupid argument since you don't know if she was or not. In the end it's impossible to prove one way or the other.
I feel like my argument has gotten off track. Here is my argument.
In Kreia's fall which to my knowledge is the only time she says there are techniques against which there is no defense, Darth Nihlus cuts her off from the force. He uses force sever there, which makes sense there being no defense against that.
1. Kreia also discusses an advanced version of Force Drain that she uses against the Jedi Masters on Dantooine.
2. Darth Nihlus uses what appears closest to be Thought Bomb on Katarr.
3. Darth Nihlus uses an advanced version of Force Drain on the Exile and it fails.
4. Darth Nihlus uses Sever Force on Kreia
1 and 3 are the same.
1 and 2 are not, 1 and 4 are not, 4 and 3 are not.
Originally posted by Arhael
Considering that your emo animations were eating my phone battery hell lot faster, YES. pissed
Get a computer you hippie!
Originally posted by Arhael
Oh, yes. This comic is as canon as CW cartoon, where Yoda destroyed two starships of star destroyer size. Encyclopaedia overrides it in any case.
You mean, it actually is canon? Well yes I know that. Thanks for telling me anyway though. 👆
How does it override it? It doesn't say anything that contradicts it.
Originally posted by Arhael
Also, it is from "Star Wars [b]Tales". It is a story from point of view of Visas Marr. So it doesn't qualify as a proof.[/b]
The narration is from Visas, but not the images. There are images that Visas isn't anywhere near, so it couldn't be from her perspective. In fact, I've never heard of a first-person comic before.
Originally posted by Arhael
Traya is a liar. Krayt learned Force drain from Nihilus and he has never shown the abilty to kill with it. Also, when Krayt utilized the technique, it did not sever from the Force.
Everyone is a liar. In this case theres no reason for her to lie and we have evidence showing it happen.
Where is your proof that Krayt learned Force Drain from Nihilus? From what I recall his holocron wasn't exactly friendly with Krayt. Also Kreia explicitly says that Nihilus' technique cannot be taught.
Krayt knew Force Drain. That isn't the same technique.
Originally posted by Arhael
No I didn't miss anything. Kueller with use of detonators achieved simulanious death of everyone on Almania. He fed on death and anguish it caused getting more powerful. Same thing did many characters like Scourge, Sidious, Abeloth and many others. They all fed on emotions released into the Force upon death or suffering.
Except Kreia clearly explains that he killed it using the Force. Also we see him preparing to destroy Telos in the actual game.
Originally posted by Arhael
She was still Wound in the Force, game creator showed that it works on Exile. The game shows what could happen to Wounded character, it's all that matters.
No they didn't. They showed very clearly it not working when Nihilus attempts to drain her.
As for why Kreia was able to do it (in a non-canon portion of the game), as I said, Kreia has a Force Bond already with the Exile which could enable her to drain/cripple the Exile or whatever.
Originally posted by Arhael
Which is only one of several possibilities, which doesn't have to be selected. And Complete Encyclopaedia proves that it didn't happen.
Nihilus always attempts to drain the Exile. Always. And just because it doesn't mention it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Originally posted by Arhael
In other words Wound plays no role in it, that's exactly what I meant.
It has everything to do with it. The Exile is a Force Wound and cannot feel the Force herself, so she creates Force Bonds with everyone her, syphoning their power. The concept of Force Bonding is an absolutely key to the game.
Originally posted by Arhael
It comes from Complete Star Wars Encyclopidea where she is established as lightsider, which is newer canon that
says what really happened. It is, also, newer canon that overrides old one.
Again, it clashes with the events from Revan and is such non-canon. Revan is newer and thus that quote is non-canon. It's also clearly a mistake. These things simply happen in a continuity as large as the Star Wars mythos and can be simply taken in stride.
Originally posted by Arhael
I will remind you that he is not Lucas to take his opinion as canon. If it was canon, it would be documented in other material. There are plenty of encyclopaedias about characters and the Force. If Force Wound and Force drain that cannot be resisted without it were real things, then at list one source would document it.
Avellone wrote the ****ing game. His opinion is canon for what occurs in it.
Anyway, I did some digging. I thought I remembered them calling you a Wound and I was right:
“Their lives still scream across the surface of that dead planet - and within you. To hear the Force over such pain... it is not possible. It was too much for any Jedi to endure... and it is a wonder that you did not die there when thousands perished, all those you had fought with and struggled with.”
...
“When you returned to us, we saw what had happened. You carry all those deaths at Malachor within you, and it has left a hole, a hunger that cannot be filled.”
And then later:
'Why me, there are other Jedi you could use?'
"No, there were not. In times past and in times future, there are Jedi who will stop listening to the Force, those that will try to forget it, but maintain unconscious ties. And those, as in the past just as I, who have had the force stripped from them."
Boom mother****er.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I will not concede that there is no defense to the technique.
Well then this discussion is pointless since you've made up your mind and stuck your head in the ground over it.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Because in that entire schpheel Kreia did Kreia say there is no defense against the technique that they use. In fact now that I look at it when she says 'There are techniques within the force against which there is no defense' she is referring to sever force. In Kreia's Fall Nihlus does not use any draining techniques.
"Darth Traya teaches the newly christened Darth Nihilus to harness his life-draining gift to radical heights -- so effectively, in fact, that Nihilus saps Traya's powers in a calculated double cross." -- KotOR Campaign Guide, page 160.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Except that is obviously not the same technique. Sever force is a different technique than Force Drain.
"Darth Traya teaches the newly christened Darth Nihilus to harness his life-draining gift to radical heights -- so effectively, in fact, that Nihilus saps Traya's powers in a calculated double cross." -- KotOR Campaign Guide, page 160.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sever_Force
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_drain
"Darth Traya teaches the newly christened Darth Nihilus to harness his life-draining gift to radical heights -- so effectively, in fact, that Nihilus saps Traya's powers in a calculated double cross." -- KotOR Campaign Guide, page 160.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
What Nihlus did is clearly Sever Force.
"Darth Traya teaches the newly christened Darth Nihilus to harness his life-draining gift to radical heights -- so effectively, in fact, that Nihilus saps Traya's powers in a calculated double cross." -- KotOR Campaign Guide, page 160.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Sever force can't be blocked I agree.
You mean other than the fact that we see Exar Kun clearly resist it?
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Rewatching Kreia's fall has made it pretty clear that he did not Force Drain her, but rather cut her off from the force.
"Darth Traya teaches the newly christened Darth Nihilus to harness his life-draining gift to radical heights -- so effectively, in fact, that Nihilus saps Traya's powers in a calculated double cross." -- KotOR Campaign Guide, page 160.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
You can save the bravado Baras, no one is buying it.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
At the highest level it is unblockable, I agree. And I agree that Sever Force is unblockable.
It isn't Force Sever, and there's nothing indicating the Nihilus' technique only becomes unblockable at a high level.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The fallacy does exist. Your point that Kreia was trying to get the Exile to win/beat her is dubious at best.
What? The fallacy that you were initially referring to was that Kreia and Nihilus' techniques are the same. Not only have I proved that they are the same, but that no such fallacy exists as well.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Many Force bonds seem to be diminished by a significant enough distance. Like when Kreia fled to Malachor V her bond with the Exile broke.
It did?
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Your opinion not fact.
Well it seems to be the only one around here thats actually close to it.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
And Shi-Cho is taught to all Padawans. That does not mean that they can all fight off General Grievous. It is not bullshit because again there have been two Jedi Masters in the whole damned Mythos who have been shown to be able to absorb and redirect lightning.
And we are not talking about lightning are we, so how is that at all relevent?!
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
You proved nothing. Her name is Darth Traya, she is perhaps the biggest master of lies in the history of the Galaxy, rivaled only by Palpatine.
"They used to call the devil the father of lies. But for someone whose sin is meant to be pride, you'd think that lying would leave something of a sour taste. So my theory is that when the devil wants to get something out of you, he doesn't lie at all. He tells you the exact, literal truth. And he lets you find your own way to hell."
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I've been as potent as I was during the night of your conception.
So, non-existent?
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
So you lied. Because I've played the ROTS video game and never saw Kenobi use it. And if he did it was against Anakin, who's usage of force lightning on Mustafar is non-canon.
No, I'm merely telling you what Wookieepedia says.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I am saying may not have ever encountered a powerful user of Force shield like TOR:Revan Revan, or Yoda.
Yeah, because Kreia's never even heard of Revan. 😐
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Before AOTC we had never seen force lightning being blocked either. That didn't mean it couldn't be.
True, and I've never claimed that a defense is impossible. All I've said is that no such defense can be proven to exist.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Because he wasn't using his Thought Bomb.
Uh-huh. 😐
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
And much of the Dark Council was shafted. I mean 4 of them are offed in Republic world arcs, not even heroics.
Well a bunch of Jedi Council Members get taken out as well. At least 2 or 3 from the Jedi Knight story alone.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I feel like my argument has gotten off track. Here is my argument.
In Kreia's fall which to my knowledge is the only time she says there are techniques against which there is no defense, Darth Nihlus cuts her off from the force. He uses force sever there, which makes sense there being no defense against that.
Well he doesn't, so you're off to a great start here already.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
1. Kreia also discusses an advanced version of Force Drain that she uses against the Jedi Masters on Dantooine.
Oh so now you admit that its the same as the technique the other characters use, huh?
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
2. Darth Nihlus uses what appears closest to be Thought Bomb on Katarr.
Sure he does. ✅
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
3. Darth Nihlus uses an advanced version of Force Drain on the Exile and it fails.
Actually true (sort of). Well done! 👆
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
4. Darth Nihlus uses Sever Force on Kreia
.... not so true. 🙁
Originally posted by Pwned
Actually, I had been sleep deprived due to problems with my family. Stayed up all night in the ER, so I wasn't quite thinking at all yesterday.I'll go back and read them, then get back to you on it. K? 😛
Aaaaaaand now I feel like a prick. 🙁
I'm sorry, I hope whatever happened turns out alright in the end. You take as long as you need to, none of this stuff is as important as real life problems.