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Originally posted by Nephthys
Aaaaaaand now I feel like a prick. 🙁

I'm sorry, I hope whatever happened turns out alright in the end. You take as long as you need to, none of this stuff is as important as real life problems.

Its fine man, I didn't exactly say it aloud or anything.

My great grandmother lost the ability to walk for some reason, so I ended up staying in the waiting room all night. As far as I know, she is fine now as she was released being able to walk again. One of those random things life tosses at you, y'know? Just needing to keep an eye on her.

Yay!

Guilty feeling go bye bye.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Aaaaaaand now I feel like a prick.
Welcome to the team, Neph.

Noooooooooooooooo!

:darthvader:

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yay!

Guilty feeling go bye bye.

I enjoy that picture..... It made me laugh.... 😄

Adventure Time is the shit. 👆

Originally posted by Nephthys
Adventure Time is shit. 👆

Originally posted by Nephthys

"Darth Traya teaches the newly christened Darth Nihilus to harness his life-draining gift to radical heights -- so effectively, in fact, that Nihilus saps Traya's powers in a calculated double cross." -- KotOR Campaign Guide, page 160.


And yet she doesn't die, when everyone else is killed by it. Hmmm.


You mean other than the fact that we see Exar Kun clearly resist it?

A natural resisting doesn't count as a defense according to you. 💃


It's from the Sith Warrior story.


It isn't Force Sever, and there's nothing indicating the Nihilus' technique only becomes unblockable at a high level.

Yes there is. Comparing Kreia's force drain to Nihilus' is like comparing a turbolaser cannon to the Death Star.


What? The fallacy that you were initially referring to was that Kreia and Nihilus' techniques are the same. Not only have I proved that they are the same, but that no such fallacy exists as well.

You have proved nothing. Kreia is a liar, and she is the only source that says it is unblockable. Even the source books never say that. Character statements are fallacious by nature and can rarely be trusted from a Sith, let alone the self-proclaimed master of betrayal.


It did?

Yeah, did the Exile die when she killed Kreia?


Well it seems to be the only one around here thats actually close to it.

Of course you'd think that it's your opinion.


And we are not talking about lightning are we, so how is that at all relevent?!

Because you are saying. 'BS you're telling me none of the Jedi on Katarr knew how to use Tutaminis'. I'm simply saying that isn't farfetched.


"They used to call the devil the father of lies. But for someone whose sin is meant to be pride, you'd think that lying would leave something of a sour taste. So my theory is that when the devil wants to get something out of you, he doesn't lie at all. He tells you the exact, literal truth. And he lets you find your own way to hell."

Nice red herring you've got there.


So, non-existent?

If it was non-existent your mom wouldn't have popped you out. 😮‍💨


No, I'm merely telling you what Wookieepedia says.

The Wookiepedia is full of crap.


Yeah, because Kreia's never even heard of Revan. 😐

Kreia never met Revan post KOTOR. What's your point?


True, and I've never claimed that a defense is impossible. All I've said is that no such defense can be proven to exist.

Sure there has been. It's called Tutaminis.

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Uh-huh. 😐


Well a bunch of Jedi Council Members get taken out as well. At least 2 or 3 from the Jedi Knight story alone.

Only Orgus Din canonically. And sure. But there are 6 JC members. Out of the 12 Dark Council Members, Arho, Archanon, Vengean, Baras, Thanaton, Hadra, Decimus, Jadus, and Ekkage all die.


Well he doesn't, so you're off to a great start here already.

Oh so now you admit that its the same as the technique the other characters use, huh?

Sure he does. ✅

Actually true (sort of). Well done! 👆

.... not so true. 🙁

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
And yet she doesn't die, when everyone else is killed by it. Hmmm.

Weird right? My guess is that he didn't drain her completely of the Force. Recall that she could still make her lightsaber wobble in that flashback. Nihilus and Sion probably didn't actually want to kill her. I mean, they obviously could have if they wanted to right?

Although, there is another possibility. Do you recall where you first meet Kreia perchance? 😉

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
A natural resisting doesn't count as a defense according to you. 💃

You know what I mean. Kun just shrugged it off. Which either means that he was too powerful to be affected or that he did defend himself from it. Either wouldn't fit into what Kreia says.

Plus Nihilus didn't use Force Sever to shut up you butt.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
It's from the Sith Warrior story.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Yes there is. Comparing Kreia's force drain to Nihilus' is like comparing a turbolaser cannon to the Death Star.

So what? They do the same thing. One's just bigger than the other. Theres nothing indicating that it suddenly gains the unblockable perk after it reaches level 20.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
You have proved nothing. Kreia is a liar, and she is the only source that says it is unblockable. Even the source books never say that. Character statements are fallacious by nature and can rarely be trusted from a Sith, let alone the self-proclaimed master of betrayal.

You know nothing Mizukage Yoda. I proved that there's no reason for her to lie to the Exile since by the time the Exile fights her she'll know that's she's immune to the power. I also showed how if she was going to lie, she would have told her it could be blocked since she wants the Exile to challenge Nihilus. Theres absolutely nothing contradicting her story.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Yeah, did the Exile die when she killed Kreia?

You know Kreia was lying when she said that right? Pretty much anyone you ask about that says that they've never heard of a bond that strong.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Of course you'd think that it's your opinion.

An opinion thats supported by actual facts rather than baseless speculation. B*tch.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Because you are saying. 'BS you're telling me none of the Jedi on Katarr knew how to use Tutaminis'. I'm simply saying that isn't farfetched.

And as I told you, the study of tutaminis was taught during the very first classes at Jedi academies, as per The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force. So nyeh.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Nice red herring you've got there.

My point was that Kreia doesn't actually lie all that much in the game. In fact, I can only think of about, oh, 3 or 4 lies that she tells you. She admits to a lot of stuff that she could easily have just lied about.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
If it was non-existent your mom wouldn't have popped you out. 😮‍💨

I meant that you didn't even exist when I was concieved. I'm 74 yearz old mothafvcka!

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The Wookiepedia is full of crap.

Like your brain.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Kreia never met Revan post KOTOR. What's your point?

That she'd know if an advanced Tutaminis user could block the freaking technique.

And Revan didn't get that much more powerful. Is there some magic line where the technique goes from 'unblockable by Tutaminis' to 'oh completely blockable'. That doesn't make any goddamn sense. If the technique merely overpowers defenses then Kreia wouldn't say theres no defense since thats still defending against it, merely unsuccessfully. She isn't a retard, she'd know that if you theres even some resistence then a defense is possible.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Sure there has been. It's called Tutaminis.

NO IT ISN'T! YOU'RE JUST MAKING THAT UP COMPLETELY UNSUPPORTED BY ANY EVIDENCE YOU POOP!

Consider that the Sith Assassin's use the power all the time to sython power from their opponents. Do you honestly think that in not one of their battles a Jedi used a Force Defense? If their technique could be blocked, they would know about it.

Furthermore, the technique as we see it in Unseen, Unheard is a giant black smoke cloud. How the **** can Tutaminis block smoke? Tutaminis blocks energy, not freaking smoke.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Only Orgus Din canonically. And sure. But there are 6 JC members. Out of the 12 Dark Council Members, Arho, Archanon, Vengean, Baras, Thanaton, Hadra, Decimus, Jadus, and Ekkage all die.

The others were corrupted. So I don't think they'll still be on the Council any time soon.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

Heh, the mating call of the looooooooooooser!

Originally posted by Nephthys
Heh, the mating call of the [b]looooooooooooser! [/B]
Oh no you didn't just go there! Mmmmmmm, you callin' for some smack down boy.

Oh I'm callin' for it I just don't think he can bring it!

Originally posted by Nephthys
Weird right? My guess is that he didn't drain her completely of the Force. Recall that she could still make her lightsaber wobble in that flashback. Nihilus and Sion probably didn't actually want to kill her. I mean, they obviously could have if they wanted to right?

And yet Kreia also says he has no control of his power.


Although, there is another possibility. Do you recall where you first meet Kreia perchance? 😉

Please go on.


You know what I mean. Kun just shrugged it off. Which either means that he was too powerful to be affected or that he did defend himself from it. Either wouldn't fit into what Kreia says.

Plus Nihilus didn't use Force Sever to shut up you butt.

Of course it didn't work. In a contest of the force the one with the greater command always wins. Techniques or no.
And Jesus, I already said that Darth Nihlus' abilities are unblockable. But that is because of it being used by him. Shit his TK would be unblockable too since he can rip starships from a graveyard then hold an entire fleet together with sheer willpower.

I just wanted to make sure you knew.


So what? They do the same thing. One's just bigger than the other. Theres nothing indicating that it suddenly gains the unblockable perk after it reaches level 20.

Yes if you want to approach this like a caveman. What you are doing right now is essentially comparing a Force Hand grenade to a nuclear weapon. It is about as absurd as assuming that Darth Nihlus' technique operates under the same mechanics as Kreia's. Of course a planet wiping attack is unblockable. Of course a Telekinetic throw from a man who rips fleets Star Destroyers from orbit and keeps them space worthy by sheer will's Force Push will be unblockable.


You know nothing Mizukage Yoda. I proved that there's no reason for her to lie to the Exile since by the time the Exile fights her she'll know that's she's immune to the power. I also showed how if she was going to lie, she would have told her it could be blocked since she wants the Exile to challenge Nihilus. Theres absolutely nothing contradicting her story.

Your argument blunders under the assumption that Kreia knew that she would fight Darth Nihlus before her. And no, she would tell her that it cannot be blocked because she wants the Exile to gain enough power to challenge him. If she told the Exile. 'You are a hole in the force, and cannot be stopped by him.' What exactly would stop Meetra from charging to meet the Sith Lord at the edge of the galaxy.


You know Kreia was lying when she said that right? Pretty much anyone you ask about that says that they've never heard of a bond that strong.

No that is simply incorrect. In the deleted scenes Lonna Vash explains it.
"The bond can be broken in many ways. If one falls to the Dark Side, the bond may fade and eventually break. This is why, when gripped with fear, Kaah was unable to feel our bond. He assumed I was dead. "


An opinion thats supported by actual facts rather than baseless speculation. B*tch.

An opinion supported by fallacy filled character statements. Oh yes very impressive. Your opinion is supported by nothing but...oh let's guess at this one? MORE OPINION.


And as I told you, the study of tutaminis was taught during the very first classes at Jedi academies, as per The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force. So nyeh.

Post the direct quote.


My point was that Kreia doesn't actually lie all that much in the game. In fact, I can only think of about, oh, 3 or 4 lies that she tells you. She admits to a lot of stuff that she could easily have just lied about.

Of course you don't know what she lies about. She wouldn't be much of a Darth Traya otherwise.


I meant that you didn't even exist when I was concieved. I'm 74 yearz old mothafvcka!

I am a hundred and four and have fathered many.


Like your brain.

Who's the bigger fool? The fool or the fool who follows him?


That she'd know if an advanced Tutaminis user could block the freaking technique.

Prove Revan pre-TOR:Revan could use Tutaminis.

And Revan didn't get that much more powerful. Is there some magic line where the technique goes from 'unblockable by Tutaminis' to 'oh completely blockable'. That doesn't make any goddamn sense. If the technique merely overpowers defenses then Kreia wouldn't say theres no defense since thats still defending against it, merely unsuccessfully. She isn't a retard, she'd know that if you theres even some resistence then a defense is possible.

It makes perfect sense. A technique wielded by one of the most powerful force users to date is of course going to be unblockable. It has been made clear many times in the series that the power of a technique depends on the user.
Force Push can hurl an opponent backwards, or destroy him at a molecular level. Clearly the latter would be harder to counter.
Force lightning can simply singe one's robe, or reduce them to a pile of ash. Clearly the latter would be harder to counter.
Force drain can kill a handful of Jedi or destroy a planet. Clearly the latter would be harder to counter.
Do you see a pattern here? Even if they are the same technique IN NAME. You are arguing semantics here.
'There are some weapons against which there is no defense.'
Then drop a 100 Gigaton bomb. That does not magically mean that I meant that 2 Kiloton bombs are impossible to defend against.


NO IT ISN'T! YOU'RE JUST MAKING THAT UP COMPLETELY UNSUPPORTED BY ANY EVIDENCE YOU POOP!

Consider that the Sith Assassin's use the power all the time to sython power from their opponents. Do you honestly think that in not one of their battles a Jedi used a Force Defense? If their technique could be blocked, they would know about it.

Of course a Jedi wouldn't notice the sudden slow syphoning of their power. However if the assassins shot an orange beam at a sufficiently skilled user of tutaminis.


Furthermore, the technique as we see it in Unseen, Unheard is a giant black smoke cloud. How the **** can Tutaminis block smoke? Tutaminis blocks energy, not freaking smoke.

Do you pay attention or are you just trolling? MY ENTIRE POINT IS WHAT NIHLIUS DOES IN UNSEEN AND UNHEARD IS DIFFERENT. Tutaminis cannot block that.


The others were corrupted. So I don't think they'll still be on the Council any time soon.

Big deal. Tol Braga and Kaedan are great losses, but Syo Bakarn is sacrificed for the Firs Son being contained forever. Satele Shan is still alive and well, and so is Bela Kiwiks, and the Barsen'thor. Orgus Din was weak.


Heh, the mating call of the looooooooooooser!

The game continues!

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Please go on.

I'm too tired to respond to the rest, but remember that she was in a morgue and if you click on her it says that she's dead.

I'm also sure that I remember something about there being an in game explanation for why your allies can die in gameplay and just stand up again when the fight ends. As in, the Exile can bring people back to life if she has a Force Bond with them.

Get a computer you hippie!
Not allowed to use it at work!

The narration is from Visas, but not the images. There are images that Visas isn't anywhere near, so it couldn't be from her perspective. In fact, I've never heard of a first-person comic before.

Images are to boost your imagination and they don't give much explanation anyway. In particular Force drain doesn't ravage surface and doesn't break buildings.
"Days later I woke up on his ship, my wounds healed." - Force drain DOES NOT inflict injuries. Also, if it was really Force drain oblitirating everything, she would not survive.

"When my lord spoke, every living thing on Kattar died.
" - Mandalor does not agree.

And I've already given canon proof that he didn't destroy planets with Force drain, he "blasted" them "into ruin". You can't discard canon statements.

Also, the fact that Traya got severed from the Force and didn't die goes against your assumption.

Also Kreia explicitly says that Nihilus' technique cannot be taught.
And Jedi said that it is an entient Sith technique and something like "you taught it to them".
We have opinion of both Jedi and Sith and no proof for either.

Krayt knew Force Drain. That isn't the same technique.

WTF? Nihilus was draining Force energy from others. Krayt was doing exactly the same thing. What you mean it's not the same technique?

Except Kreia clearly explains that he killed it using the Force. Also we see him preparing to destroy Telos in the actual game.

Except her words don't prove it is true. Except she wasn't there, when it happened.
Except even Visas doesn't know what really happened: "It is said there were no survivors on Katarr.".

Except we don't see Nihilus in actual game preparing to destroy Telos, we see his fleet approaching Telos and him waiting on the bridge.

No they didn't. They showed very clearly it not working when Nihilus attempts to drain her.

As for why Kreia was able to do it (in a non-canon portion of the game), as I said, Kreia has a Force Bond already with the Exile which could enable her to drain/cripple the Exile or whatever.


Not working, when Nihilus attempts and, yet, works, when Traya does it. You try to explain it by assumptions. But it is well established that characters are not immune to any powers, one time they succeed in blocking a Force attack, another - fail.

Nihilus always attempts to drain the Exile. Always. And just because it doesn't mention it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Wrong.
YouTube video
As you see, if you don't offer, he doesn't drain. Also, Mandalor doesn't agree with your assumption.

It has everything to do with it. The Exile is a Force Wound and cannot feel the Force herself, so she creates Force Bonds with everyone her, syphoning their power. The concept of Force Bonding is an absolutely key to the game.

She couldn't feel the Force because she severed herself from it. And Force bonds cannot be formed, if she is still severed.

Also, she severed herself from the Force not because she became Force wound.

And she is not the only one who got severed and later restored connection, same happened to Kallista, Jacen and Ben.

Again, it clashes with the events from Revan and is such non-canon. Revan is newer and thus that quote is non-canon. It's also clearly a mistake. These things simply happen in a continuity as large as the Star Wars mythos and can be simply taken in stride.

No it doesn't clash with Revan's canon in any way whatsoever.

Meetra:
"Jedi Exile an ancient Jedi warrior...
...
After finding all the surviving Jedi Masters and getting them to regroup on Dantooine, the Exile was dismayed to learn that Kreia was not the Jedi Master she claimed to be.
"

Traya:
"After the Jedi Exile traveled to Onderon and defeated General Vaklu, Kreia realized that her "pupil" was growing in strength and would become a threat to her triumverate of power. She tried to kill her on Dantooine, but fled."

NONE of the above contradicts Revan's story, your attempt to discard it is indeed desperate.

Avellone wrote the ****ing game. His opinion is canon for what occurs in it.

Anyway, I did some digging. I thought I remembered them calling you a Wound and I was right:

And then later:


All quotes you provided are interpretations of what Jedi and Kreia feel in Meetra. Obviously war and vicinity to immence Force disturbance would leave a psychical trauma that would be felt by others. What Jedi say contradicts Kreia and vise versa depending on character choices. Meetra severs herself from the Force. Nihilus becomes hungry and starts draining others. Kyp Durron doesn't have either effect. There is no consistent effect that would define Force Wound effects.

As I said there is no canon prove that someone can become Force Wound and as result drain Force from others.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
And yet Kreia also says he has no control of his power.

An exaggeration. Nihilus spared Visas remember?

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Of course it didn't work. In a contest of the force the one with the greater command always wins. Techniques or no.
And Jesus, I already said that Darth Nihlus' abilities are unblockable. But that is because of it being used by him. Shit his TK would be unblockable too since he can rip starships from a graveyard then hold an entire fleet together with sheer willpower.

Well then that doesn't make it unblockable then! Also, the Sith Assassin's use the technique on someone regardless of command of the Force. No-one shrugs off them like Exar Kun did. Also, bullshit, someone can't just shrug off an attack just because he has superior command of the Force. You don't see Yoda just standing there and letting Ventress Force Push him to no effect. Thats never happened anywhere else.

Yeah, well Nihilus isn't in this thread and I won't be satisfied until you admit that Kreia's technique, which is the same as Nihilus', is unblockable too!

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Yes if you want to approach this like a caveman. What you are doing right now is essentially comparing a Force Hand grenade to a nuclear weapon. It is about as absurd as assuming that Darth Nihlus' technique operates under the same mechanics as Kreia's. Of course a planet wiping attack is unblockable. Of course a Telekinetic throw from a man who rips fleets Star Destroyers from orbit and keeps them space worthy by sheer will's Force Push will be unblockable.

And yet in the end they both blow things up. And just as you can block a grenade with, say, a wall, so too can you block a nuclear weapon with a bomb shelter. But comparing it to the technique at hand that isn't an absurd comparison. Not to you anyway, seeing as a nuke and a grenade work in completely different ways. From your perspective its actually a rather apt comparison.

You're still wrong though. Nihilus and Kreia use the same technique. Theres nothing suggesting they operate differently.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Your argument blunders under the assumption that Kreia knew that she would fight Darth Nihlus before her.

That isn't an assumption. As I've shown, Kreia carefully manipulated events in order to get the Exile to fight Nihilus, as she admits in the final confrontation.

"So you used me to get revenge on Sion and the others."

"I used you to keep the Lords of the Sith from condemning the galaxy to death with their power unchecked."

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
And no, she would tell her that it cannot be blocked because she wants the Exile to gain enough power to challenge him. If she told the Exile. 'You are a hole in the force, and cannot be stopped by him.' What exactly would stop Meetra from charging to meet the Sith Lord at the edge of the galaxy.

Well the repeated warnings that Nihilus is bookalooka CRAZY powerful of course.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
No that is simply incorrect. In the deleted scenes Lonna Vash explains it.
"The bond can be broken in many ways. If one falls to the Dark Side, the bond may fade and eventually break. This is why, when gripped with fear, Kaah was unable to feel our bond. He assumed I was dead."

Pfft, deleted scene. Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft! 🙄

And who teh **** is Kaah?

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
An opinion supported by fallacy filled character statements. Oh yes very impressive. Your opinion is supported by nothing but...oh let's guess at this one? MORE OPINION.

That's a hell of a lot more than you've got!

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Post the direct quote.

I'm contacting a friend (my sexual warlord Gideon) who might have the book so I can check it.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Of course you don't know what she lies about. She wouldn't be much of a Darth Traya otherwise.

Betraying someone doesn't mean lying to them. But I can see that you're just going to arbitrarily distrust her even when she has no reason to lie, aren't you?

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Who's the bigger fool? The fool or the fool who follows him?

YouTube video

In tarot the Fool is the most powerful card btw. The Fool is King.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Prove Revan pre-TOR:Revan could use Tutaminis.

He had no way to learn it after Revan, therefore he must have learned it before. And all of the places of study that Revan had access to, so did Kreia.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
It makes perfect sense. A technique wielded by one of the most powerful force users to date is of course going to be unblockable. It has been made clear many times in the series that the power of a technique depends on the user.
Force Push can hurl an opponent backwards, or destroy him at a molecular level. Clearly the latter would be harder to counter.
Force lightning can simply singe one's robe, or reduce them to a pile of ash. Clearly the latter would be harder to counter.
Force drain can kill a handful of Jedi or destroy a planet. Clearly the latter would be harder to counter.
Do you see a pattern here? Even if they are the same technique IN NAME. You are arguing semantics here.
'There are some weapons against which there is no defense.'
Then drop a 100 Gigaton bomb. That does not magically mean that I meant that 2 Kiloton bombs are impossible to defend against.

None of that would make the technique impossible to counter. It would make it difficult to counter, but not impossible. Kreia, the woman who claimed that modern Force Users are but children compared to their ancestors, would know this. Your logic is flawed.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Of course a Jedi wouldn't notice the sudden slow syphoning of their power. However if the assassins shot an orange beam at a sufficiently skilled user of tutaminis.

Did I say they had to notice it? I just said that they would have used a Force defense.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Do you pay attention or are you just trolling? MY ENTIRE POINT IS WHAT NIHLIUS DOES IN UNSEEN AND UNHEARD IS DIFFERENT. Tutaminis cannot block that.

IT'S. THE. SAME. ****ING. TECHNIQUE!

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Big deal. Tol Braga and Kaedan are great losses, but Syo Bakarn is sacrificed for the Firs Son being contained forever. Satele Shan is still alive and well, and so is Bela Kiwiks, and the Barsen'thor. Orgus Din was weak.

That's still four of them gone. Sure the Sith lost more, but they had more to begin with.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The game continues!

Don't flatter yourself, you were never even a player.

Yes if you want to approach this like a caveman. What you are doing right now is essentially comparing a Force Hand grenade to a nuclear weapon. It is about as absurd as assuming that Darth Nihlus' technique operates under the same mechanics as Kreia's. Of course a planet wiping attack is unblockable. Of course a Telekinetic throw from a man who rips fleets Star Destroyers from orbit and keeps them space worthy by sheer will's Force Push will be unblockable.
If you talk about power difference between Nihilus and Traya, then what was the point in saying that they use different techniques?

Originally posted by Arhael
Images are to boost your imagination and they don't give much explanation anyway. In particular Force drain doesn't ravage surface and doesn't break buildings.
"Days later I woke up on his ship, my wounds healed." - Force drain DOES NOT inflict injuries. Also, if it was really Force drain oblitirating everything, she would not survive.

Nihilus' technique is not Force Drain. Force Drain does not leave absences in the Force. Theres no contradiction here. Nor is there any indication that the images show anything other than the real events of the story.

And Visas could have gotten the injuries in any number of ways from wondering around the ruins of Katarr or from falling debris.

Originally posted by Arhael
"When my lord spoke, every living thing on Kattar died.
" - Mandalor does not agree.

And I've already given canon proof that he didn't destroy planets with Force drain, he "blasted" them "into ruin". You can't discard canon statements.

And how is Mandalore's opinion relevent? It's not as if he was on Katarr, or that Mandalore said that in the first place. That's Visas' quote.

You've given proof of nothing.

Originally posted by Arhael
Also, the fact that Traya got severed from the Force and didn't die goes against your assumption.

Nihilus spared her.

Originally posted by Arhael
And Jedi said that it is an entient Sith technique and something like "you taught it to them".
We have opinion of both Jedi and Sith and no proof for either.

Kreia says that its an ancient Sith technique actually. She also says that the technique can be learned through experiencing its effects first hand.

Originally posted by Arhael
WTF? Nihilus was draining Force energy from others. Krayt was doing exactly the same thing. What you mean it's not the same technique?

Simply that they aren't. Just because they do similar things doesn't make them the same thing. Nihilus' technique works in a different way than Force Drain.

Originally posted by Arhael
Except her words don't prove it is true. Except she wasn't there, when it happened.

She trained him in the techniques use. She'd know what he can do better than anyone except himself. Plus Visas confirms her words.

Originally posted by Arhael
Except even Visas doesn't know what really happened: "It is said there were no survivors on Katarr.".

Whoever said that was wrong.

Originally posted by Arhael
Except we don't see Nihilus in actual game preparing to destroy Telos, we see his fleet approaching Telos and him waiting on the bridge.

No, we see him there preparing to consume it, as he consumed Katarr and many other worlds.

Originally posted by Arhael
Not working, when Nihilus attempts and, yet, works, when Traya does it. You try to explain it by assumptions. But it is well established that characters are not immune to any powers, one time they succeed in blocking a Force attack, another - fail.

Kreia only does it in a non-canon cutscene. I'm not assuming anything. I'm just informing you about why its not a contradiction.

Originally posted by Arhael
Wrong.
YouTube video
As you see, if you don't offer, he doesn't drain. Also, Mandalor doesn't agree with your assumption.

Very well, I'll admit my mistake. However that still does not make it non-canon. As I said, simply because the quote fails to mention it does not mean it didn't happen.

Originally posted by Arhael
She couldn't feel the Force because she severed herself from it. And Force bonds cannot be formed, if she is still severed.

Clearly they can. 🙂

Originally posted by Arhael
Also, she severed herself from the Force not because she became Force wound.

Correct, she became a Force Wound because she severed herself from the Force.

Originally posted by Arhael
And she is not the only one who got severed and later restored connection, same happened to Kallista, Jacen and Ben.

None of those severed themselves so completely that they created a Wound in the Force.

Originally posted by Arhael
No it doesn't clash with Revan's canon in any way whatsoever.

Meetra:
"[b]Jedi Exile
an ancient Jedi warrior...
...
After finding all the surviving Jedi Masters and getting them to regroup on Dantooine, the Exile was dismayed to learn that Kreia was not the Jedi Master she claimed to be.
"

Traya:
"After the Jedi Exile traveled to Onderon and defeated General Vaklu, Kreia realized that her "pupil" was growing in strength and would become a threat to her triumverate of power. She tried to kill her on Dantooine, but fled."

NONE of the above contradicts Revan's story, your attempt to discard it is indeed desperate.[/b]

Oh, but that clashes absolutely with Revan's story and indeed with itself. Kreia only blasts the Exile if the Jedi Master's aren't even present, in the darkside path. Which everything confirms is not the canon one. You can't have your cake and eat it to. You can't post the non-canon version of events and expect it to back up whats written in the sourcebook taht clearly contradicts that scene.

Originally posted by Arhael
All quotes you provided are interpretations of what Jedi and Kreia feel in Meetra. Obviously war and vicinity to immence Force disturbance would leave a psychical trauma that would be felt by others. What Jedi say contradicts Kreia and vise versa depending on character choices. Meetra severs herself from the Force. Nihilus becomes hungry and starts draining others. Kyp Durron doesn't have either effect. There is no consistent effect that would define Force Wound effects.

As I said there is no canon prove that someone can become Force Wound and as result drain Force from others.

If you're just going to ignore all the evidence I provide for you then I'm not even going to bother to reply anymore.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, we see him there preparing to consume it, as he consumed Katarr and many other worlds.
(emphasis mine) Just nitpicking here, but if you are going to use this sentence as evidence, it automatically concedes that he can't destroy a planet with just a word, which considering how its pretty much his only unblockable technique, drops him on the power scale quit a bit.

Good point. To correct myself, I believe he was confused as to why there weren't actually any Jedi on Telos.

Mizukage, after being claimed repeatedly by him, Gideon has seen fit to provide the quote I asked for:

"As Jedi Initiates, you will learn and hone many abilities that draw upon the Force. These abilities follow three themes: Control, Sense, and Alter. Control is centered on one's own body and is the focus of training for Initiates. If you cannot remain in control of yourself, you will never be able to extend the Force and command your surrounding environment. Sense and Alter abilities will be the focus of your training later, when you are more skilled.

The abilities that fall under the discipline of Control are basic skills, but improvement on these skills is necessary for the remainder of your life. Used properly, your Control abilities will allow you to survive injury and decay, extending your service to the Order by decades.

Tutaminis, or energy absorption, is the ability to channel or diffuse potentially harmful radiation by using the benevolent energy of the Force. It can be as simple as shielding the skin from excessive sunlight, or as advanced as deflecting a blaster bolt with an outstretched palm--something that not even I have mastered."

--pg 26