America's Shield vs Galactus' Armor
OK so there has been a lot of discussion about which one is tougher, Captain America's nearly indestructible shield, and Galactus' nearly indestructible armor. Which of these two objects are more durable at base levels? When I say base levels, I mean without amplification.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Good luck determining Galactus' "base" levels.
Well not really, because Galactus typically hangs out at around the 25-50 foot range to conserve energy, and only becomes larger than planets in special circumstances. I could be a bit off in terms of size, but I'm sure that most will understand my meaning.
Originally posted by Stoic
This is a very compelling scan. Are there any of Thanos hitting the shield without anything amplifying his physical stats? Lol Zop you came out swinging.
Mindless Thanos (newly reborn/weakened state) smashing down on Major Victory's shield. Even at a weakened state, Thanos was still quite powerful. Three very powerful telepaths(Moondragon, Mantis, Cosmo) couldn't do anything psionically, Gamora's blade "Godslayer" which was nigh indestructible broke on his skin, and a cosmic cube no less was the only thing that worked to knock him out. It didn't even kill him. Comic inconsistencies for the win.
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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Mindless Thanos (newly reborn/weakened state) smashing down on Major Victory's shield. Even at a weakened state, Thanos was still quite powerful. Three very powerful telepaths(Moondragon, Mantis, Cosmo) couldn't do anything psionically, Gamora's blade "Godslayer" which was nigh indestructible broke on his skin, and a cosmic cube no less was the only thing that worked to knock him out. It didn't even kill him. Comic inconsistencies for the win.
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Do you recall the Sentry (Not Sentroid or Voidtry) wrestling against the pressures of a Cosmic Cube attempting to free itself from his grasp? Draw your own conclusions on where I'm going with that. Here's a hint, Sentry would not be able to crack that shield.
it's a strange issue, and one that opens a lot of other similar issues. the 2 things are almost impossible to fairly compare imo. the entire history of the shield is based on its unbreakability. when the shield is damaged or broken, it is usually associated with some sort of major event--it's one of those 'holy f***' moments that indicates there was a massive power used. i think the shield has actually been nerfed in recent years, but that's just my opinion.
in contrast, if g's armor is damaged, readers (at least myself) take it in stride. it isn't a means of defence, as much as it is a costume, or containment suit. has it withstood greater cosmic forces than the shield? yeah, i think that is safe to say. the best feats for the shield i can recall off-hand are withstanding krona's blast (i think it was krona who blasted kal when he had it, and the same krona who beat down galactus (did he wreck g's armour in his attack?)), and taking korvac's power (iirc) in the avengers. i'm sure there must be others but for some reason i can't think of any.
still, g's armor has been through greater battles (like the beyonder) and survived. but again, not sure it's a great comparison. the armour also keeps him from appearing naked, so it will always survive. like hulk's pants. 😄
galan made some great and fair points in that other thread about a desire to compare higher durability feats and there WAS an awful lot of dodging by several people when he asked for the higher order comparisons. but is g's armor based on his power levels? the armour is certainly thicker. too many variables. the shield is renowned for its durability. g's armour is not. that of course doesn't mean shield>armour but the shield does not suffer from all the variables i mentioned. if push came to shove, i would say the shield is likely stronger in general, but given the nature of galactus himself, i see no reason to think the armour can't fluctuate in levels and we can't dismiss the high showings of the armour to survive conflicts that would likely have destroyed the shield. i just tend to see that as more related to the nature of galactus himself, than the armour in particular. if that makes sense.
Originally posted by leonidas
it's a strange issue, and one that opens a lot of other similar issues. the 2 things are almost impossible to fairly compare imo. the entire history of the shield is based on its unbreakability. when the shield is damaged or broken, it is usually associated with some sort of major event--it's one of those 'holy f***' moments that indicates there was a massive power used. i think the shield has actually been nerfed in recent years, but that's just my opinion.in contrast, if g's armor is damaged, readers (at least myself) take it in stride. it isn't a means of defence, as much as it is a costume, or containment suit. has it withstood greater cosmic forces than the shield? yeah, i think that is safe to say. the best feats for the shield i can recall off-hand are withstanding krona's blast (i think it was krona who blasted kal when he had it, and the same krona who beat down galactus (did he wreck g's armour in his attack?)), and taking korvac's power (iirc) in the avengers. i'm sure there must be others but for some reason i can't think of any.
still, g's armor has been through greater battles (like the beyonder) and survived. but again, not sure it's a great comparison. the armour also keeps him from appearing naked, so it will always survive. like hulk's pants. 😄
galan made some great and fair points in that other thread about a desire to compare higher durability feats and there WAS an awful lot of dodging by several people when he asked for the higher order comparisons. but is g's armor based on his power levels? the armour is certainly thicker. too many variables. the shield is renowned for its durability. g's armour is not. that of course doesn't mean shield>armour but the shield does not suffer from all the variables i mentioned. if push came to shove, i would say the shield is likely stronger in general, but given the nature of galactus himself, i see no reason to think the armour can't fluctuate in levels and we can't dismiss the high showings of the armour to survive conflicts that would likely have destroyed the shield. i just tend to see that as more related to the nature of galactus himself, than the armour in particular. if that makes sense.
That makes lot's of sense to me. And where was this post when all of that fuss about the subject was going down?
*sighs* People are still using the lowest possible showing of G's armor in THIS thread, too?
Let's start with this...
Galactus teleports into a star going nova, without his armor being breached in the slightest:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Durability/galactusnova.jpg
Has the shield tanked forces comparable to a TRUE nova? If so, we'll move on to other medium/high-end feats. If not, the debate ends here.
Originally posted by Galan007
*sighs* People are still using the lowest possible showing of G's armor in THIS thread, too?Let's start with this...
Galactus teleports into a star going nova, without his armor being breached in the slightest:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Durability/galactusnova.jpgHas the shield tanked forces comparable to a TRUE nova? If so, we'll move on to other medium/high-end feats. If not, the debate ends here.
but in the same arc it shows Thanos cracking his armor, by leaving micro cracks all along his chest plate, and his helmet was all cracked up. Two things would need to be proven.
1. That Galactus was not shielding himself from the exposure of the nova.
2. Proving that the shield would not survive the exposure unscathed.
You know what I mean?
Originally posted by zopzop
And then there's this, keep in mind Thor had a GAPING wound at the time :
I don't see him doing that to Cap's shield.
It was a space-time wound that didn't seem to really diminish his fighting capability.
But still, at base levels it's harder to break the shield than the armor.
Here's a hint, Sentry would not be able to crack that shield.
He could if he used matter manipulation
Originally posted by StoicEven though Starlin's interpretation of Galactus was laughable, Thanos is no less than a trans-tier being. Newb King Thor was also a trans-tier being, and he dented Cap's shield with a mere swat(no energy attacks were required.) See what I'm saying?
but in the same arc it shows Thanos cracking his armor, by leaving micro cracks all along his chest plate, and his helmet was all cracked up. Two things would need to be proven.1. That Galactus was not shielding himself from the exposure of the nova.
2. Proving that the shield would not survive the exposure unscathed.You know what I mean?
If it wasn't stated that G was shielding himself from the nova(which it wasn't) then it's illogical to assume he was. Therefore, I don't really need to prove anything.
Listen, I'm not denying that G's armor has lower-end showings. I am simply saying that when you take into consideration ALL of the armor's showings, it has historically tanked much higher-level of attacks than the shield. That much cannot be argued. If you disagree, then please post the most powerful force the shield has tanked, and we'll go from there. I urge you not to dodge this question like everyone else has.
Originally posted by Galan007
Even though Starlin's interpretation of Galactus was laughable, Thanos is no less than a trans-tier being. Newb King Thor was also a trans-tier being, and he dented Cap's shield with a mere swat(no energy attacks were required.) See what I'm saying?If it wasn't stated that G was shielding himself from the nova(which it wasn't) then it's illogical to assume he was. Therefore, I don't really need to prove anything.
Listen, I'm not denying that G's armor has lower-end showings. I am simply saying that when you take into consideration ALL of the armor's showings, it has historically tanked much higher-level of attacks than the shield. That much cannot be argued. If you disagree, then please post the most powerful force the shield has tanked, and we'll go from there. I urge you not to dodge this question like everyone else has.
1. Thanos was certainly a trans tier, but I disagree in concerns to King Thor, I believe that he was a lower level Sky Father. He always had the power, but not the experience. It's kind of like saying that a 1970s Wonder Man was a low meta due to his ineptitude at combat, or lack of expertise in terms concerning the martial arts. He still had the power to chuck 100 ton objects.
2. There is nothing to say that he was or was not shielding himself from the extreme temperatures of the star. I'll leave it at that.
3. Well as another poster pointed out, the shield has taken hits from Korvak, and other powerful forces that may raise a few eyebrows on it's recent showings. I believe that Marvel's recent upgrade of the shield and the Serpent cracking it wasn't a coincidence. Something to think on perhaps? Again I'm not dodging, I just can't recall the higher durability feats that the shield has tanked, but it does not mean that they don't exist, just that I am hard pressed to recite them. Read the above posts, and you will get your answers.
@ Galan. Read this.
Originally posted by leonidas
it's a strange issue, and one that opens a lot of other similar issues. the 2 things are almost impossible to fairly compare imo. the entire history of the shield is based on its unbreakability. when the shield is damaged or broken, it is usually associated with some sort of major event--it's one of those 'holy f***' moments that indicates there was a massive power used. i think the shield has actually been nerfed in recent years, but that's just my opinion.in contrast, if g's armor is damaged, readers (at least myself) take it in stride. it isn't a means of defence, as much as it is a costume, or containment suit. has it withstood greater cosmic forces than the shield? yeah, i think that is safe to say. the best feats for the shield i can recall off-hand are withstanding krona's blast (i think it was krona who blasted kal when he had it, and the same krona who beat down galactus (did he wreck g's armour in his attack?)), and taking korvac's power (iirc) in the avengers. i'm sure there must be others but for some reason i can't think of any.
still, g's armor has been through greater battles (like the beyonder) and survived. but again, not sure it's a great comparison. the armour also keeps him from appearing naked, so it will always survive. like hulk's pants. 😄
galan made some great and fair points in that other thread about a desire to compare higher durability feats and there WAS an awful lot of dodging by several people when he asked for the higher order comparisons. but is g's armor based on his power levels? the armour is certainly thicker. too many variables. the shield is renowned for its durability. g's armour is not. that of course doesn't mean shield>armour but the shield does not suffer from all the variables i mentioned. if push came to shove, i would say the shield is likely stronger in general, but given the nature of galactus himself, i see no reason to think the armour can't fluctuate in levels and we can't dismiss the high showings of the armour to survive conflicts that would likely have destroyed the shield. i just tend to see that as more related to the nature of galactus himself, than the armour in particular. if that makes sense.
Galactus' armor seems to fluctuate as he gets weaker... for an in comic explanation
But since it says base levels..
Galactus' armor after him and Mephisto were spitting enough power out at each other to destroy distant constellations:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Mephisto/ssjd617ye.jpg
His armor looks pretty ok after the Galactus Engine fight:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Cancerverse%20War/thanos_06_007-008.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Cancerverse%20War/thanos_06_016.jpg
His armor after the Scrier/Other fight (taking their shots, planets getting thrown at him, etc), and after taking an enhanced Godblast:
http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/?action=view¤t=ThorAnnual038.jpg
If the highest thing Cap has taken without getting broken is Korvac, then you can call this right now.
