Originally posted by Smurph
"Quantum field is no big deal, even Captain Atom can do that"Captain Atom, whose entire powerset is tied to the quantum field.
"Nbd if Captain Atom can do it" lol jfc
see my original reply to his query 😂 he even threw in the superman strawman. he really had no need to reply. I covered it all. thanks for finding that scan.
the other one says imprecate order but there's another that says implicate order. same thing different term by different writers.
this link has the scan I was thinking of. scroll down to TIME VISION
https://screenrant.com/silver-surfer-best-powers-explained-list/
regardless--ss can definitively see time different from almost every character in comics. 👆
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then surely it doesn't matter? If Flash can access the SF, under his own power....Surfer doing the same is also the same, no?Basically, it sounds like the Flashes can ALSO perceive past/present/future this way 👆
he also was shown capable of seeing past and future simultaneously in the annihilators scan indicating that--unlike anyone who has to enter the q-field--he's capable of seeing time very different WITHOUT having to leave this dimension. see the implicate order scan in the link I posted.
again--the main point was he can see time differently from almost every character. I feel the the support is enough to definitively make that claim, though I don't think in a match we can have ss predicting future events.
Originally posted by leonidas
he also was shown capable of seeing past and future simultaneously in the annihilators scan indicating that--unlike anyone who has to enter the q-field--he's capable of seeing time very different WITHOUT having to leave this dimension. see the implicate order scan in the link I posted.again--the main point was he can see time differently from almost every character. I feel the the support is enough to definitively make that claim, though I don't think in a match we can have ss predicting future events.
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I think maybe replied to this post is more accurate
Originally posted by leonidas
definitely an outlier. I wouldn't suggest that in a vs match he can see the future, obviously. I would say that it, and a couple other showings, do more than enough to suggest that ss sees time very differently from most though. which was the point of my original post (though I freely confess to not understanding why I phrased it the way I did. I do know I wouldn't have been making something up but not sure where I got the phrasing. if I had to guess, it's from the fact that he is able to perceive the implicate order, as he also demonstrated). would his ability to view time differently allow him to perceive flash? maybe. as I said, I don't think it's an unreasonable line of thinking, especially given his own speed feats.
Originally posted by Smurph
Why? That's the same standard that we apply to other characters. People were allllll over arguing IMPs back when Flash had done it one time.
IMP actually worked. Surfer seeing past, present and future doesn't work even in the same miniseries.
But also Surfer has shown it multiple times. The quantum field is one example. Or the scan where he says something about the universe imposing a chronological view but if you see it like he does you can see the recent past... whatever it was.
None of that shows he can see past, present and future simultaneously. He isn't Dr Manhattan.
You can quibble if you want about how precise his perceptions are but "he perceives time differently" is merely true. I'm not even arguing that he wins this thread, I just think your double standard is dumb.
This is the same bullshit as Surfer somehow able to see all weaknesses of every opponent ever despite never actually doing it. Laughable to say the least.
Originally posted by leonidas
😂you may not.
Originally posted by Smurph
"Quantum field is no big deal, even Captain Atom can do that"Captain Atom, whose entire powerset is tied to the quantum field.
"Nbd if Captain Atom can do it" lol jfc
Originally posted by leonidas
YES!! lol thanks man. my image folder has long since died but yep.👆
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then surely it doesn't matter? If Flash can access the SF, under his own power....Surfer doing the same is also the same, no?Basically, it sounds like the Flashes can ALSO perceive past/present/future this way 👆
Originally posted by leonidas
see my original reply to his query 😂 he even threw in the superman strawman. he really had no need to reply. I covered it all. thanks for finding that scan.the other one says imprecate order but there's another that says implicate order. same thing different term by different writers.
this link has the scan I was thinking of. scroll down to TIME VISION
https://screenrant.com/silver-surfer-best-powers-explained-list/
regardless--ss can definitively see time different from almost every character in comics. 👆
Originally posted by leonidas
he also was shown capable of seeing past and future simultaneously in the annihilators scan indicating that--unlike anyone who has to enter the q-field--he's capable of seeing time very different WITHOUT having to leave this dimension. see the implicate order scan in the link I posted.again--the main point was he can see time differently from almost every character. I feel the the support is enough to definitively make that claim, though I don't think in a match we can have ss predicting future events.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Pretty much everyone can by the way Surfer did it lol.
Time vision? Screenrant articles? What's next, buzzfeed?
As I said, it didn't even work in the same miniseries, he was wrecked by Wraith Queen by surprise in the same ****ing issue and Tempus in the next.
so, show me another character who can look simultaneously at the past and future as ss did in the annihilators scan. meaning he didn't leave this dimension to do it. even showing just one won't save you since you claim every other top tier can see time just like ss can. so show anyone replicating his feat. i'll wait. 🙂
as for screen rant 😂 obviously you'd focus on the link. the link leads to a perfectly relevant SCAN--as I said. wgaf if the scan is in imgg or a screen rant link 😂
and again a strawman that has zero bearing on what is being discussed. as predictable as a universal constant lol
to be clear--NO ONE IS ARGUING THE EFFICACY OF THE ABILITY here so stop saying how effective YOU feel it is. the only thing of any salience you've accomplished in this thread lies in your claiming it isn't effective. in doing so, you've inferred his ability to see past and future simultaneously DOES exists. so congrats on having so clearly changed your initial position and agreeing with me. I wouldn't have thought it possible. you've grown and I acknowledge your concession 👆
Originally posted by leonidas
so, show me another character who can look simultaneously at the past and future as ss did in the annihilators scan.
You mean he claimed to do it? If he could actually see past, present and future, he wouldn't get surprised so often in the same miniseries lol.
meaning he didn't leave this dimension to do it. even showing just one won't save you since you claim every other top tier can see time just like ss can. so show anyone replicating his feat. i'll wait. 🙂
as for screen rant 😂 obviously you'd focus on the link. the link leads to a perfectly relevant SCAN--as I said. wgaf if the scan is in imgg or a screen rant link 😂
and again a strawman that has zero bearing on what is being discussed. as predictable as a universal constant lol
to be clear--NO ONE IS ARGUING THE EFFICACY OF THE ABILITY here so stop saying how effective YOU feel it is. the only thing of any salience you've accomplished in this thread lies in your claiming it isn't effective. in doing so, you've inferred his ability to see past and future simultaneously DOES exists. so congrats on having so clearly changed your initial position and agreeing with me. I wouldn't have thought it possible. you've grown and I acknowledge your concession 👆
Awful lot of nonsense on a claim by Surfer which didn't work in the same miniseries, multiple times. You might as well start arguing with every nonsensical claim Surfer has uttered over the decades.
Originally posted by abhilegendYou just can't admit that you were wrong hey? You have to reach for something else because you physically can't type the letters out.
IMP actually worked. Surfer seeing past, present and future doesn't work even in the same miniseries.None of that shows he can see past, present and future simultaneously. He isn't Dr Manhattan.
This is the same bullshit as Surfer somehow able to see all weaknesses of every opponent ever despite never actually doing it. Laughable to say the least.
Originally posted by Smurph
You just can't admit that you were wrong hey? You have to reach for something else because you physically can't type the letters out.
Have you actually read the mini?
Originally posted by Smurph
I was just making fun of a stupid comparison. You already lost the argument, the Superman reference is neither here nor there.
Originally posted by Smurph
I have no issues if Superman can do it also. Unlike you, I don't get triggered by a comic book character having an additional ability.