He WOULD be that Hulk.
But he isn't.
Besides, I'm not the one who made the ruling. Whatever your beliefs:
This is very simple. WWH feats happened in the World War Hulk arc. Planet Hulk/Green Scar feats happened in Planet Hulk & World War Hulk, since he was called Green Scar in both. WBH feats happened at the end World War Hulk and in Heart of the Monster..
Argue with that statement. Can't get any clearer than that.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Your Zom example was good, but he was hardly speeding, using flight, and using long range attacks, was he? Nor does Zom Strange get super charged with a ray of sunlight (which I'm assuming is present here). Nor does Zom use freeze breath etc etc.
There are no stipulations on the time of day this occurs;
I've been assuming suited SBP for after dark parties.
Any team that has general knowledge of Prime, as the forum says is standard protocol, would be busily trying to get this guy OUT of the sun, let alone out of that stupid suit, provided they were actually capable of rational thought.
Tony Stark (Iron Man), is, again, a tactician. In the heat of battle, Thor or Hulk might naturally default to brawling unchecked.
It's not likely Tony would.
And against someone of Prime's power, which would be made very obvious in the likely event Prime DID take out Ares, let alone Rhodey (War Machine), IM would be looking to neutralize SBP with something power-specific that avoided personal physical contact.
That's only the sense of any thinking person, and the sense Tony displays currently in the Avengers versus Phoenix 5 storyline.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Your Zom example was good, but he was hardly speeding, using flight, and using long range attacks, was he? Nor does Zom Strange get super charged with a ray of sunlight (which I'm assuming is present here). Nor does Zom use freeze breath etc etc.
Superboy Prime rarely, if ever, speeds against non-speedsters in a fight.
You want to prove otherwise, you need to show it; there's scarcely anything more consistent than that SBP fights toe-to-toe, at speeds of Spider-man level or below.
Again, blur-rate movement and flurrying IS in Prime's power set.
No one denies that.
However, you don't see that in the comics against non-speedsters when Prime's actually fighting. That's held consistent through just about every engagement he's had in just about every title, regardless of the creative staff writing him.
If you're proposing an SBP win by blitzing, you're thinking of another character entirely.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Superboy Prime rarely, if ever, speeds against non-speedsters in a fight.You want to prove otherwise, you need to show it; there's scarcely anything more consistent than that SBP fights toe-to-toe, at speeds of Spider-man level or below.
Why the phuck does this myth keep getting perpetuated?
It's blatantly false and anyone that actually reads a comic with SBP in it knows it.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Show me then.3 instances in the comics of Superboy Prime IN A FIGHT speeding against non-speedsters.
While I'm at it, why don't you have me find 3 instances of Thor using a godblast against street levelers?
You can't just throw out valid examples because doing so suits your argument.
Originally posted by Cogito
While I'm at it, why don't you have me find 3 instances of Thor using a godblast against street levelers?You can't just throw out valid examples because doing so suits your argument.
Not throwing out valid examples.
Going by what's both logical AND by comic history.
Why logical?
Unlike Superman, Superboy Prime didn't grow up using his powers.
He grew up as a human boy. Wasn't until about 16 or so that his powers kicked in. Till then he spent life at human pace with human perceptions. He's not some lifelong disciple of the speed force, like one of the Flashes or even Sodam Yat.
SBP's character has all but supreme arrogance, rarely observes convention according to any real strategy, he generally gets in people's faces, mocks them, tanks their best, retaliates, then dares them to come back at him.
I don't think I've seen Prime so much as DUCK on the printed page on this point, let alone perform a Muhammad Ali clinic for someone.
You want to say Superboy Prime superspeeds so he gets the win.
I agree, IF Superboy Prime superspeeds at max potential, he gets the win against this team, at least more often than not.
But that's simply not what Prime does.
It's not how he fights, it's not even how he THINKS to fight.
It's only when a particular battle is OVER, or someone has put the fear of God into him, that Prime stops fighting and then behaves wantonly.
The exception is when he is going against people who possess superspeed and have first used it against him.
Let me help you out: You MAY be able to make a case for Prime speeding against Sodam Yat, a Daxamite with Kryptonian powers, operating as a Green Lantern.
Who himself was fighting intensely, presumably at speed.
At the end, dizzy from the punches and attacks, head swimming, Yat tells us that Prime's attacks become a blur.
Let's take that literally. Let's say it's NOT Yat simply being portrayed on the verge of consciousness, with everything coming too hard and too fast for him as he slips away, common for any fighter going down.
PRESUMING Yat himself did not make use of speed, which is a pretty big presumption, going by your brand of logic, that would be exactly ONE instance of Prime doing that in a fight unprovoked.
THAT one, I give YOU as Exhibit "A".
Now.
Where are your other "blatantly obvious" cases?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Pfft he's Hulk, silly. Do you have the scan before that? Otherwise, when I get home, I'll look up Hulk 611 myself...If he is WWH, why did he say he would turn INTO WWH? Confusing!
When has Hulk ever brought up "I'm turning into WWH"?. Come on Dark. He said, I'm turning into the Hulk that was in New York that fought the Avengers (WWH), the Hulk that defeated Black Bolt (WWH). The Hulk that defeated Doctor Strange (WWH). The Hulk that defeated Sentry (WWH). It can not, and when I say can not, it can not get any clearer than this.
Here is the scan before the scan I showed you. What's the point of posting that?
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/WBHfootstepdoesitagain3.jpg
I'm not at home, so forgive me for only using Prime's respect thread.
Prime surprises and attacks MM before he can react
Originally posted by Rorschach
Prime takes Martian Manhunter by surprise and destroys the JLA Watchtowerhttp://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/scan0022.jpg
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Prime fights Superboy, and blitzes him
Originally posted by Rorschach
Prime Vs. Superboyhttp://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/RealVSClone3.jpg
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Originally posted by Rorschach
Prime counter-blitzes Jay, Wally, and Barthttp://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/RealVSClone8.jpg
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Prime uses speed against Connor and the Teen Titans
Originally posted by Rorschach The same fight from a different comichttp://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/primevssuperboy2.jpg
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Blitzes BA
Originally posted by Rorschach Prime escapes from the Speed Force
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Oh yeah, that stuff before? He wasn't trying
Originally posted by Rorschach Prime tells Nightwing that he wasn't even trying during his fight against the Titans, JSA, and Doom Patrol[/B]http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/nottrying.jpg
Blows of SF Bart and travels to Oa
Originally posted by Rorschach Takes a punch from Bart Allen, at this time Bart was the Speed Force, so it isn't a such low showing as some people would believehttp://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/aaloutbart.jpg
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Keeps going, blows past Kal-El, Kal-L, and otherse
Originally posted by Rorschach Prime claims magic can't hurt him, ruptures Breach's s shell, and heads towards Oahttp://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/tofastforgl.jpg
Fighting with Kal-El/Kal-L all the way across the universe to Krypton. On Mogo they continue fighting, SBP rushes Kal-L
Originally posted by Rorschach Kal-El and Kal-L take Prime through Rao, this depowers all of themhttp://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/3sup.jpg
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Blows away the Flashes and the rest of Earth's heroes
Originally posted by Rorschach Prime battles several of Earth's heroes
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Originally posted by Rorschach After killing the Luthor of Earth-15, Prime defeats the Justice League of that Universehttp://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/JLAkill.jpg
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Lots of speed here: SBP vs. Monarch
Originally posted by Rorschach
[B]Superman-Prime Vs. Monarch - Next Weekhttp://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/Primemonpre.jpg
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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
[b]Prime vs Monarch
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Got bored, not going to list any more.
Also, lol at the idea that SBP was killing dozens of Green Lanterns at "Spiderman [speed] or below"
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
^ There are a few instances that look like speed blitzes like the one against the Flashs, but almost all of those are questionable. Not saying he fights at Spiderman speeds, but it didn't look like he was using his speed to it's utmost advantages. I'm sure he does though..
You want the artists to actually draw him fighting at lightspeed? Because that would look like a blank page.
Originally posted by carver9
Do you have scans of him being untouchable.?
No, he's never done that to my knowledge. But given that he's always been portrayed as fast or (usually) faster than Superman, it should be well within his ability.
Originally posted by Cogito
You want the artists to actually draw him fighting at lightspeed? Because that would look like a blank page.No, he's never done that to my knowledge. But given that he's always been portrayed as fast or (usually) faster than Superman, it should be well within his ability.
What in the world...just what in he freaking world. So we ignore everything that has been shown on panel involving the character. Him preferring to be up close and personal and him not fighting in some type of blurr? Prime doesnt fight like Flash.
Originally posted by carver9
What in the world...just what in he freaking world. So we ignore everything that has been shown on panel involving the character. Him preferring to be up close and personal and him not fighting in some type of blurr? Prime doesnt fight like Flash.
He can and he has. I just showed numerous examples (some better than others, sure)
Don't go all Carter on me.
Originally posted by Cogito
He can and he has. I just showed numerous examples (some better than others, sure)Don't go all Carter on me.
Lol...forgot to say. What's up Cogita? Good to see ya.
Back on topic. If Prime is winning this, speed will not have a thing to do with it. You showing me Prime bull rushing isn't changing the fact that I think anyone here can punch him in the face.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...forgot to say. What's up Cogita? Good to see ya.
kinda Try harder
Originally posted by carver9
Back on topic. If Prime is winning this, speed will not have a thing to do with it. You showing me Prime bull rushing isn't changing the fact that I think anyone here can punch him in the face.
Oh, and punching Prime in the face doesn't tend to work. Ask Black Adam.
