Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Where did Blue say the Avengers only had these 2 avenues to win?
😕 Why are you referring to yourself in the third-person? Normally you're so well-spoken.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
You've brought up about 23 different points today. You want something answered I suggest you highlight it like DS did.On that note, of things ignored, I recall you promising to check out a thread of mine? Like, several WEEKS ago now?
Not very good about keeping your word are you?The point about Krypto doesn't strike me as a great one. Not if you're trying to argue SBP is leagues and leagues above the average Kryptonian. What doesn't Krypto break his teeth against SBP if Prime's that tough?
As for Yat, correct me if I'm wrong, but, Lantern rings are powered by will-power, not physical strength. Captain America would probably wield a ring more effectively than he if such is the case, unless you somehow believe the fact of Yat already being physically strong makes the ring effect stronger.
You didn't read my response when you asked me why I didn't check? I told you, I started to, but my headphones broke. Now I don't have the link anymore.
And I guess my point about Krypto doesn't strike you as great since you've predetermined you're going to use it as if it makes SBP look bad. In the real world, a regular dog can cause very bad bite marks on cars, as shown when MONSTER QUEST tested this on the Lizard Man episode to see if people's claim that it had to be the Lizard Man because a dog could not do this were true. And teeth are extremely durable.
And you're correct about what a Power Ring is powered by. But you misunderstood me. I was referring to Yat augmenting the force of his strikes with the Ion power. A GL can do this with a Power Ring. The only time that Yat bloodies SBP in the entire fight in GREEN LANTERN CORPS #18 was when there's an aura of energy surrounding him as he strikes. In fact, the only other significant strike Yat performed in that fight was also while there was an aura of energy around him. Thus implying that Yat could only effect him when augmenting his strikes with the Ion power. So Superman-Lite+amped GL power augmenting causing Superboy Prime to bleed is somehow a bad showing for Superboy Prime? Do you think that either Thor, Rulk(I'd forgotten about him the last few times I summed-up the team) or WWH can produce that much?
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
You, in turn, ignore that Krypto, Connor, Yat, Supergirl, and the Colossal Boys were all shown beating the crap out of Prime, most of them drawing blood from him.
Already explained Krypto and Yat(they're not what you're arguing them to be). Connor would be like hypothetically Puma was able to own Hulk physically every time they fought, yet never showed to be on that level again, and holding that up as the standard to measure Hulk by and point-out Puma has trouble with Spider-Man(no clue if the two have fought, so don't "correct" me when I'm using a hypothetical example to illustrate my point). Supergirl? Haven't seen her have a serious effect on him on her own. If you're talking about during the TEEN TITANS thing? That's been explained. And I haven't read the Colossal Boys example yet, but if Superboy Prime had been taking damage from others before then, not a valid example.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
As I said, I don't know. But we are, again, talking comics, where explanations are not always given. For instance, what about a tesseract enables Superman to be taken apart by one, then magically reassembled? Why doesn't he hemorrhage to death in the meanwhile?
How can he still talk while it's happening?
Some things the writers just don't supply answers to.(Image is from JLA #78, Volume 1.)
I've always seen that example like his body is being scattered around space like he's in several portals. Superman did state "tesseract" so this is space/time itself being messed with. Not someone being reassembled atom-by atom. Thus your argument of this comparative example is irrelevant.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Lowballing shenanigans never get old.
Standard Operating Procedure for Blue.
And you know what's really funny? When they just look for anything where the character APPEARS bad without actually paying attention. On another site, I had to deal with this Hulk fanboy who, every time he'd get owned to the point even he couldn't spin things, would jump to lowballing Superman. But some of his examples were actually impressive if you paid attention. Like him showing Superman purposely taking a beating from Doomsday in DOOMSDAY WARS. And he thought this example from Pre-CRISIS of Superman saying he "might" be in trouble if this guy he was facing had the power claimed(like magnetic repulsion of a hundred galaxies or something like that).
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Originally posted by Delta1938
You didn't read my response when you asked me why I didn't check? I told you, I started to, but my headphones broke. Now I don't have the link anymore.
Here's the link:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=565671
You should learn to quote properly.
It's fine if you're going to paraphrase, but you should then try to reflect the relevant content of the message accuratey.
Superboy Prime taking out everyone save World War Hulk is a possibility, however.
World War Hulk taking out Superboy Prime is also a possibility.
What post of mine you're thinking of, I'd be interested to know.
In answer to your question, though, a direct clap of the kind you saw delivered earlier to Gladiator could do the trick; even the powerful Kryptonian-class people of the 1960s could be taken out if you overwhelmed their senses, and Prime has demonstrated far more vulnerability than one of those, and the option of simply head-punching to knock Prime out remains a possibility, too.
However, you need to suggest why the fight is coming down even to Prime versus World War Hulk solo in the first place. Prime has to get past Ares, War Machine, Iron Man, Rulk AND Thor before that scenario happens. How exactly in your mind is THAT happening, given Prime's actual in-character comic book track record and that of the Marvel Characters themselves against powerful foes in deadly serious situations?
The post I was thinking of, is on page one of this thread. You only have one post there, so it should be easy to find, no? And whilst I paraphrased, I was only using your own reasoning - like I said, IF Pak was writing, then everyone gets taken out save for WWH. Was anything of what I said different to what you said?
Perhaps you need to reflect the relevant content of my message accurately. Try reading my post a quarter of the way down on Page 35 of this thread.
Given their track record against powerful opponents? Look at Zack Fair's post on page 3 of this thread. That's a track record. Ares gets ripped in half, Rulk gets his arm snapped, Iron Man gets fried, AND Thor gets hammered in the face.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Click-able LINK bank. Guardian Explosion and Prime's fate.Diesel, I'd appreciate you telling me what happens when you click on THESE links and not what KMC considers my "attached images" in the posts before this and my "URL bank" post.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14017090
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14017091
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14017095
These links do open up in a new tab, this is good (i can x out the tab) The other link that you have thumbnails of, open up in the current tab. (if i x out the tab, it will close the browser) See the inconsistency? Pick one, hopefully this way because it's consistent with the way photobucket behaves. :-)
If Greg Pak writes this, Rulk is a non-factor, but World War Hulk turns World Breaker after Prime takes out much of the rest of the field. After trading a few punches, Hulk knocks Prime clear into another dimension with one really big punch, and Prime, despite talk of how "next time" he's going to turn that "Big Green Salad-Headed Idiot" inside out, wisely finds ways to avoid the Marvel Universe from that point on.
In all likelihood, what I wrote above IS what happens if Greg Pak writes this. The man had Hulk destroy an entire PLANET (arguably an entire dimension) with RESIDUAL energy. Not some direct assault, merely the shockwave of a collision with his wife. Prime's not taking a punch from anybody THAT strong without getting KO'd, not judging by what's hurt and bloodied him in the past.
As I said, it is only if you ignore what has actually happened to Prime in the comics that you come to a different conclusion.