Originally posted by Nibedicus
Scans? 😄
He kills the Avengers, FF, he took out Earths mightiest members and he did it with ease.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd165/KingHyperion/Fight/Other/Other%201/1.jpg
He even kills Hulk.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd165/KingHyperion/Fight/fight%205/4.jpg
😛
Originally posted by NemeBro
Thor and WWH are the only real factors here.
Saying this is quite different from saying Prime was shown at a "cracking planets with other planets" level of power.
Originally posted by NemeBro
At the end of Infinite Crisis he was going to blow Oa up by flying through it, and in Legion of 3 Worlds he apparently destroyed Oa after attacking it.
Scans, please.
Originally posted by NemeBro
many other feats have Prime at such a level of power as well, tearing through GL constructs 500 miles thick created by dozens of Lanterns (And one whom can be considered not fodder), snapping the arms of top tiers by squeezing, punching through Superman's chest with heat vision while very much weakened, etc.
This is very impressive until recalling that Superman himself, not generally accorded solo Earth-sized planet moving, supposedly cracked an entire Saturn moon in half, an object of rock many times thicker than the barrier Guy Gardner accorded that 300 mile thickness to.
For that matter, you rightly accord "not fodder" status to only one of the Green Lanterns. But what were the rest?
Snapping the arms of top tiers? I suppose you mean Hal Jordan.
I agree that Hal is above your average Lantern, but checking the historic record reveals that Hulk, in weaker form than World War Hulk is generally purported to be, shattered Hal's constructs, too.
For that matter, Kyle Rayner is generally accorded Hal's overall power ranking, or even slightly better. Kyle had his arm lightly broken by a White Martian in the JLA storyline "Terror Incognito", arguably with greater ease.
I'll leave the heat vision one largely alone; at least one poster on another forum explained to me that people from Earth-Prime generally get a pass to more or less circumvent the defenses of residents of other DC Earths. Think he used the example of Cary Bates to make his point, but I don't remember the exact issue, and it would take some research to recover that, along with the explanation given in that book, if there was one.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Superman himself, not generally accorded solo Earth-sized planet moving, supposedly cracked an entire Saturn moon in half, an object of rock many times thicker than the barrier Guy Gardner accorded that 300 mile thickness to.
Found the scan.
Reference information would be appreciated, by anyone who cares to give it.
Originally posted by Diesldude
can a 1"thick rock wall withstand nuclear explosions?
What proof do you have of the strength of this wall versus other materials?
All Lanterns are not created equal.
Nor all Lantern constructs.
And again you present with the fallacy that explosions are equal to the directed force of a punch or strike in superhero comics.
Is Wonder Woman striking with the force of TWO nuclear explosions in the following instance, then?
Originally posted by bluewaterriderHe was pointing out the fallacy of you trying to equate thickness to durability. Then you try to turn it back on him. In most circumstances I'd consider GL construct harder than an equivalent amount of rock. Though a 300 mile thick wall of it is a bit unquantifiable, its clear it was meant to be a quality feat.
What proof do you have of the strength of this wall versus other materials?All Lanterns are not created equal.
Nor all Lantern constructs.And again you present with the fallacy that explosions are equal to the directed force of a punch or strike in superhero comics.
Is Wonder Woman striking with the force of TWO nuclear explosions in the following instance, then?
Originally posted by Juntai
Lex 2000 special, when he was Elected as President.
Thank you, Juntai.
I've seen enough to know that was the art of Ed McGuinness, too, so here's what I can now give to complete that entry:
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Source: Superman. Lex 2000 #1, Volume 1 (Superman One-Shots)
Writer: Jeph Loeb
Penciller: Ed McGuinness
Date: January 2001
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Superman:_Lex_2000_Vol_1_1
Originally posted by Juntai
He was pointing out the fallacy of you trying to equate thickness to durability. Then you try to turn it back on him. In most circumstances I'd consider GL construct harder than an equivalent amount of rock. Though a 300 mile thick wall of it is a bit unquantifiable, its clear it was meant to be a quality feat.
I agree it was meant to be a quality feat.
I just don't agree that it supports "cracking planets with other planets" levels of strength.
Not when that much speed and momentum is involved.
Not when the feat is one of breakage, and not mass-moving.
Not when Superman himself cracked something far more massive.
And especially not when Hulk himself, in his weakest form by far (Grey Hulk) cracked something far, far thicker.
Originally posted by bluewaterriderI'm making a comparison with rock and shields. What had greater durability? Rock or shields?
What proof do you have of the strength of this wall versus other materials?All Lanterns are not created equal.
Nor all Lantern constructs.And again you present with the fallacy that explosions are equal to the directed force of a punch or strike in superhero comics.
Is Wonder Woman striking with the force of TWO nuclear explosions in the following instance, then?
Originally posted by Diesldude
I'm making a comparison with rock and shields. What had greater durability? Rock or shields?
Depends on the type of rock; depends on the type of shield.
Also depends on the type of strike or force either is bearing.
Without knowing the context of what you specifically have in mind, I can't really give you an answer. You want to say shields are generally stronger than rocks, perhaps? But things change when you start adding mass and acceleration behind things, and you have to take into account things like size, shape, and point of impact.
To give the most mundane example I can think of, you might expect a bronze shield to better bear the strike of, say, a sledgehammer, than a rock. Going by that, how would you explain the following, which you probably read in high school ... ?
(from the Iliad)
They then each of them drew out the spear from his shield, and fell on one another like savage lions or wild boars of great strength and endurance: the son of Priam struck the middle of Ajax's shield, but the bronze did not break, and the point of his dart was turned. Ajax then sprang forward and pierced the shield of Hector; the spear went through it and staggered him as he was springing forward to attack; it gashed his neck and the blood came pouring from the wound, but even so Hector did not cease fighting; he gave ground, and with his brawny hand seized a stone, rugged and huge, that was lying upon the plain; with this he struck the shield of Ajax on the boss that was in its middle, so that the bronze rang again. But Ajax in turn caught up a far larger stone, swung it aloft, and hurled it with prodigious force. This millstone of a rock broke Hector's shield inwards and threw him down on his back with the shield crushing him under it, but Apollo raised him at once.
http://www.literaturepage.com/read/theiliad-99.html
