Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Now a clear threat:"No one will EVER know what I had to do to bring my earth back.
[B]No one
."Safe to assume Prime is no longer "not even trying"?
Even so, his double-fisted slam is blocked by Cassie, and he gets off a punch that sends her flying. But she's still very much okay.
Was it world-moving power she had to endure here? [/B]
No, but it was an example of BFR used in battle, thanks 👆
Finally, there is Connor's heroic final rush.
Prime seems not to notice Connor's intention, let alone actually making any attempt to impede Connor's forward progress.
Is he trying?
If he is, why is he not FAST enough to stop Connor's rush?
Or strong enough?
Prime remains instead violently fixated and in conflict with himself.
His eyes blaze, but do they fire heat vision? He talks of his dreams, but does he not realize Connor will succeed in dashing them if he destroys the world-melding machine?
Hm. You DO know your constant low-balling will get you in trouble, right?
And before you play innocent and ask, 'really, what low-balling, I am only showing what's happening in comics?'....
You constantly highlight only the low points of SBP, and wilfully ignore anything that might present a balanced view. So for example, you ignore all the other times Prime has shown his strength (including casually breaking Connor's hand) and focus on him not pushing Connor back. You ignore the BFR tactics of Prime against a flier (Wonder Girl) and focus on her not being crushed. Despite subsequent showings of him crushing a Guardian, for example. And this is without his ring, or his suit.
And I know, the reverse may be said of me. I am only focussing on the points which help my viewpoints. But, I think based on his averages, I can safely disregard Prime failing to crush Wonder Girl as a low point, but you cannot seriously think that him BFRing her is a high point. Or that him crushing Connor's hand is a high point, but I think we can safely say that him not stopping the bullrush is a low point.
... and destroy the machine he does.
Meaning that, if Prime's goal was to protect that machine, and it certainly was but a few moments prior, then he was easily distracted from that goal, and can be directed in battle by an opponent focused on something other than pure, monomaniacal, mano-a-mano fighting.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Finally, there is Connor's heroic final rush.Prime seems not to notice Connor's intention, let alone actually making any attempt to impede Connor's forward progress.
Is he trying?
If he is, why is he not FAST enough to stop Connor's rush?
Or strong enough?Prime remains instead violently fixated and in conflict with himself.
His eyes blaze, but do they fire heat vision? He talks of his dreams, but does he not realize Connor will succeed in dashing them if he destroys the world-melding machine?
You also showed Connor FAILING to stop SBP earlier, when he was fixated on Nightwing. So..I think you answered your own question there, buddy.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
you ignore all the other times Prime has shown his strength (including casually breaking Connor's hand) and focus on him not pushing Connor back. You ignore the BFR tactics of Prime against a flier (Wonder Girl) and focus on her not being crushed. Despite subsequent showings of him crushing a Guardian, for example. And this is without his ring, or his suit.
1) I mentioned Prime's planet-moving to start this series.
Check back a few pages.
2) Breaking Connor's hand, while impressive, does not strike me as leagues above Supergirl dislocating Connor's jaw with her 1st punch back in Supergirl #2, Volume 5, only about a year prior to this.
Connor is not a full Kryptonian.
3) The not pushing Connor back is not to point out such a great lack of strength on Prime's part, but a lack of overall AWARENESS in battle.
If you posit that he is stronger but was still forced back, I'd be interested to see how you argue against that point.
4) What you consider BFR against Wonder Girl seems about as deliberate as Prime punching away Black Adam. Notice that, after the explosion, Cassie is one of the first to return to Connor. That tower was still intact when she was punched back. How far away could she have been sent?
5) Crushing or non-crushing of a Guardian is meaningless to me.
I've seen no showings of a Guardian throwing down with or like a brick.
6) And Prime definitely has his suit on.
Check the images again.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
[B]1) I mentioned Prime's planet-moving to start this series.
Check back a few pages.2) Breaking Connor's hand, while impressive, does not strike me as leagues above Supergirl dislocating Connor's jaw with her 1st punch back in Supergirl #2, Volume 5, only about a year prior to this.
Connor is not a full Kryptonian.
OK. So his durability is poor, but his flight strength is top notch, is that what you're saying?
3) The not pushing Connor back is not to point out such a great lack of strength on Prime's part, but a lack of overall AWARENESS in battle.
If you posit that he is stronger but was still forced back, I'd be interested to see how you argue against that point.
4) What you consider BFR against Wonder Girl seems about as deliberate as Prime punching away Black Adam. Notice that, after the explosion, Cassie is one of the first to return to Connor. That tower was still intact when she was punched back. How far away could she have been sent?
So far, your resistance to him using BFR is either:
A: He cannot physically do it
B: He will not do it in character.
A, I think, has been shown. He BFRed a massive being like the Anti-Monitor halfway across the Universe.
B, you have just shown.
Also, her bracelets are pretty durable:
5) Crushing or non-crushing of a Guardian is meaningless to me.
I've seen no showings of a Guardian throwing down with or like a brick.6) And Prime definitely has his suit on.
Check the images again.
I shall stand, a resolute bulwark.
From the looks of things, only the following will decide this thread:
1. Bluewater actually posts a hitherto unseen scan of Prime which retcons every other showing of his; or
2. A mod warns him not to lowball, and suggests that BFR is possible for Prime; or
2. A mod steps in and closes it down, with warnings for everyone.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I shall stand, a resolute bulwark.From the looks of things, only the following will decide this thread:
1. Bluewater actually posts a hitherto unseen scan of Prime which retcons every other showing of his; or
2. A mod warns him not to lowball, and suggests that BFR is possible for Prime; or
2. A mod steps in and closes it down, with warnings for everyone.
SBP and DarkSaint85 wins.
Blight, you aren't the only one, at first i stopped clicking on Blue's links, now his spamming posts are an eyesore and I've stopped reading them.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I shall stand, a resolute bulwark.From the looks of things, only the following will decide this thread:
1. Bluewater actually posts a hitherto unseen scan of Prime which retcons every other showing of his; or
2. A mod warns him not to lowball, and suggests that BFR is possible for Prime; or
2. A mod steps in and closes it down, with warnings for everyone.
I'm not sure if I've met any other poster so big on rulings with selective attention paid to actual rules and guidelines as yourself. It's as if you have no confidence in the actual arguments you present and are instead trying to get an official judge to endorse whatever side you happen to be on.
I'm reminded of the words said in the following clip nearly every 3rd post you make at this point ...
how else to explain these posts where you ask questions like the following ...?
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are you now suggesting Prime is unable to punch Nightwing's head off as a measure of how powerful he is? REALLY???
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Neil DeGrasse Tyson on Bill Maher on Congress
[i.e. the mistaken practical goal of lawyers and debaters as opposed to what the ideal was originally supposed to be]
(1:55 point onward)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKdaRcptVz8&feature=related
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It's probably a good idea at this point to remind of the rules we're following, DS.
Certainly these are the ones I'VE been using as guidelines throughout the thread.
Keep in mind, though, that, for the BFR option, Prime is one individual fighting a TEAM of 6 people.
The loss of Ares would not translate to a team loss.
The battlefield removal of, say, Iron Man for a short while, would not translate to a team loss. Nor, from my understanding, is there anything to prevent him from re-joining the fray if his other teammates carry the fight in his absence. And so on and so forth.
At any rate:
the poster who originally set up the versus fight determines the conditions of the fight itself ...
Each side starts out with the equipment that they normally and have been shown to consistently carry on them ...
In a scenario fight, the contestants in whose city/reality the fight takes place are allowed access to any material resources they usually have there or of any team they're active members of, as long as they can reasonably get to them ...
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not ...
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality
Combatants who leave the field of combat on purpose forfeit the match. If they are removed from the arena against their will (being punched, thrown, teleported, etc.) and can make it back under their own power in a reasonable amount of time, then they are still in the fight. Obviously, if a combatant leaves the field and cannot return under their own power, then they have lost.
Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.
The character's personality is an integral part of the match and dictates how they will perform.
It ALL comes down to the CHARACTER, not the POWERSET.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
[B]I'm not sure if I've met any other poster so big on rulings with selective attention paid to actual rules and guidelines as yourself. It's as if you have no confidence in the actual arguments you present and are instead trying to get an official judge to endorse whatever side you happen to be on.
Or...I follow the rules. Its as if you have no confidence in playing fair, and are instead trying to use whatever tools you can grasp your hands on to win.
It's probably a good idea at this point to remind of the rules we're following, DS.
Yes, that 'we're' following, heh.
Certainly these are the ones I'VE been using as guidelines throughout the thread.
Let's see.
Keep in mind, though, that, for the BFR option, Prime is one individual fighting a TEAM of 6 people.
The loss of Ares would not translate to a team loss.
The battlefield removal of, say, Iron Man for a short while, would not translate to a team loss. Nor, from my understanding, is there anything to prevent him from re-joining the fray if his other teammates carry the fight in his absence. And so on and so forth.
The only one I am BFRing is Hulk. Not the others.
It ALL comes down to the CHARACTER, not the POWERSET.
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http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html
Excellent. Glad you put that up, now we can proceed.
Scans of Tony Stark, also known as Iron Man, WITHOUT PREP (as the OP, or Original Poster, did not specify prep) using TELEPORTATION technology, to BFR someone offensively? You cannot, with a straight face, post scans of him using it as an escape route in AvX, or use examples of his PREPPED fight with Magneto, as an argument that he would do so here. Or his reflective suit, which he prepped for.
Its not about POWERSET, after all, right? And what the OP said, right?