Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So Thor will use the Destroyer and the Norn Stones? Maybe even the Twilight Sword and the Casket? Eh? Tony doesn't seems to have anything to add to this fight it seems.Quite extreme. I'm rather surprised that Thor wouldn't a) need the permission of Odin to use such powerful artifacts against mere mortals and b) that Thor thinks DCnU Supes and Batman are far more dangerous then Galactus and SS. Against those two he didn't use the Destroyer and the Stones 😂
If you think the Destroyer and the Stones are their only chance and hope and if they are so scared of DCnU Supes and Batman, what can I say, more power to you.I know that a lot of events from the pre-Flashpoint Universe did happen in the DCnU, just not exactly which. So I can't give Supes and Batman enough feats to go against the Destroyer and the Stones.
Pre-Flashpoint World Finest would annihilate those two "beerbuddies" though (better Teamwork, more experience) and given the respect you show for their DCnU counterparts it's cool.BTW has clark access to the Phantom Zone in the DCnU? It would be a cheap but easy win then. DCnU Kryptonian tech is still > Tony tech imho.
Reading is your friend.
In my post, I clearly said Thor probably won't use the Casket or the Twilight Sword because of the inherent danger either weapon could cause to the world at large. One weapon is capable of destroying a universe and the other ushers in a new ice ace. The Destroyer Armor, conversely, is a much more safer and reliable weapon. Norn Stones are, too, for that matter.
Odin isn't in Asgard as of late, and Thor disobeys Odin, especially according to recent stories.
So, you've effectively shifted your argument from:
-Thor doesn't have access to high end Asgardian relics and wouldn't prep well with Tony because they hate each other
to
-Thor won't use them because they're too powerful and if he somehow did, it only makes DCnU World's Finest more powerful because he didn't use these artifacts against the likes of people like Galactus (whom Thor didn't prep for to begin with unlike the scenario presented in the OP)?
barker
I didn't say the Destroyer Armor and Norn Stones were their only hope nor did I allude to as much. I merely said that if they decided to use them, which they can easily, DCnU has no chance in beating them. Even using the mundane Asgardian stuff lying around, they get a significant advantage the likes of which DCnU guys can't get around. If you want a run down of the equipment they can get, I'd be more than happy to make a list.
Pre-Flashpoint World's Finest is another topic altogether and doesn't mean much, if anything here. DCnU versions simply don't have the feats to contend here and trying to argue that Thor and Tony won't prep to their utmost capability doesn't make sense.
Not sure how the Phantom Zone would be a cheap win when Thor has Mjolnir? If you want to make an argument for Kryptonian tech, feel free to cite some stuff it's done in DCnU that Clark has access to and can gather.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Considering all the realms and alternate dimensions Thor can access and send people including himself to, moments if anything.
There are limits though..
The negative zone, isn't that one he can't access? And he's had trouble getting to and from Asgard without the Rainbow Bridge, or due to other factors..
Escaping the zone isn't impossible, but it's also not simply another dimension.. Who knows if Thor will even be able to touch his hammer, when he gets converted into a ghost form.
Does NuDc even have zone tech yet...?
Originally posted by cdtm
There are limits though..The negative zone, isn't that one he can't access?
Escaping the zone isn't impossible, but it's also not simply another dimension.. Who knows if Thor will even be able to touch his hammer, when he gets converted into a ghost form.
Does NuDc even have zone tech yet...?
Thor has opened a portal to the Negative Zone before.
I think the odds lie more on Thor's favor given Mjolnir's capabilities then against it, especially concerning the DCnU Phantom Zone. Considering Mjolnir can carve it's way through Hell, the aformentioned Negative Zone, various realms of the dead, the Microverse, etc, etc, I find it personally unlikely the Phantom Zone would keep Thor bfred indefinitely.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
What artifact do you want supes to have?
Only artifact I can see mattering is the Phantom Zone Projector..
Which I'd be surprised exists anymore, given they didn't even exist until relatively late in his post crisis career.. Well after this "reboot" is supposed to take place..
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Is it the same as the one pre-reboot? Where GL's ring (which can open portals) was useless, as it was like trying to pick a lock with a wet noodle?
Don't know. We do know various Kryptonian villains were placed in it.
I think it's a stretch to assume the PZ would trap Thor and somehow make Mjolnir useless when he's teleported to and from countless realms and dimensions where normal laws of physics and reality don't apply.
To that end, it's much more likely Thor banishes either Superman or Batman to a realm they can't return from than the opposite.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
We've seen that the Phantom Zone exists, but I can't recall whether or not the actual projector does and if Kal currently possesses it.Definitely ridiculous to assume that Thor wouldn't or couldn't escape considering his feats, though.
Mostly based on how it might interfere with his powers
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Reading is your friend.In my post, I clearly said Thor probably won't use the Casket or the Twilight Sword because of the inherent danger either weapon could cause to the world at large. One weapon is capable of destroying a universe and the other ushers in a new ice ace. The Destroyer Armor, conversely, is a much more safer and reliable weapon. Norn Stones are, too, for that matter.
Odin isn't in Asgard as of late, and Thor disobeys Odin, especially according to recent stories.
So, you've effectively shifted your argument from:
-Thor doesn't have access to high end Asgardian relics and wouldn't prep well with Tony because they hate each other
to
-Thor won't use them because they're too powerful and if he somehow did, it only makes DCnU World's Finest more powerful because he didn't use these artifacts against the likes of people like Galactus (whom Thor didn't prep for to begin with unlike the scenario presented in the OP)?
barker
I didn't say the Destroyer Armor and Norn Stones were their only hope nor did I allude to as much. I merely said that if they decided to use them, which they can easily, DCnU has no chance in beating them. Even using the mundane Asgardian stuff lying around, they get a significant advantage the likes of which DCnU guys can't get around. If you want a run down of the equipment they can get, I'd be more than happy to make a list.
Pre-Flashpoint World's Finest is another topic altogether and doesn't mean much, if anything here. DCnU versions simply don't have the feats to contend here and trying to argue that Thor and Tony won't prep to their utmost capability doesn't make sense.
Not sure how the Phantom Zone would be a cheap win when Thor has Mjolnir? If you want to make an argument for Kryptonian tech, feel free to cite some stuff it's done in DCnU that Clark has access to and can gather.
Reading is you friend. Maybe you should think about it. I made fun of your post but nevermind.
Even so you said "probably" which is not the same as "wouldn't". You are funny though.
Yeah, he will need to disobey his daddy to stand a chance against such powerful threats...
No, I didn't shift anything. I still don't think Thor would be able or allowed to use the Destroyer or the Stones and surely not the Sword. I just played along with your scenario because I was rather suprised what you deem necessary to defeat those two. Odin and Thor had prep time against G, at least enough to use those artifacts, they though their pretty armors should be enough shrug
Yeah, Thor and IM are lucky, as pre-Flashpoint they would get stomped hard.
Make the List then, I will return on the 9th and look it over.
The Phantom Zone is a special place created to capture and hold criminals, I don't think it would be easy for Mjolnir to come escape from it. And there isn't anything like the Phantom Zone in Marvel, so here you go, without bias chances are 50-50. It still gives them enough time to get disposed of anything those two came up with, till they return the BF changed.