Originally posted by pym-ftw
@ PRIt would count as a speed feat if that's how superman threw punches like that, lol
But your the mod who makes the rulings and I can only speak for my own opinion on how I see it
how does it not count as a speed feat, when Superman was fast enough to surprise him?
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Anyway, Team Marvel wins.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Reading is you friend. Maybe you should think about it. I made fun of your post but nevermind.Even so you said "probably" which is not the same as "wouldn't". You are funny though.
Yeah, he will need to disobey his daddy to stand a chance against such powerful threats...
No, I didn't shift anything. I still don't think Thor would be able or allowed to use the Destroyer or the Stones and surely not the Sword. I just played along with your scenario because I was rather suprised what you deem necessary to defeat those two. Odin and Thor had prep time against G, at least enough to use those artifacts, they though their pretty armors should be enough shrug
Yeah, Thor and IM are lucky, as pre-Flashpoint they would get stomped hard.
Make the List then, I will return on the 9th and look it over.
The Phantom Zone is a special place created to capture and hold criminals, I don't think it would be easy for Mjolnir to come escape from it. And there isn't anything like the Phantom Zone in Marvel, so here you go, without bias chances are 50-50. It still gives them enough time to get disposed of anything those two came up with, till they return the BF changed.
What's there to think about?
facepalm Are you purposefully trying to be difficult? I've already said the likelihood is slim that they'd use the Twilight Sword and Casket of Ancient Winters. That means they probably won't use it. And as such I'm not arguing either artifact being used. Comprehending my posts is just as important as reading them.
Dude, Odin is a non-factor here. Not sure how many times I need to say this, but Odin is currently not in Asgardia. He hasn't been there since Fear Itself. I mean, if you're going to argue against Thor/Tony or just to counter points being made for them, you need to actually know what's going on in their comics outside of just spouting statements which aren't true or even accurate anymore. The fact that you thought Tony and Thor still hated each other speaks volumes of how behind you are when it comes to either of them in terms of "current" comics.
Not sure why you think Thor wouldn't be allowed when Odin's not there to tell him no for one thing and the guy is literally entitled to the relics of the realm as he's royalty. Your opinion is based on, well, nothing really outside of outdated information and inaccurate input concerning Thor and Asgard(ia). Odin and Thor didn't have a month to plan against Galactus and Surfer, either, so nice try with that pseudo-argument. And I find it funny how you think using the Armor or Norn Stones is surprising and is basically a feat for World's Finest because it assumes Thor/Tony think they're too powerful otherwise. That same logic can be applied to Bruce and Clark going all out with Kryptonian tech, which you tried arguing for their pre-Flashpoint versions.
Doubt they'd get stomped hard, tbh. They could certainly win, though. Moot point as this is DCnU versions.
A list of Asgardian artifacts they could get? The primary ones that aren't dangerous to the world at large such as the Casket and Twilight Sword:
-Belt of Strength
-Gauntlets
-Uru (primarily for enchanting various weapons and armor)
-Norn Stones
-Destroyer Armor
-Odinsword
And that's without factoring in Tony's stuff. Combined, it's a resource and prep edge they can't overcome.
I know what the Phantom Zone is. And there's nothing quite like Mjolnir in the DCU, so not sure what point you're trying to make? If you really want to be objective, you'll look at the vast history of various spatial and teleportation warping Mjolnir has under its belt and realize the odds are heavily in Thor's favor on being able to escape. Not sure how you get 50-50 draw when you've more or less conceded the Phantom Zone Projector is the only chance (and the only real argument made thus far) for Superman and Batman as opposed to the multitude of resources and options Thor and Tony has.
Originally posted by cdtmNeither Mon-El nor SBP where in "ghost form" when they were in the phantom zone.
There are limits though..The negative zone, isn't that one he can't access? And he's had trouble getting to and from Asgard without the Rainbow Bridge, or due to other factors..
Escaping the zone isn't impossible, but it's also not simply another dimension.. Who knows if Thor will even be able to touch his hammer, when he gets converted into a ghost form.
Does NuDc even have zone tech yet...?
I give it to IM and Thor. Better resources atm, and really, if you think about it:
Batman with prep - he'd study their weaknesses, and develop a special plan targeting this weakness.
IM with prep - build a Phoenix buster armour.
Then when it comes to the straight up fight, I'd give it to the buster armour.
Until Tony explodes because its been sabotaged.....hmm....
Originally posted by -Pr-
how does it not count as a speed feat, when Superman was fast enough to suprise him
Because he suprised him by out stretching his fingers, after flash dodged the punch
Flash thought he had successfully dodged him and superman flicked him, if flash had the skill, foresight, or luck to know it was coming I feel he could have dodged it aswell
How do you surprise a guy who can think at the speed of light?
Its a speed feat because if speed had nothing to do with it, Flash would have seen the finger coming at him in sloooow motion. Surprise or not, he should have been comfortably able to move out the way.
But he didn't. Because he couldn't. Because the finger was just that fast.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85agreed.
How do you surprise a guy who can think at the speed of light?Its a speed feat because if speed had nothing to do with it, Flash would have seen the finger coming at him in sloooow motion. Surprise or not, he should have been comfortably able to move out the way.
But he didn't. Because he couldn't. Because the finger was just that fast.