Iron Man 3 vs Man of Steel

Originally posted by quanchi112
Most here think Superman is the biggest icon so people should expect more from that franchise.

It's a reboot, and the last film was a bit of a failure. So not really.

Originally posted by quanchi112
IronMan shredding it shows how badly marvel is handing dc their asses.

Spider-Man is Marvel's Icon, and IM3 has shredded Spider-Man too. So your point makes no sense.

Why don't you look at all the Marvel franchises that MOS is shredding and that TDK trilogy shredded?

Originally posted by Newjak
By how much will it surpass them?

Edit:

FYI this is Iron Man box office collection according to Mojo

IM1: 585,174,222

For IM2: $623,933,331

So MoS is going to have to really pull something out to beat that number by a significant margin.

It's struggling now to reach those figures. But it probably will suprpass them Imo.

However IM and IM2 were still clearly more profitable.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It's a reboot, and the last film was a bit of a failure. So not really.

Spider-Man is Marvel's Icon, and IM3 has shredded Spider-Man too. So your point makes no sense.

Why don't you look at all the Marvel franchises that MOS is shredding and that TDK trilogy shredded?

It's struggling now to reach those figures. But it probably will suprpass them Imo.

However IM and IM2 were still clearly more profitable.

Yes, IronMan has shredded Spider-Man too. Like I said though most say Superman is the biggest icon and to shred a reboot is great news. Marvel still has SpiderMan but unlike dc is expanding.

Avengers is atop the mountain. A clear vision and other films on the way.

It's pretty clear marvel >>>>> dc in terms of box office.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

It's struggling now to reach those figures. But it probably will suprpass them Imo.

However IM and IM2 were still clearly more profitable.

I'm still trying to figure out what is being discussed in this thread.

It seems like both sides are vying for some kind of bragging rights about these movies and like most things it falls on company lines.

Marvel is better than DC or DC is better than Marvel and that by having the better or more profitable movie it confirms people's bias.

Also it seems like some people are simply going gaga both for and against MoS because it's a Superman movie as well.

MOS is hopefully going to put DC on the right track. So far it has grossed more than:

- two Ghost Rider films,
- two Fantastic Four films,
- four X-Men films,
- a Wolverine film,
- a DareDevil film,
- two Iron Man films,
- two Hulk films,
- a Thor film,
- a Captain America film.
- surprisingly grossed more than Amazing Spider-Man domestic.

Sure Marvel is winning due to volume of films and they have all been very good for the most part but hopefully DC can get the ball rolling.

Originally posted by Newjak
By how much will it surpass them?

Edit:

FYI this is Iron Man box office collection according to Mojo

IM1: 585,174,222

For IM2: $623,933,331

So MoS is going to have to really pull something out to beat that number by a significant margin.

MOS should get a little bit below 700M. But it still out grossed them.

MoS has already beaten Iron Man at box office. It has earned 586 millions as of this weekend and it has yet to be released in Brazil and Japan. It would most assuredly beat IM2.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
MOS is hopefully going to put DC on the right track. So far it has grossed more than:

- two Ghost Rider films,
- two Fantastic Four films,
- four X-Men films,
- a Wolverine film,
- a DareDevil film,
- two Iron Man films,
- two Hulk films,
- a Thor film,
- a Captain America film.
- surprisingly grossed more than Amazing Spider-Man domestic.

Sure Marvel is winning due to volume of films and they have all been very good for the most part but hopefully DC can get the ball rolling.

MOS hasn't outgrossed either of the first two Iron Man films...yet. But it's close to edging past them. The thing is, this is his sixth feature film, going back to 1978. He has a history of being a top movie hero franchise. Many of the other examples you listed were the first films coming out of the gate. Several of those films nearly equaled or surpassed Superman Returns in 2006, which was supposed to be the big return for Supes after a 19-year layoff.

He also hasn't beaten the domestic or international box office for Spider Man 1,2 and 3, and will fall short of the worldwide totals for Amazing Spider Man. (And these days, I think worldwide box office is the most important stat.)

We'll see if the Avengers carryover effect continues for Thor: The Dark World later this year, and Captain America: The Winter Soldier next spring. But right now, here's my list of the top safe bet box office superheroes:

1. Iron Man (will this ever change if RDJ leaves, or one film is horrible?)
2. Spider Man/Batman (tie)
4. Superman (could his next film be better and bigger?)
5. Thor (see how his next film does; rating could change)
6. Wolverine (needed for X-Men team films too, even if it's only a cameo.)
7. Captain America (will his appeal grow even more due to Avengers?)
8. Fantastic Four (supposed to be better than just OK, after two films. Coming reboot has to solve tone problem.)
9. Hulk (Almost there. Did Avengers finally put him in the right place with audiences?)
10. Ghost Rider (May have flamed out. Good news is, any future films should be Nicolas Cage-free.)

Works in progress:

1. Green Lantern (Too good a concept not to try again. Likely to wait for a future JL film.)
2. Daredevil (Marvel has the rights back.)
3. Punisher (Marvel got the rights back to him too. May be better suited to cable TV.)

Top franchises:

1. Avengers
2. Spider Man/Batman (Tie. Batman has three more films, but Spider Man has a better average per film, with no box office bomb performances.)
4. Superman/ X-Men (Tie. Superman has six films to the X-Men's five, box office high water marks with SPM:TM and MOS, but also two bombs with SPM3 and SPM4 that wrecked the franchise.)

Originally posted by roughrider
MOS hasn't outgrossed either of the first two Iron Man films...yet.

Originally posted by roughrider

He also hasn't beaten the domestic or international box office for Spider Man 1,2 and 3, and will fall short of the worldwide totals for Amazing Spider Man. (And these days, I think worldwide box office is the most important stat.)

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is still an icon. It just shows Warner bros. hasn't made a strong Superman film.

Yes, IronMan has shredded Spider-Man too. Like I said though most say Superman is the biggest icon and to shred a reboot is great news. Marvel still has SpiderMan but unlike dc is expanding.

Avengers is atop the mountain. A clear vision and other films on the way.

It's pretty clear marvel >>>>> dc in terms of box office.

It's a reboot and it's doing well for one. Not every reboot or first installment is going to make 1 billion out of the gate. Iron Man 3 had Iron Man 2 and the Avengers to boost it.

Batman Begins only made 350 million, but the Dark Knight and the Dark Knight Rises made over 1 billion. As it stands, it's already beaten the first Iron Man.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
MOS is hopefully going to put DC on the right track. So far it has grossed more than:

- two Ghost Rider films,
- two Fantastic Four films,
- four X-Men films,
- a Wolverine film,
- a DareDevil film,
- two Iron Man films,
- two Hulk films,
- a Thor film,
- a Captain America film.
- surprisingly grossed more than Amazing Spider-Man domestic.

Sure Marvel is winning due to volume of films and they have all been very good for the most part but hopefully DC can get the ball rolling.

Originally posted by Golgo13
MOS should get a little bit below 700M. But it still out grossed them.

I'm still trying to understand what everyone is trying to argue at this point and throwing these numbers out there?

Originally posted by Newjak
They aren't just winning because of bulk they also produced some of the most profitable movies there are out there. But probably won't out profit any of them.

I'm still trying to understand what everyone is trying to argue at this point and throwing these numbers out there?

I'm not arguing anything, really. Just that MOS is one of the most successful reboots and that it's a success.

Right on. I can't can't wait to see if DC will be making any film announcements at comic con.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Right on. I can't can't wait to see if DC will be making any film announcements at comic con.

I bet you that they won't. 😛 Unless it's a surprise announcement.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I'm not arguing anything, really. Just that MOS is one of the most successful reboots and that it's a success.

Originally posted by Newjak
All that is true so where is the conflict coming from?

Don't know. 😕

Originally posted by Femi32
It's a reboot and it's doing well for one. Not every reboot or first installment is going to make 1 billion out of the gate. Iron Man 3 had Iron Man 2 and the Avengers to boost it.

Batman Begins only made 350 million, but the Dark Knight and the Dark Knight Rises made over 1 billion. As it stands, it's already beaten the first Iron Man.

IronMan >>>Superman at the box office. How things are changing.

Batman films crap all over Mos but nothing compares to Avengers.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Money talks. Marvel set up a shared universe whereas dc is sill just rebooting.

IronMan >>>Superman at the box office. How things are changing.

Batman films crap all over Mos but nothing compares to Avengers.

It's not a sign of changing times. It's a sign of a movie that got a boost when it's two prequels didn't receive what Iron Man 3 is getting.

I don't know how Man of Steel 2 or 3 will do, but if it makes more than Iron Man 3, will times have changed again? People thought Spider-man was the king until Batman unseated him with the Dark Knight and repeated with the Dark Knight Rises.

I will admit Iron Man is more popular at the moment, boost or no boost. I don't really have a problem with it, because I like Iron Man, too.

I didnt care for MOS personally, but I do believe it could give DC (or WB if people are that inclined) the momentum needed to give the green light on different projects. I think a Wonder Woman film can be successful and that would be the direction I would go if I were WB.

Originally posted by Newjak
All that is true so where is the conflict coming from?

Mainly reacting to Negative MOS/DC Movies posts.

Marvel is of course way ahead on the big screen. No one's disputing that.

They have the bulk of movies which over time has lead to more disappointments but also the most profitable franchises. Not to mention having their own film studio has done them wonders on the big screen.

WB hasn't had the guts to go for bulk movies, and the one time they try it they overspend on the budget(Green Lantern), which makes them even less likely to try again.

However it's nice to know they still have their 2 big winners. Batman and Superman.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Batman films crap all over Mos but nothing compares to Avengers.

I wouldn't go that far. Both the last Batman movies made over a Billion without 3d ticket sales. TDK was especially impressive doing that back in 2008.

Originally posted by Femi32
It's not a sign of changing times. It's a sign of a movie that got a boost when it's two prequels didn't receive what Iron Man 3 is getting.

I don't know how Man of Steel 2 or 3 will do, but if it makes more than Iron Man 3, will times have changed again? People thought Spider-man was the king until Batman unseated him with the Dark Knight and repeated with the Dark Knight Rises.

I will admit Iron Man is more popular at the moment, boost or no boost. I don't really have a problem with it, because I like Iron Man, too.

👆