Yoda also stalemated Sidious. No reason to believe he became vastly more powerful between EP 2 and 3.
Plus Yoda trained Dooku so it's likely Dooku knows Yoda's style pretty well a la Anakin v Obi.
Also take into account Dooku ran from Yoda which tells us he knew he could not win where as he was actually holding off both Anakin and Obi at the same time for awhile.
Originally posted by juggerman
Yoda also stalemated Sidious.
RotS Yoda stalemated Sidious - AotC Yoda, who had tons of trouble with pre-Clone Wars Dooku, would get murdered by RotS Sidious.
Originally posted by juggerman
No reason to believe he became vastly more powerful between EP 2 and 3.
Sure, if you've just had a Lobotomy.
Originally posted by juggerman
Also take into account Dooku ran from Yoda which tells us he knew he could not win where as he was actually holding off both Anakin and Obi at the same time for awhile.
And RotS Anakin would kill that version of Dooku, and in a shorter amount of time than it took Yoda to just stalemate.
RotS Yoda stalemated Sidious - AotC Yoda, who had tons of trouble with pre-Clone Wars Dooku, would get murdered by RotS Sidious.Sure, if you've just had a Lobotomy.
And RotS Anakin would kill that version of Dooku, and in a shorter amount of time than it took Yoda to just stalemate.
Based on what? What shows Yoda getting more powerful?
Where did Yoda have trouble with Dooku? He wasn't even trying hard and was basically just holding him off. Probably because he didn't wanna kill his former padawan. Also you failed to address my point about Dooku knowing Yoda much more intimately than Anakin would.
Dooku had an advantage that Anakin won't which is hours of sparring just like Anakin had with Obi. Anakin wouldn't know what he was steping into.
Again Yoda stomps
Originally posted by juggerman
Based on what? What shows Yoda getting more powerful?
Yoda goes from having trouble lifting a steel guider, to being able to manhandle a pair of CIS Landing-craft, for one thing.
Also, his swordsmanship developed considerably in leaps, from not being able to pacify a pre-Clone Wars Dooku - to being able to disarm Sidious in sabers.
And that's just a drop in the ocean.
Originally posted by juggerman
Where did Yoda have trouble with Dooku? He wasn't even trying hard and was basically just holding him off. Probably because he didn't wanna kill his former padawan.
If Yoda could have halted Dooku with any kind of ease, he would have done so. The Republic was at stake.
Originally posted by juggerman
Also you failed to address my point about Dooku knowing Yoda much more intimately than Anakin would.Dooku had an advantage that Anakin won't which is hours of sparring just like Anakin had with Obi. Anakin wouldn't know what he was steping into.
Again Yoda stomps
Even if Yoda did win, which he wouldn't, it wouldn't be a stomp by any means.
A RotS Anakin (I should have specified we're talking about Zonakin here) is considerably beyond his Pre-Clone Wars self - prior experience with Dooku, greater swordsmanship mastery and a much more developed sense and usage in the Force.
Anakin would not only entirely know what he was stepping into - he would murder this Dooku.
Originally posted by Rookwood
Yoda goes from having trouble lifting a steel guider, to being able to manhandle a pair of CIS Landing-craft, for one thing.
Lol you think everyone got a hundred times more powerful in the clone wars.
Originally posted by Rookwood
Also, his swordsmanship developed considerably in leaps, from not being able to pacify a pre-Clone Wars Dooku - to being able to disarm Sidious in sabers.And that's just a drop in the ocean.
Neither a 900 year old Jedi Master nor a Sith Lord in his 80's are going to make any kind of significant improvement in 3 years.
Also Yoda did disarm Sidious. The scene is missed out in the film, but it's in the script. And we see in the film that one scene Yoda and Sidious are in a Saber duel, whilst in the next scene Sidious's Saber is gone.
Your also making an assumption that there's a significant difference between Sidious and Dooku in a Pure Fencing contest.
Originally posted by Rookwood
If Yoda could have halted Dooku with any kind of ease, he would have done so. The Republic was at stake.Even if Yoda did win, which he wouldn't, it wouldn't be a stomp by any means.
Ah finally I agree with you. Yes Count Dooku is one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time. He of course will not go down to Yoda in a 10 second stomp, or anything close to that.
But he will lose to Yoda.
Originally posted by Rookwood
A RotS Anakin (I should have specified we're talking about Zonakin here) is considerably beyond his Pre-Clone Wars self - prior experience with Dooku, greater swordsmanship mastery and a much more developed sense and usage in the Force.
Yes "In the Zone" Anakin with the pristine clarity he used to stomp Dooku would most likely defeat Yoda in a pure Saber duel. He might even take the all out Imo.
But 9 times out of 10 when Anakin doesn't have that pristine clarity and doesn't unleash the nuclear furnace in his heart, Yoda will stomp him.
I'd say Yoda wins after a good fight. Yoda has the advantage of speed and skill, whereas Anakin has the advantage of strength.
Comparing ROTS Anakin's fight with Dooku to AOTC Yoda's fight with Dooku, without considering the circumstances, is why ABC logic does not always work. First of all, Yoda was greatly holding back against Dooku, which is basically why he did not attack Dooku telekenetically. Second, Yoda does not have the reach that Anakin does, which would make it harder for Yoda to aim for Dooku's arms. And thirdly, Yoda does not have the strength that "in the zone" Anakin does, which is basically how Anakin eventually overcame Dooku, by wearing him down via superior strength; he did not out-skill or out-speed Dooku. So, no, just because Anakin defeated Dooku quicker than a Yoda who was holding back, does not make Anakin superior to Yoda. That's almost like saying Savage is superior to Yoda just because he disarmed Dooku and sent him flying on his back in one saber strike. We know Yoda would destroy Savage in pure sabers. Remember, Yoda did disarm Sidious, who blitzed three sabermasters in seconds, and then forced Windu (Dooku's equal) back - nearly defeating him until Windu fully tapped into Vapaad.
Also, it's worth noting that Anakin has never fought someone of Yoda's size, whereas Yoda has tons of experience fighting opponents of Anakin's size. Another advantage for Yoda.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
First of all, Yoda was greatly holding back against Dooku, which is basically why he did not attack Dooku telekenetically.
Wrong.
Maybe you need to go back and watch AotC.
The reason Yoda did not attack Dooku telekinetically, was because they had already had a contest of Force abilities, and more or less stalemated there.
"It is obvious this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force, but by our skill with the lightsaber."
―Dooku
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Second, Yoda does not have the reach that Anakin does, which would make it harder for Yoda to aim for Dooku's arms.
- And Anakin's. Thanks for helping my case. 🙂
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
And thirdly, Yoda does not have the strength that "in the zone" Anakin does, which is basically how Anakin eventually overcame Dooku, by wearing him down via superior strength; he did not out-skill or out-speed Dooku.
Go watch RotS again, buddy.
Go to the Anakin/Dooku duel - slow down and freeze-frame the seconds before Anakin chops off Dooku's hands. Watch what he does there.
Come back and tell me what happens in the seconds before. 😉
He specifically out-skilled him.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
So, no, just because Anakin defeated Dooku quicker than a Yoda who was holding back, does not make Anakin superior to Yoda.
Perhaps not, but it likely makes RotS Anakin Zonakin equal to AotC Yoda in sabers.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Remember, Yoda did disarm Sidious, who blitzed three sabermasters in seconds,
RotS Yoda did that - not AotC Yoda - who Sidious would very likely defeat in sabers.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
and then forced Windu (Dooku's equal) back - nearly defeating him until Windu fully tapped into Vapaad.
First, Windu is Dooku's superior, second - is this from that CGI series bullshit?
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Also, it's worth noting that Anakin has never fought someone of Yoda's size, whereas Yoda has tons of experience fighting opponents of Anakin's size. Another advantage for Yoda.
Zonakin could handle it.
Originally posted by Rookwood
[First, Windu is Dooku's superior, second - is this from that CGI series bullshit?
Lol. He's talking about Revenge of the Sith.
And I like how you call the CGI series bullshit, whilst using most your proof from the CW mini series.
Whether you like the show or not the CGI show IS T-Canon. That puts it higher in canonicity than any SW medium except for the movies, movie screenplays/scripts, and any direct statements from Lucas.
You thinking it's BS doesn't change that.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Lol you think everyone got a hundred times more powerful in the clone wars.
Significantly better. 😉
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Neither a 900 year old Jedi Master nor a Sith Lord in his 80's are going to make any kind of significant improvement in 3 years.
If by "significant" you mean allowing you to defeat your enemies/rivals, then yes, yes they did. 🙂
There's always room for improvement.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Also Yoda did disarm Sidious. The scene is missed out in the film, but it's in the script. And we see in the film that one scene Yoda and Sidious are in a Saber duel, whilst in the next scene Sidious's Saber is gone.
Yup. I already pointed that out. *Strokes his snout and feeds him a treat*
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Your also making an assumption that there's a significant difference between Sidious and Dooku in a Pure Fencing contest.
There is.
Dooku didn't feel he was skilled enough to challenge Sidious in combat. Period.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He of course will not go down to Yoda in a 10 second stomp, or anything close to that.But he will lose to Yoda.
Not AotC Yoda. 🙂
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yes "In the Zone" Anakin with the pristine clarity he used to stomp Dooku would most likely defeat Yoda in a pure Saber duel. He might even take the all out Imo.But 9 times out of 10 when Anakin doesn't have that pristine clarity and doesn't unleash the nuclear furnace in his heart, Yoda will stomp him.
Nope. Zonakin is who we're discussing here. Not Pre-suit Vader.
At least one person is this thread already caught onto that without needing to be told.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Lol. He's talking about Revenge of the Sith.And I like how you call the CGI series bullshit, whilst using most your proof from the CW mini series.
Whether you like the show or not the CGI show IS T-Canon. That puts it higher in canonicity than any SW medium except for the movies, movie screenplays/scripts, and any direct statements from Lucas.
You thinking it's BS doesn't change that.
Indeed, I thought he was talking about some crap from the CGI series at first.
And that CGI series still belongs in a Nick Jr television line-up.