AotC Yoda VS RoTS Anakin (Saber duel)

Originally posted by Arhael
Simple. Twice more powerful.

He has more raw power at his disposal. But realized power is something different.

Originally posted by Arhael
Undergone over 10 years of proper Jedi tutelage including 1000s hours of sparring with Kenobi. Gained hell lot of combat experience through out CW.

Have to agree with Juyomaster here. Yoda's centuries of experience and expertise pretty much dwarfs everyone else's.

Originally posted by Arhael
[B]Outskilled Dooku on two occasions, while Yoda in two longer fights never outskilled Dooku. Plenty of reasons really...

How were Yoda's fights with Dooku longer? Their Saber fight in AOTC was 30 seconds. Their fight on Vjun was presumably much longer, but it was on a planet steeped in the Dark Side.

Anakin's fight with Dooku in "Crisis on Naboo" lasted about a minute before Anakin kicked Dooku down. Note - The stairs Dooku was standing on couldn't have helped his footing, and it would be much harder to kick an opponent as small, fast and athletic as Yoda.

Finally in the Anakin vs Dooku in ROTS the whole fight was like a couple of minutes. We can't just ignore that the fight started with Obi-Wan helping Anakin which was tiring Dooku down.

Originally posted by juyomaster34

Yoda is still everywhere and nowhere for Anakin to even grab or strike him.

Yoda is just too fast and too far experience ed for Anakin.
He never rivaled Yoda.

I agree with Tempest.

Tempest didn't actually say that Anakin never rivaled Yoda so you should probably wait for him to give an opinion before agreeing with him.

I personally think ROTS Anakin may well be able to rival Yoda in a Pure Saber fight. Although I still think Yoda would probably beat him.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He has more raw power at his disposal. But realized power is something different.

Have to agree with Juyomaster here. Yoda's centuries of experience and expertise pretty much dwarfs everyone else's.

How were Yoda's fights with Dooku longer? Their Saber fight in AOTC was 30 seconds. Their fight on Vjun was presumably much longer, but it was on a planet steeped in the Dark Side.

Anakin's fight with Dooku in "Crisis on Naboo" lasted about a minute before Anakin kicked Dooku down. Note - The stairs Dooku was standing on couldn't have helped his footing, and it would be much harder to kick an opponent as small, fast and athletic as Yoda.

Finally in the Anakin vs Dooku in ROTS the whole fight was like a couple of minutes. We can't just ignore that the fight started with Obi-Wan helping Anakin which was tiring Dooku down.

Originally posted by Darth _Sadow1
Agreed. I really think that Yoda is stronger than Anakin is. All of that jumping around is Ataru which requires insane force mastery to perfect. Yoda can jump around like that for entire fights without tiring himself out. Anakin uses the Force to make his strikes stronger, but that doesn't help if anakin can't hit his target....

Yes but all that jumping around for Yoda can get tiring. Whilst Anakin only gets stronger as the fight goes on.

Strength and stamina will be in Anakin's favor. And he doesn't lack skill either. So a pure Saber duel could be a good one. But my gut says Yoda would still win.

Nah, I'd say Anakin wins. But most of the reasons Arhael provided are mildly retarded at best.

Good point, I said that in a reply before(the rival thing)
I was agreeing with his point after my reply.
Like Darth shadow said he'll have to hit Yoda first,

Yoda might get tired but when will that be?(His Force Reserves)?
if he can't hit Yoda?
What if Yoda calls the duel to an end and decides to use the Force?

I'm a Sith Fan too. I was hoping Yoda would come out of exile and give us One more match!!!!
LOL. Darth Power like always you surprise me with your RAW SIT YOUR A$$ DOWN Replies!!!

You guys are very Entertaining!!! This is fun!!!!! lol!!!

Originally posted by juyomaster34
I'm a Sith Fan too. I was hoping Yoda would come out of exile and give us One more match!!!!
LOL. Darth Power like always you surprise me with your RAW SIT YOUR A$$ DOWN Replies!!!

You guys are very Entertaining!!! This is fun!!!!! lol!!!

He has more raw power at his disposal. But realized power is something different.

Have to agree with Juyomaster here. Yoda's centuries of experience and expertise pretty much dwarfs everyone else's.

nakin's fight with Dooku in "Crisis on Naboo" lasted about a minute before Anakin kicked Dooku down.

A Note - The stairs Dooku was standing on couldn't have helped his footing, and it would be much harder to kick an opponent as small, fast and athletic as Yoda.

So question is how Yoda would outskill Anakin, if he can't even put Dooku on defencive??? People keep saying Yoda can outskill him but clueless how he gonna do it.

Yoda could win Dooku by tiring him up, not by outskilling. Same tactic fails against Anakin. Not only Anakin has more reserves but Yoda needs to waste extra power to overcome his physical limitstions as well.

We can't just ignore that the fight started with Obi-Wan helping Anakin which was tiring Dooku down.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Nah, I'd say Anakin wins. But most of the reasons Arhael provided are mildly retarded at best.

Originally posted by Arhael
How about you give reasons that are valid for you instead of giving useless rant with nothing positive in it? If you don't want to engage in the debate, then troll elsewhere.

Because POWER is rebutting your points adequately. Why should I waste my time with reiteration?

Originally posted by Arhael
What exactly do you mean by that?

Well Anakin has all that raw power at his disposal, and yet he couldn't overpower Obi-Wan in a force push contest. That's why I say having more raw power doesn't mean he's using that raw power anywhere near as effectively as a pro like Yoda is.

It will however make him stronger in a Saber fight and give him greater stamina through extra force reserves.

Originally posted by Arhael
Makes no difference. To reach prime in combat a few years needed, not centuries. Otherwise Dooku wouldn't be able to stalemate Yoda as he has centuries less experience as well.

Perhaps. But I don't think Anakin's 13 years is enough to match Yoda in skill. I'm sure Anakin's a fast learner, and he certainly fully mastered his own form, but Yoda's completely mastered every form.

If it was that easy to master forms then Obi-Wan would have already been The Master of Soresu by AOTC.

Originally posted by Arhael
Dooku engaged Yoda in pure sabers for 30 seconds. Anakin in less than 30 seconds put Dooku on defencive and forced him to rely on TK.

Tbh he just looked like he chose to fight defensively. He's fought Skywalker before so knows how strong he is. I'm sure an enraged Skywalker is Stronger than Yoda.

Originally posted by Arhael
True. Now lets take other things into consideration.
How Dooku ended up on those stairs?
Because Anakin forced Dooku to fight defencively and was driving him back.

Like I said I think Dooku just chose to fight defensively against him, since he was fending off Skywalker's attacks one handed from the get go.

It's just a different style of fighting he's chose to face Anakin with. Doesn't mean he thinks Anakin's better than Yoda. More likely he knows how to adapt his style according to his opponent.

Originally posted by Arhael
Why Dooku lost footing? Because Anakin kicked him.

True. I just pointed out if not for the stairs perhaps he wouldn't have lost his footing after the kick. Perhaps. Also the fight was much longer than the Dooku vs Yoda Saber fight.

And let's not forget Dooku's uber kick to an angry Anakin in ROTS. Not only was it clearly a much more deadly kick, but he outclassed Anakin and Obi-Wan together in that moment.

Originally posted by Arhael
Now lets put Yoda in Anakin's place. In their 30 seconds fight Dooku didn't make a single step backward and wasn't fighting defencively either, in fact he attacked Yoda more than vice versa, so Yoda wouldn't be able to corner Dooku in similar fasion. And even, if Yoda could drive him back "somehow", he can't kick either to put him on his ass, so again fail.

Like I said Anakin's stronger. He's more likely to force Dooku backwards. That doesn't necessarily make him "better" than Yoda.

And I'm not convinced Yoda can't kick. Poeple used to think he couldn't get into a Lightsaber fight. In the ROTS comic there's a scene where he kicks the Emporer. I can imagine him doing that with his athleticism and speed.

But pretty much every Jedi/Sith kicks. Or he could just resort to a force push, but I suppose we're ignoring that when talking Sabers only.

Originally posted by Arhael
So question is how Yoda would outskill Anakin, if he can't even put Dooku on defencive??? People keep saying Yoda can outskill him but clueless how he gonna do it.

Well Count Dooku outskilled Obi-Wan and Anakin together at one point in ROTS. So it's a bit strange to think it's not possible for Yoda to outskill Anakin alone.

Yoda's mastered every form, so there's plenty of different forms for him to try on Anakin.

Also Yoda would be a difficult target for Anakin. You say Yoda won't be able to kick the way Anakin could.. Ok. But do you really see Anakin landing lethal Kicks on Yoda? With Yoda's size, speed and athleticism? I only see that happening if Yoda starts tiring.

Originally posted by Arhael
We can't ignore that Dooku was as tired before fighting Yoda either. He fought both Kenobi and Anakin and used lightning against both of them. Then he attempted to Force handle Yoda as well wasting even more power. And still he had put up better fight against Yoda, than in CW against Anakin, when he was completely fresh.

True, but he fought Obi-Wan and Anakin one at a time. And they were both novice's in comparison to the Count at that time. So it wouldn't have taken anywhere near as much out of him as when he had to fight ROTS OBi-Wan and Anakin simultaneously.

He was given rest time between fights. In his fight against ROTS Anakin he wasn't given any rest at all. Right after he finished Obi-Wan, Anakin was all over him.

Still I give Count Dooku a lot of credit for the Saber fight he put up against Yoda in AOTC after just having fought 2 other opponents.

Yoda tackled Sidious in the comic, he didn't kick him. But Stover does mention that kicks and punches were exchanged between them in the ROTS book.

UMM. Arhael, what are you talking about?
Do you know how long Yoda has trained Jedi ? 800yrs !!!

Ain't NO telling how many battles!!!
His Experience alone answers any questions!!!
Combat? physical limitations?

Ataru answers Yoda 's limitations!!!
Dooku not backing up?
He didn't need to back him up,he was all over the place!!!!

Yoda lacks Anakin's brute strength.
That's the only difference in this duel!!!
Like I said we don't know how long it takes to tire Yoda.
Anakin couldn't rival him as a Swordsman in AOTC.

To be even debating about Yoda's Experience with you is nuts !!!
Combat experience two yrs?
maybe shorter or longer depends on the teacher and the techniques.

I think you got Yoda mixed up with one of your Luke crap logic.
He didn't want TO KILL Dooku.
He wanted TO STOP Dooku.

Yoda doesn't KILL any body!!!
except those stupid jungle troopers and those other clones in the Temple.

I gave Dooku his props, he did the damn thang!!!
But in both duels Yoda still gave him a good duel. (my opinion)
I'm not taking anything from either Master,

Yoda is the TOP true Ataru Master
Dooku is the TOP true Makashi Master

But if somebody that small moving that fast flipping
jumping, cartwheels,somersaults !!!! How are you gonna back up?
when he's keeping you from backing up?

And when he do back up, what's to stop him from backing up into Yoda's blade?!
Or walking in to Yoda's blade?!

Originally posted by juyomaster34
And when he do back up, what's to stop him from backing up into Yoda's blade?!
Or walking in to Yoda's blade?!

Originally posted by juyomaster34
I think you got Yoda mixed up with one of your Luke crap logic.
He didn't want TO KILL Dooku.
He wanted TO STOP Dooku.

Yoda doesn't KILL any body!!!
except those stupid jungle troopers and those other clones in the Temple.

I gave Dooku his props, he did the damn thang!!!
But in both duels Yoda still gave him a good duel. (my opinion)
I'm not taking anything from either Master,

Yoda is the TOP true Ataru Master
Dooku is the TOP true Makashi Master

But if somebody that small moving that fast flipping
jumping, cartwheels,somersaults !!!! How are you gonna back up?
when he's keeping you from backing up?

And when he do back up, what's to stop him from backing up into Yoda's blade?!
Or walking in to Yoda's blade?!

lol I never wrote one!!!!
I'm just having fun.
When I try to imagine this duel and then put it to this thread,
All I see is a blur of green light from every direction!!!!

And all I hear is Yoda screaming or grunting battle cries!!!!
Thanks for the compliment
Are they fun to write or annoying?

I wouldn't know, never read any,lol!!!
I'm just telling it like it is....
I'm just having fun,

On second thought, I agree with Tempest about Power and Arhael.
I'm moving on, I still say Yoda!!!
Who's pulling a Vitiate?

I thought I was giving Yoda and Dooku their Props?

This is a non fight... Yoda crushes Anakin with relative ease.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This is a non fight... Yoda crushes Anakin with relative ease.

He didn't even crush Count Dooku easily.

How do you expect him to crush a more powerful opponent with ease?

Because POWER is rebutting your points adequately. Why should I waste my time with reiteration?