Originally posted by jaden101
Who is it I'm supposed to be a fanboy of, exactly? What point is it I'm trying to prove?
You called every MCU villain "shit", a massive overstatement. Sure, the MCU villains aren't very developed. But in terms of villainy, they've been more than capable of offering opposition to the heroes.
Originally posted by Firefly218
You called every MCU villain "shit", a massive overstatement. Sure, the MCU villains aren't very developed. But in terms of villainy, they've been more than capable of offering opposition to the heroes.
But who am I supposed to be a fanboy of? Unless you're implying flawed logic that because I criticise the MCU villains then I automatically must be a DC fanboy. Truth is I barely know which characters belong to which because I don't read either. I judge the movies and characters based on the films only. Marvel have better protagonists and DC have better antagonists (with the exception of parallax who was pointless).
If I was to list my top 5 movies it would be Guardians of the Galaxy way out in front with Avengers and Watchmen joint 2nd then Winter Soldier, 300 and Sin City.
Hardly a list of a fanboy of any particular studio or publisher.
Joss Whedon says he'd be interested in doing a DC property.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=119636
Originally posted by jaden101Shut up, you fanboy.
But who am I supposed to be a fanboy of? Unless you're implying flawed logic that because I criticise the MCU villains then I automatically must be a DC fanboy. Truth is I barely know which characters belong to which because I don't read either. I judge the movies and characters based on the films only. Marvel have better protagonists and DC have better antagonists (with the exception of parallax who was pointless).If I was to list my top 5 movies it would be Guardians of the Galaxy way out in front with Avengers and Watchmen joint 2nd then Winter Soldier, 300 and Sin City.
Hardly a list of a fanboy of any particular studio or publisher.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I wouldn't say the Marvel villains are shit, they're just really not the focus of the movies outside of Loki. They're not even that powerful really.
Bit odd not to be the focus of the movies when 2 of the movies are named after them. Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron.
But like I say, Ultron was always on to a loser. How could he get enough screen time from a single movie competing against Hulk, Thor, Ironman, Captain America, Hawkeye, black widow, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, War Machine, Nick Fury, Agent Hill etc etc to ever get any development.
That being said a great badguy can still come from a movie with virtually no screen time. The Emperor in The Empire Strikes Back being an example.
Loki has had the benefit of 2 Thor movies and an Avengers movie to establish him and that's why he stands out from the likes of Red Skull, Stane, Vanko, Killian Etc.
Originally posted by jaden101
But who am I supposed to be a fanboy of? Unless you're implying flawed logic that because I criticise the MCU villains then I automatically must be a DC fanboy. Truth is I barely know which characters belong to which because I don't read either. I judge the movies and characters based on the films only. Marvel have better protagonists and DC have better antagonists (with the exception of parallax who was pointless).If I was to list my top 5 movies it would be Guardians of the Galaxy way out in front with Avengers and Watchmen joint 2nd then Winter Soldier, 300 and Sin City.
Hardly a list of a fanboy of any particular studio or publisher.
I don't mean DC, I meant one of those fans that find a fault and overexxagerate it to the extent that it's completely blown out of proportion. I suppose that wouldn't really fit the description of the typical fanboy, so wrong words. Point stands though.
Originally posted by Firefly218
I don't mean DC, I meant one of those fans that find a fault and overexxagerate it to the extent that it's completely blown out of proportion. I suppose that wouldn't really fit the description of the typical fanboy, so wrong words. Point stands though.
As does mine. They're all a bit, as you say, underdeveloped. DC seems to have the opposite problem of doing the same to their heroes and even when they do give bigger motivations and history they tend to not do a great job. Bale Batman is pretty detestable as heroes go with all his moping and whining about his dead non girlfriend. Supes in MoS was a bit of a boring ****. X-men has a great balance though. Shifting dynamics of good and bad. I suppose it's helped by an utterly brilliant cast with numerous Oscars winners and acclaimed stage actors. Watchmen was also brilliant for the blurred lines between good and bad. Guardians didn't have great bad guys but was virtually perfect in every other dept from characters, dialogue, action, visuals, soundtrack and plot that it could carry a film with poor antagonists without a problem.
Age of Ultron, while excellent in many aspects, doesn't quite carry it off as well as it could because Ultron is a relatively poor villain and understandably so given what I mentioned about to much competition for screen time.
I look forward to seeing more of Vision though. He was kicking ass without even looking like he was putting much effort in. I'm presuming he'll die if Thanos is to get a hold of the mind stone though.
Originally posted by jaden101Winter Soldier was phucking badass.
Bit odd not to be the focus of the movies when 2 of the movies are named after them. Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron.But like I say, Ultron was always on to a loser. How could he get enough screen time from a single movie competing against Hulk, Thor, Ironman, Captain America, Hawkeye, black widow, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, War Machine, Nick Fury, Agent Hill etc etc to ever get any development.
That being said a great badguy can still come from a movie with virtually no screen time. The Emperor in The Empire Strikes Back being an example.
Loki has had the benefit of 2 Thor movies and an Avengers movie to establish him and that's why he stands out from the likes of Red Skull, Stane, Vanko, Killian Etc.
Originally posted by jaden101
As does mine. They're all a bit, as you say, underdeveloped. DC seems to have the opposite problem of doing the same to their heroes and even when they do give bigger motivations and history they tend to not do a great job. Bale Batman is pretty detestable as heroes go with all his moping and whining about his dead non girlfriend. Supes in MoS was a bit of a boring ****. X-men has a great balance though. Shifting dynamics of good and bad. I suppose it's helped by an utterly brilliant cast with numerous Oscars winners and acclaimed stage actors. Watchmen was also brilliant for the blurred lines between good and bad. Guardians didn't have great bad guys but was virtually perfect in every other dept from characters, dialogue, action, visuals, soundtrack and plot that it could carry a film with poor antagonists without a problem.Age of Ultron, while excellent in many aspects, doesn't quite carry it off as well as it could because Ultron is a relatively poor villain and understandably so given what I mentioned about to much competition for screen time.
I look forward to seeing more of Vision though. He was kicking ass without even looking like he was putting much effort in. I'm presuming he'll die if Thanos is to get a hold of the mind stone though.
Don't forget about V for Vendetta. That was great.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakkaSpoiler:
But are they really. In terms of relevance, Hulk didn't seem an more important than Hawkeye and Marvel hasn't provided any news as to whether or not they're doing a solo Hulk movie anytime soon.[spoiler]The way the Banner/BW romance was handle, I would've figure he'd forgotten Betty even existed. However since this is supposedly the same Hulk I guess both Betty and the general have to be doing something right?
I don't think any of that invalidates the other movie, though.
Seen it a 2nd time now.
I do feel
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Thor
Neither did
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Hulk tbh apart from the movie being heavily marketed around the Hulk vs Iron Man fight.
To be perfectly honest
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Won't be watching this a 3rd time at the pictures. Watched the first Avengers like 4 or 5 times in Theatres.
Regarding villains... (And I haven't seen AoU yet)... An effective villain has to be formidable within the context of the story. Be it strength, intelligence, unlimited resources, magic powers, etc. doesn't matter. You just have to really give the heroes something to work for. Loki failed in that regard in The Avengers, treated too much like a punchline. Hopefully Ultron is better.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Regarding villains... (And I haven't seen AoU yet)... An effective villain has to be formidable within the context of the story. Be it strength, intelligence, unlimited resources, magic powers, etc. doesn't matter. You just have to really give the heroes something to work for. Loki failed in that regard in The Avengers, treated too much like a punchline. Hopefully Ultron is better.
How was Loki treated like a punchline? Because of the Hulk scene or the Black Widow scene?
Loki's role was that of a crazy, jealous, demented alien who believes in his superiority to humans. He ****ed with the Avengers like a misbehaving child, which Tom Hiddleston played fantastically imo. He's not supposed to be a dire or scary villain.
You'd kind of need to see it to really discuss what he's like. Ultron is pretty formidable, he's basically as smart as Iron Man and by the end of the movie he's about as strong as Thor. He's not a punchline, I just thought they needed more of him and not so much
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his giant robot army. He doesn't do nearly enough fighting, the bulk of it is a repeat of the Chitari getting clowned by the Avengers again. I never really got a sense of threat though, which was disappointing.
It's pretty complicated though, I'm finding it hard to solidify my thoughts on him.