Avengers: Age of Ultron

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Yea and they ****ed Thor over again, he only got one good scene with helping destroy the floating city. Now Jarvis/Vision can wield the hammer, kinda bs.. Seems like it should not be that way. Cap/Ironman/Hulk was getting all the good action scenes.

Yeah i dont like how thor is always nerfed, or holding back.
Its like superman in the justice league. Supes can pretty much take care of 90% of the problems they face alone. In the DCU he will probably hold back so batman and the others have something to do.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Yeah i dont like how thor is always nerfed, or holding back.
Its like superman in the justice league. Supes can pretty much take care of 90% of the problems they face alone. In the DCU he will probably hold back so batman and the others have something to do.

To add, they cut him out of basically the entire Ultron Prime vs Thor scene, when on to show more Hulk/Iron/Cap, then came back to him pretending to get owned by Ultron...all lame stuff. The whole comparing why Vision can lift the hammer to on how and Elevator can lift the hammer seemed fishy.

Thor could have just said he was worthy when that was clearly the case.

...Thor pretty much DID say he was worthy when he entrusted him with the mindstone. You don't entrust infinity stones to just anybody.

I don't think Thor was screwed over, though.

Because of the Avengers, he alone is actually following the Infinity Stone plot. The rest of them...aren't. They'd doing small time not so cosmic stuff.

i loved it

Originally posted by Angelalex242
...Thor pretty much DID say he was worthy when he entrusted him with the mindstone. You don't entrust infinity stones to just anybody.

I don't think Thor was screwed over, though.

Because of the Avengers, he alone is actually following the Infinity Stone plot. The rest of them...aren't. They'd doing small time not so cosmic stuff.

Yea that makes sense, I mean does Thor not killing him, make him worthy, because he already had the stone.

Because clearly he saw the infinity stones in his dream.

Originally posted by Angelalex242
...Thor pretty much DID say he was worthy when he entrusted him with the mindstone. You don't entrust infinity stones to just anybody.

I don't think Thor was screwed over, though.

Because of the Avengers, he alone is actually following the Infinity Stone plot. The rest of them...aren't. They'd doing small time not so cosmic stuff.

He didn't get enough action...like zero scenes of him fighting with Ultron. Of all people, Tony got the most..And we have had three Iron man movies...

Ironman should have

Spoiler:
died instead of quicksilver. But they need him for civil war 😬

This was not a good film, definitely on the lower spectrum of Marvel movies.

Spoiler:
Whedon punked yet another potentially great villain for the sake of cheap laughs- I'm glad he's leaving the franchise as I'm pretty sure Thanos under his writing would have the persona and menacing appeal of a Chris Tucker character.

Plot was all over the place, rushed, and with too many character pathos trying to be developed simultaneously.

Hulk and Thor were both neglected because the writers still can't figure out how to make the rest of the team useful in a fight when they're around.

Natasha/Banner shipping was super forced.

Wanda's highly interesting power-set was turned into some generic energy beam type shit.

The fight scenes were predominantly just CGI diarrhea.

I liked the creation of the new Avengers, and that Warmachine finally got to ****ing do something. Spader also did a good job with Ultron despite Whedon's every intention to make him a loony toons character. I'm glad Wanda was not turned into River. No seriously thank ****ing god she wasn't turned into River.

Overall I'd probably give it a 6-7/10. It wasn't so bad that it almost offended me like Man of Steel did, but coming after the slick production that was Winter Soldier, the flaws in this are pretty glaring.

Even Joss Whedon has to surrender to the power of Disney. Either that or he actually did drop the ball with this flick

Spoiler:
So Thanos is going to "win" in Infinity Wars or at least come close right? I mean the Avengers can't possibly use horde mode a third time especially with the Infinity Gauntlet.

Also while kind of unrelated to the movie itself, but did General Ross/US government just give up on making super soldiers/Hulks? Wasn't Banner being under constant surveillance supposed to be a big deal? The ending where he crashed lands and kind of ****'s off seems to suggest otherwise though I could be wrong.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Yea and they ****ed Thor over again, he only got one good scene with helping destroy the floating city. Now Jarvis/Vision can wield the hammer, kinda bs.. Seems like it should not be that way. Cap/Ironman/Hulk was getting all the good action scenes.

By the time JLA comes out, Aquaman will be just as if not more powerful than Thor. lol Marvel is screwing him over.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Even Joss Whedon has to surrender to the power of Disney. Either that or he actually did drop the ball with this flick

Spoiler:
So Thanos is going to "win" in Infinity Wars or at least come close right? I mean the Avengers can't possibly use horde mode a third time especially with the Infinity Gauntlet.

Also while kind of unrelated to the movie itself, but did General Ross/US government just give up on making super soldiers/Hulks? Wasn't Banner being under constant surveillance supposed to be a big deal? The ending where he crashed lands and kind of ****'s off seems to suggest otherwise though I could be wrong.

lol it is a 2 part film lol....

And people still won't give a shit about Aquaman.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Even Joss Whedon has to surrender to the power of Disney. Either that or he actually did drop the ball with this flick

Spoiler:
So Thanos is going to "win" in Infinity Wars or at least come close right? I mean the Avengers can't possibly use horde mode a third time especially with the Infinity Gauntlet.

Also while kind of unrelated to the movie itself, but did General Ross/US government just give up on making super soldiers/Hulks? Wasn't Banner being under constant surveillance supposed to be a big deal? The ending where he crashed lands and kind of ****'s off seems to suggest otherwise though I could be wrong.

It's pretty obvious Whedon did this for the money, after admitting he got paid more for Dr. Horrible than he did for Avengers1, but then it was nice seeing a big cheque for Avengers2.

Given that and how exhausted he was after A1, and the fact that he's happy to leave now after A2 and has little/no interest in coming back to the MCU, it's clear to me A1 was him showing why he's Whedon, and A2 being for the money he should have got for the first.

Originally posted by Angelalex242

I don't think Thor was screwed over, though.

Oh he was.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
This was not a good film, definitely on the lower spectrum of Marvel movies.

Spoiler:
Whedon punked yet another potentially great villain for the sake of cheap laughs- I'm glad he's leaving the franchise as I'm pretty sure Thanos under his writing would have the persona and menacing appeal of a Chris Tucker character.

Plot was all over the place, rushed, and with too many character pathos trying to be developed simultaneously.

Hulk and Thor were both neglected because the writers still can't figure out how to make the rest of the team useful in a fight when they're around.

Natasha/Banner shipping was super forced.

Wanda's highly interesting power-set was turned into some generic energy beam type shit.

The fight scenes were predominantly just CGI diarrhea.

I liked the creation of the new Avengers, and that Warmachine finally got to ****ing do something. Spader also did a good job with Ultron despite Whedon's every intention to make him a loony toons character. I'm glad Wanda was not turned into River. No seriously thank ****ing god she wasn't turned into River.

Overall I'd probably give it a 6-7/10. It wasn't so bad that it almost offended me like Man of Steel did, but coming after the slick production that was Winter Soldier, the flaws in this are pretty glaring.

I agree with a good chunk of this. The only thing I can think of in regards to relatively weak showings for Hulk and Thor and the new Avengers team seeming weak in comparison is that in Infinity Wars 1 they will get utterly ***** stomped and the only one who will put up a decent fight is Vision who will eventually be killed giving Thanos the last infinity stone. Thor will likely be defeated in Ragnarok as well and Hulk's disappearing act means the 2 of them will return in IW2 and save the day with powers way above what they've shown so far.

I'm in the theater for this right now

Originally posted by Firefly218
I'm in the theater for this right now

Put your phone away then, assface. You're one of those people.

As I expected/feared it was Avengers 1 with a fresh coat of paint. Fortunately it wasn't as tired or bad as I expected. In fact i'd say it was better than Avengers 1.

Villain: Age of Ultron. Much better solo physical threat. Had a much better plan. Were it not for the obligatory plot trapdoor that gives the heroes a way out he would have succeeded. Loki's plans of conquering Earth with the Chitauri were finished the second Thor showed up. Loki was a better character, however, although both of their motivations were kind of generic. Ultron's only flaw was that

Spoiler:
he didn't want to kill the Avengers right off the bat

Plot: Age of Ultron. Not much better than the original, and both are pretty thin, but at least the heroes needed to do some detective work in order to figure out Ultron's plans whereas Thor told everyone about the Chitauri right of the bat. It also did an adequate job of introducing a few new significant characters.

Musical Score: Tie. Neither has a remarkable soundtrack. A slight nod to the original for blasting the main theme perfectly during the "I'm always angry" scene. AoU missed that.

Dialogue: Avengers. Not necessarily better writing, but the subject matter of the protagonists coming together for the first time led the better conversations. AoU also went overboard with the jokes.

Characters: Tie. A smaller cast should theoretically lead to more focus on each character but the only person the original cared about spotlighting was Iron Man. AoU at least has an excuse for spreading it out but still managed to focus on Hawkeye. Speaking of which, why is Hawkeye labeled useless and not Widow? He has a ton of specialty arrows and martial arts skill, all she has are a couple of pistols and hand tasers with martial arts skill with considerably less muscle mass. I guess she's better eye candy for public relations but come on. Also

Spoiler:
the impact of killing off an Avenger (who they should still be able to bring back Coulson-style) was lessened by the fact that it was his first film.

Action: Age of Ultron. Quality and quantity, hands down.

I won't deny that there is this strange, underlying hollowness to the film, but it's still second in the MCU to me, behind The Winter soldier.

I enjoyed the film. Wasn't perfect. These were the flaws I found:

- Too much tony/IM
- WOW factor gone seeing all the avengers together.
- Ultron's origin was rushed. The whole movie felt a bit rushed as well. With all the characters it probably had to be this way if they didnt want the movie being 4 hours long. Or the heroes suffering putting all the spotlight on Ultron (ala. Nolan).
- Unnecessary

Spoiler:
death of QS. Should have been IM, but cival war

Everything else was fine , action, humor, Vision was great, good set ups for future films.

That being said im 100% for the russo's taking over the franchise. 👆
Seems Whedons drive and interest in the MCU has withered a bit.

Well...there's always a powerhouse on the team, and the trick is making sure the powerhouse doesn't wrap the scene up while the rest of the team stand around like useless idiots.

It's like trying to run a D&D game with 2 level 20 characters (Hulk, Thor), a level 16 character(Iron Man), a level 12 character(Cap), and a couple level 10s(Widow, Hawkeye).