Avengers: Age of Ultron

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ I'm sure if their motor cars were going on a killing spree trying to mass murder people, then the motor car companies would get more than just fines.

And of course it's illegal for Tony to make a "world peace keeping army" without anyone's consent Lol

And of course he'd face more than just fines if his robotic army's AI attempted to destroy the human race. Especially when he was messing with technology that wasn't his own and that he wasn't sanctioned to mess with.

It's the Avenger's job to protect the world, I'm not sure he needs anyone's consent.

And didn't Tony basically shutdown all wars on the planet by himself by Ironman 2?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ I'm sure if their motor cars were going on a killing spree trying to mass murder people, then the motor car companies would get more than just fines.

And of course it's illegal for Tony to make a "world peace keeping army" without anyone's consent Lol

So it's hard for me to say that Tony with no knowledge of what was about to happen would get worse.

Also private contracting security forces are a thing. So the Avengers are not breaking any laws by existing.

What might get them in trouble is if they operated without regards to international laws.

Originally posted by Quincy
Tony Stark didn't make a trans-am, he made a sentient killer psycho-bot that attempted to murder the planet.

He secretly experimented on powers beyond his control without any thought of the consequences and countless people died. Except all he does is crack-wise and all of it's okay, and the Avengers are cool with. That's terrifying.

He created an AI to protect the planet that went wrong, he caused no intentional harm and went to great personal length's to minimize the casualties and shut Ultron down.

Yeah it is, that's a big part of the film and imo should be brought up in Civil War. The bizarre thing is that Tony is the perfect example of why superheroes need oversight of their actions. He was absolutely in the wrong here, I'm just not convinced it would be possible to charge him with anything.

What Stark did was illegal. No question about it. But then this is a movie where he is legally allowed to fly around with missiles through New York...

BTW, it's worth noting that some people have been recently arrested when their program bought drugs online without their knowledge.

Edit: Actually only the bot was arrested. 😛

Why would a program buy drugs?

Originally posted by ares834
What Stark did was illegal. No question about it. But then this is a movie where he is legally allowed to fly around with missiles through New York...

Heck the trial would probably get incredibly crazy and ground breaking with the introduction of true AI into the equation if someone did try to charge him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Why would a program buy drugs?

It randomly bought stuff off the Internet.

Originally posted by Newjak
How is what he did illegal. People do AI work all the time and don't get arrested.

Heck the trial would probably get incredibly crazy and ground breaking with the introduction of true AI into the equation if someone did try to charge him.

Their AI also doesn't go insane, massacre hundreds of people, and attempt to cause the next extinction event...

Originally posted by ares834
Their AI also doesn't go insane, massacre hundreds of people, and attempt to cause the next extinction event...

Like I said AI would be tricky as clearly Ultron was acting on its own directives and decisions.

Didn't Tony create him with the intent to protect humanity, he just doofed it up and it became "To save humanity I have to kill humanity."

That was Starks directive

Originally posted by Newjak
Also if something is true AI is the person that created it responsible for its actions or would it be like a parent being accused of the actions of their children?

Like I said AI would be tricky as clearly Ultron was acting on its own directives and decisions.

I don't really see it tricky at all. He recklessly experimented on Ultron with no oversight and little to no security measures.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It's the Avenger's job to protect the world, I'm not sure he needs anyone's consent.

Yeah the Avenger's job. Not Tony's job. Remember how he didn't even discuss it with the rest of the team because he knew what they would say?

Also protecting the planet from massive scale threats is a bit different to creating a world peace keeping robot army. And he was messing with technology that didn't belong to him and that he wasn't authorised to. What gave him more right to do so than Baron Strucker.

What he did was illegal on so many levels.

Originally posted by Newjak
Also if something is true AI is the person that created it responsible for its actions

Best-case scenario, Tony's actions would easily be a case of criminal negligence.

Originally posted by Nephthys

And didn't Tony basically shutdown all wars on the planet by himself by Ironman 2?

Apparently he privatized world peace. Not entirely sure what that meant. But it seemed to have been done through the legal process.

Still what he did here was clearly not sanctioned in any way.

Bruce: Tony we shouldn't do this. It's dangerous.

Tony: What that's silly we're MAD SCIENTISTS

Bruce: ... okay that's...weird reasoning. Can we at least tell the team?

Tony: No way! They will tell me it's dangerous and bad.

*Creates Ultron*

*People die*

*A country is destroyed*

Avengers: Tony!

Tony: Aw shucks! Sassy comment.

Everyone high fives.

Credits.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Yes, as the expectations would be to create safe-guards/limit its capabilities so that it couldn't do something dangerous.

Best-case scenario, Tony's actions would easily be a case of criminal negligence.

Of course I do agree that Tony was reckless.

The entire events of the movie were directly CAUSED by the Avengers. It was basically 2 hours of watching them clean up their mess as people died all around them. These are the HEROES.

Originally posted by Quincy
Bruce: Tony we shouldn't do this. It's dangerous.

Tony: What that's silly we're MAD SCIENTISTS

Bruce: ... okay that's...weird reasoning. Can we at least tell the team?

Tony: No way! They will tell me it's dangerous and bad.

*Creates Ultron*

*People die*

*A country is destroyed*

Avengers: Tony!

Tony: Aw shucks! Sassy comment.

Everyone high fives.

Credits.

You forgot the part where he decides to try again. Second time's the charm right?

Originally posted by Quincy
The entire events of the movie were directly CAUSED by the Avengers. It was basically 2 hours of watching them clean up their mess as people died all around them. These are the HEROES.

Don't see the problem with that. Those are often the most entertaining stories.