Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Apparently Whedon was forced to shut his Twitter account down when "feminists" verbally attacked him for the sterile/monster anecdote & an implied rape joke made in AOU.
I got into a flame war with those ****ers on Twitter. You can dislike a person all you want, harassment though is pathetic.
Whedon fought with Marvel on lots of things. Executives forced him to include Thor/EricSelvig cave scene
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/joss-whedon-avengers-age-ultron-793502
I liked the cave scene. Not sure why it was bad. The more stuff like that in the films, the better.
Also, Tony Stark is a known womanizer and he's implicitly sexist (his actions make him so). Of course Tony Stark would want to have sex with the maidens in Asgard: that's his character. We are supposed to guffaw at Tony's shitty view of woman at that scene. Tony said it. It was expected. That's not a line Steve Rogers would utter. If they wanted to pander to the shit-fest-feminists, they could have had Steve roll his eyes or give a look of disgust. But that's a bit forced, imo.
I had to explain the Prima nocta joke to my date. 😐 Most people won't get it or even care. For me, this is another "why do people make big deals out of nothing" thing.
Originally posted by Quincy
I really dug Quickilver, though.Spoiler:
Do you folks think his death was just in direct response to Fox?
loool
I wish that didn't happen.
Spoiler:
He was a good character towards the second half of the film. He was very bland/generic in the beginning but he grew into a character you would like.
A spoiler cast with Joss Whedon revealed quite a few cool bits
Marvel never planned for Captain America and Black Widow to be romantically involved, but a relationship between her and Hawkeye was planned. Whedon fought against it because he wanted to show that men and women can be great friends without having sex.
Whedon and the studio had the idea to pair up Banner and the Black Widow after their scene in the hut in “The Avengers”. Whedon also had Banner toy with a cradle in a scene in reference to his inability to have children, which he thought was an interesting concept.
Spoiler:
Whedon teased several times that Hawkeye would die to make Quicksilver’s death more surprising.Whedon decided to kill one of the Twins because he believed killing a young character would be more striking, and he chose Quicksilver because he didn’t want to kill the only other female superhero in the movie.
Whedon regrets reviving Coulson as it devalues his death in “The Avengers”, and wants Quicksilver’s death to be permanent.
Whedon tried to keep Quicksilver’s death a surprise by announcing Aaron Taylor-Johnson had a three-picture contract and preventing Jeremy Renner from mentioning being in “Civil War”, but that didn’t work out.
There’s an alternative ending where Quicksilver survives the barrage of bullets and recovers with Dr. Cho’s medical technology, and later joins the New Avengers aloingside Wanda in a new uniform.
There’s an alternative version of the bedroom scene in which Banner rejects Black Widow, and an alternative version of her bringing out the Hulk that was cut because it was cool, but didn’t fit the narrative.
There are deleted scenes with a subplot about Hawkeye building a tool shed that he never finishes because he’s always off with the Avengers.
There are deleted scenes highliting Quicksilver’s womanizing exploits.
In the original cut, the pool that Thor and Erik Selvig locate is a way to speak with the Norms. Thor goes into the pool and is possessed by them, allowing Selvig to question them about Thor’s visions, with them responding through Thor, but is was not well-received by test-audiences.
Originally, Thor would have two visions, with the second one being him conversing with Loki in a burning Asgard.
Marvel Studios executives didn’t want to include the team’s visions and Hawkeye’s farm. The latter was once left in when Whedon agreed to cut the cave subplot to the mininal requirement to move the plot along.
Whedon originally planned for Captain Marvel and Spider-Man to be part of the New Avengers, but agreements couldn’t be made in time, and when both became available, it was too late to reshoot the scene.
Marvel and Sony discussing integrating “The Amazing Spider-Man” to the MCU by featuring OsCorp Tower on the New York City skyline in “The Avengers”, but agreements couldn’t be reached in time.
Whedon regrets not having a longer final cut so the movie could breathe a little more, and feels he overstuffed it a bit.
Whedon wanted the Avengers to go to Sokovia still at odds with each other, and only truly come together in the church, and felt that Vision proving himself by lifting Mjolnir was the best way to explain why they’d let him accompany them.
The final battle was reworked several times, and entire action sequences and combos were cut and rearranged.
The script called for the Quinjet where Hulk is locked up to reach the stratosphere, where the Hulk could see stars, as Whedon wanted to indicate he’s “leaving the world behind”. Marvel shot it down because it’d just lead people to think of Planet Hulk, and they’re not doing that.
Whedon added the Thanos stinger because he wanted to have one final scene with him before leaving the franchise.
Originally posted by Quincy
Marvel never planned for Captain America and Black Widow to be romantically involved, but a relationship between her and Hawkeye was planned. Whedon fought against it because he wanted to show that men and women can be great friends without having sex.
Well...Joss Whedon just went up 2 cool points in my book for that. That's awesome.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I liked the cave scene. Not sure why it was bad. The more stuff like that in the films, the better.Also, Tony Stark is a known womanizer and he's implicitly sexist (his actions make him so). Of course Tony Stark would want to have sex with the maidens in Asgard: that's his character. We are supposed to guffaw at Tony's shitty view of woman at that scene. Tony said it. It was expected. That's not a line Steve Rogers would utter. If they wanted to pander to the shit-fest-feminists, they could have had Steve roll his eyes or give a look of disgust. But that's a bit forced, imo.
I had to explain the Prima nocta joke to my date. 😐 Most people won't get it or even care. For me, this is another "why do people make big deals out of nothing" thing.
loool
I wish that didn't happen.
Spoiler:
He was a good character towards the second half of the film. He was very bland/generic in the beginning but he grew into a character you would like.
I'm interested in seeing that Alternate "New Avengers" uniform for Quicksilver...
Originally posted by |King Joker|
"Whedon fought against it because he wanted to show that men and woman can be great friends without having sex."Respect. 👆
LoL, lame. 👇
In Avengers BW and HE flirted constantly and we got a strong hint that they were in the very least friends-with-benefits. Then suddenly we learn he's not only married, but has children and BW is just his BFF and there's zero chemistry between them.
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, lame. 👇In Avengers BW and HE flirted constantly and we got a strong hint that they were in the very least friends-with-benefits. Then suddenly we learn he's not only married, but has children and BW is just his BFF and there's zero chemistry between them.
This is true. It should've been established from the get-go rather than have Black Widow wear an arrow pendant around her neck all of Winter Soldier
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, lame. 👇In Avengers BW and HE flirted constantly and we got a strong hint that they were in the very least friends-with-benefits. Then suddenly we learn he's not only married, but has children and BW is just his BFF and there's zero chemistry between them.
Bucky and Steve had an even more intimate thing going on in Winter Soldier but they were "just friends."
🙂
Also, it is still possible that before Hawkeye got married, he had a thing with BW. 🙂 🙂 🙂
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, lame. 👇In Avengers BW and HE flirted constantly and we got a strong hint that they were in the very least friends-with-benefits. Then suddenly we learn he's not only married, but has children and BW is just his BFF and there's zero chemistry between them.
BW was concerned for Hawkeye in Avengers 1 because they're best friends. Get your ****ing mind out of the gutter ❌