Watching it now and I still don't see the ease. Evading/blocking strikes doesn't indicate the ease with which it is done. Dooku gives ground, gets ragdolled by Savage literally the first time their blades meet, and spends more time isolating him via Force lightning and trying to get his saber back. He's definitely their superior, especially when the Force comes into play, but I'm not seeing the ease.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Eh, it indicates it to me. Being able to straight up dance around your opponent without even having to use your weapon indicates a large element of superiority in my opinion. What else would indicate ease?
I don't think so. It could be that Dooku, having trained Asajj, knows her technique well enough to predict her moves well enough to evade them or, equally likely, that his power in the Force affords him enough speed and precognition to evade them.
But as Dooku says later, Ventress was able to match him with her "pet."
Originally posted by Nephthys
Both of which still equal him dodging her with ease. 😬 I was also talking about Opress btw.
The "ease" is in your mind, son. Dooku and the official site say otherwise.
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Originally posted by Nephthys No, he says that she isn't able to match him without her monster, not that she could with him. 😛 [/B]
Same thing, bro.
Yes, you are both my son and my bro.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You're right. If we talk about pure fencing, Count Dooku is likely the most skilled in the PT era (except Yoda). The Master of Makashi has to mean that much at least. Saying anything else is stupid.But overall in close combat Maul may be a more skilled combatant, because you have to factor in his martial art skills, mastery of more unorthodox weapons like the Saber staff and fighting forms like Teras Kasi, Jar Kai e.t.c.
Now comparing Current Maul to Dooku I'm thinking about the Dooku vs Ventress & Opress fight, and thinking if we replaced Dooku with Maul in that fight, then Opress would have been cut down quite quickly which would have just left Maul vs Ventress.
On the other hand that maybe a bad A>B>C argument. Dunno.
I do not believe that in a 2 v 1 fight Maul could dispense of Savage as easily as you think.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Eh, it indicates it to me. Being able to straight up dance around your opponent without even having to use your weapon indicates a large element of superiority in my opinion. What else would indicate ease?
That suggested Dooku was faster. But then as soon as their blades connected Dooku was floored, suggesting Opress was stronger.
But being floored and disarmed of your weapon is hardly an indication of it being an easy fight for the Count. And the fact is he never actually defeated either one of them (in the 2 on 1).
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I do not believe that in a 2 v 1 fight Maul could dispense of Savage as easily as you think.
I still think he would cut him down fairly quickly though. Opress's strength doesn't seem to bother Maul one bit making him almost a non-factor to Maul.
The evolution of fighting has shown us that ultimately, striking prevails over grappling. Fights start off standing and stay that way unless somebody is able to take it to the ground. And that to defend against the TD you don;t have to be even as close to as good as they are at grappling, you just need to be quite good at the defence. So ultimately the fight will stay in its neutral state, that is standing, unless one of them is really bad at TDD. This is why, ultimately, the style of fighting that truly prevails is stirking + TDD. I see no reason why this would be any different in Star wars, A FAR MORE evolved society. As direct force attacks, such as telikenesis, are essentially a form of grappling, all a fighter needs to learn to do is defend against the TD to remain competitive, and keep the fight standing, in its neutral state.
Maul is one such fighter, An incredibly powerful Sith Apprentice that has shown immunity to mind control and electricity, he is far too powerful to be taken down by Dooku with TK. So as Maul can defend against the TD the fight remains standing, in which case Maul can easily outstrike Dookue, either to a decision win, a TKO/KO or decapitation. He is a master of multiple styles and far more athletic. This fight plays out no more different than Junior Dos Santos vs Cain Velasquez. Ultimately the superior striker with TDD prevails.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
That suggested Dooku was faster. But then as soon as their blades connected Dooku was floored, suggesting Opress was stronger.
Indeed, however being faster is much more important in a lightsaber fight, where every strike is either fatal or crippling. All Dooku needed to do is get around Opress' guard once (which he did imo) and hit him once to win the fight.
Originally posted by iheartchael
Strenght is also important when the sabers clash however. A strong guard weill help withstand a strong attack. A strong attack will wear down opponent's sword, stance, heart and cardio. It depends on the style but usually i agree, speed is more important.
Pretty much yes. Strength can be a deciding factor, but if you don't need to clash sabers because you're that much faster then it becomes obsolete.