Current Gen Console Discussions (PS5, Xbox Series X, Switch (Pro?) OFFICIAL THREAD

Started by Smasandian134 pages

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Sony catered to the gaming crowd almost exclusively during the conference because of how badly they got spanked in the beginning of the last console war. After years of the PS3 having a reputation for being non-developer friendly, they wanted to come out of the gate this time promoting the notion that they're very developer friendly and care primarily about the gaming experience.

So maybe they'll talk about TV at E3, or maybe TV isn't a big deal to them because they know only a single country in the world watches the NFL and everyone else already has Netflix and a cable box.

Considering that the Wii openly didn't give a shit about multi-media and only focused on playing games (albeit, mostly lousy ones), I'd say that the Wii's success proves my point more than his. People had to choose between a video game player/blu-ray device or a video game player, and they chose the latter.

Really? People will always choose a video game player over a videogame player/ blu ray player?

Then I guess having a DVD player in the PS2 didn't help Sony at all, or wait a minute, didn't the PS3 have a Blu Ray player in it? And I'm mistaken was it a huge selling feature for it at release?

But I guess nobody bought those machines.....

Is that what I said, or are you strawmanning because you have nothing better to do?

I take it none of the people on this site like Nintendo.

I liked the DS Lite, since then no, not really.

Originally posted by VG_Addict
I take it none of the people on this site like Nintendo.

Maybe a majority don't, but you'd be dead wrong to say none do.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Is that what I said, or are you strawmanning because you have nothing better to do?

"People had to choose between a video game player/blu-ray device or a video game player, and they chose the latter?"

That's what you said right?

Both PS2 and PS3 were lauded for having the ability to play media. That's what the XBOX One does as well. Play videogames, Blu-Ray, streaming and cable. It's just doing what all the other consoles can do.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Where are those games? Where's all the marketing for all the cool shit the Xbox One is going to do for games and for gamers? Oh right, nowhere. E3? E3 isn't here yet, so no one cares about E3.

People don't buy Xbox's so that they can watch Football. You know who buys Xbox's? Gamers. You know who watched that conference? Gamers. So when your primary demographic is gamers, and you conference doesn't show a single thing that benefits gamers, it only makes sense that you'll hear a lot of negative backlash from... gamers.

Oh, I can watch NFL, Netflix and TV on my Xbox? Cool, I can do that on my tablet, laptop, PC and TV already. But what about... the games?

Not being able to trade disks around with your friends, and the console basically being a 500 dollar paper weight if it doesn't get to connect to the internet at least once a day, is just shit icing on the ass flavored cake.

The clearest most reasonable writing about "what went wrong" in that conference that I have read.

More on topic, consoles are turning into....un-upgradable PCs. 😐

Tells me we should just stick to our PCs and forget about this generation of consoles. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
Tells me we should just stick to our PCs and forget about this generation of consoles. 🙂

We should just stick to our PCs and forget about this generation of consoles ..

I'll be the first one to tell you.

And on a side note, I'm getting sick of seeing these articles online talking about how the ps4 will be many times more powerful than current top end pc's.

It's like, stop.

I'm with dadudedemon and firstofthepcstar

I'll get a PS4 when it gets 1 or 2 pricedrops and if it has great games I can't play on my rig.

Originally posted by Smasandian
"People had to choose between a video game player/blu-ray device or a video game player, and they chose the latter?"

That's what you said right?

The Wii outsold the PS3 by almost 50,000 units. The Wii, that one console who's developers outright stated that they didn't give much of a shit about their device being a "multi-media" device? The PS3 was toted as a multi-media device, but it's Blu-Ray player didn't save it from finishing last in the console war, did it? Which is my point. The primary demographic who buys consoles are gamers, thus it stands to reason that if your console is perceived as being more focused on multi-media than playing games, gamers are going to be turned off. That's a hard lesson Sony had to swallow last generation, and it's one that Nintendo knew coming out of the gate, which served them well.

The primary demographic of Microsoft's conference were gamers. Yet the only thing we learned about the One that's relevant to games are that 1. If you can't get it connected to an internet connection every day, then **** you. None of the games you've spent hundreds of dollars on will work, and 2. If you want to take one or some of those games that you spent hundreds of dollars on and loan them to your best friend then **** you, you'll be required to basically buy the game again in order to play it under a profile that isn't yours.

Neither of those features are gamer friendly features, so it doesn't take a genius to figure out why gamers might be less than impressed after watching Microsoft's conference. "Oh boy, Microsoft's going to basically **** me up the ass seven ways from sunday, but at least I'll be able to throw away my cable box, laptop, tablet, cellphone, PC and all the other devices that I've spent thousands of dollars on. Thanks for making my life easier, Microsoft!" C'mon.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
The Wii outsold the PS3 by almost [b]50,000 units.[/B]

Not in the stats I'm reading.

Unless you mean in a philosophical way..and then why not go for almost 2 billion units?

"Microsoft Vows To Support Indie Developers on Xbox One."

A report last week that the next Xbox console won't allow independent game developers to self-publish on the Xbox One gave people yet another next-gen Xbox thing to stew about. But Microsoft's Xbox chief says that Xbox One will have some sort of indie-friendly program.

http://kotaku.com/microsoft-vows-to-support-indie-developers-on-xbox-one-510129167

None of you are Nintendo fans.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
The Wii outsold the PS3 by almost [b]50,000 units. The Wii, that one console who's developers outright stated that they didn't give much of a shit about their device being a "multi-media" device? The PS3 was toted as a multi-media device, but it's Blu-Ray player didn't save it from finishing last in the console war, did it? Which is my point. The primary demographic who buys consoles are gamers, thus it stands to reason that if your console is perceived as being more focused on multi-media than playing games, gamers are going to be turned off. That's a hard lesson Sony had to swallow last generation, and it's one that Nintendo knew coming out of the gate, which served them well.

The primary demographic of Microsoft's conference were gamers. Yet the only thing we learned about the One that's relevant to games are that 1. If you can't get it connected to an internet connection every day, then **** you. None of the games you've spent hundreds of dollars on will work, and 2. If you want to take one or some of those games that you spent hundreds of dollars on and loan them to your best friend then **** you, you'll be required to basically buy the game again in order to play it under a profile that isn't yours.

Neither of those features are gamer friendly features, so it doesn't take a genius to figure out why gamers might be less than impressed after watching Microsoft's conference. "Oh boy, Microsoft's going to basically **** me up the ass seven ways from sunday, but at least I'll be able to throw away my cable box, laptop, tablet, cellphone, PC and all the other devices that I've spent thousands of dollars on. Thanks for making my life easier, Microsoft!" C'mon. [/B]

Gamers. 😐

I think it depends on the multimedia. Nearly all of my friends own a 360. All of them use it for Netflix/DvDs more than actual gaming. Phones have replaced the functionality of computers for many. It only makes sense that in each new generation, there will be more overlap with other technologies on consoles. Because if PS and XBox cater only to gamers, they'll be bought out by phone app Candy Crush Saga descendents in a decade or so. In that same timeframe, I'd be a bit shocked if we didn't have all-in-one boxes that do all of these things and more with only one service/box.

I think where your argument still has merit is where they do these things and seem to sacrifice the gaming experience. That's the distinction you need to make a bit more clearly, and the one that is obviously applicable in this case.

I'm also not sure the Nintendo comparison is a good one. It serves to make your point, and in so far as Nintendo has kept the focus on games, I agree with you. But the companies are clearly pursuing different business models with their consoles. I don't know that expanding to include a lot of different media is bad. Pending implementation, it's probably a positive.

Frankly, the XBox One's "sticking points" with critics probably won't affect me, and I'll probably take advantage of some of the new features. I realize I don't speak for any kind of majority, but I don't think it's unreasonable to think that at least a portion of their target audience could concur. Connecting to the internet? Oh no, whatever will we do?!?! Some lonely stoner with a gaming fetish and no internet is screwed. The rest of us are probably ok. If you're dropping hundreds on consoles, I'm willing to guess you're running at least Windows 98 with a lightning-fast 56K modem. The sharing thing I'll concede (for some). Again, it won't affect me, but it's a legit gripe. Still, lots of time. I wouldn't be surprised to see that overturned.

Also, Blue Ray is how old now? And we still can't call it the standard for DvDs. It didn't get crushed Betamax style, but it's also far from ubiquitous in our media consumption. Your Sony example falls a bit flat, because I think they just picked the wrong horse to bet on with that.

Long story short, I agree with you, I just needed to frame it differently.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Not in the stats I'm reading.

Unless you mean in a philosophical way..and then why not go for almost 2 billion units?

You're right, it's 30 million. I don't know where I got 40 from.

The Wii can do Netflix, by the way.

But, yeah...these new consoles just look like shittier PCs that can't be upgraded. This next generation of consoles are just catching up to where PCs were in 2004 with Media Center Edition of XP. 😐 😐

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Originally posted by VG_Addict
None of you are Nintendo fans.

Even if I'm not as much of one as I used to be, I am to an extent, but apparently you haven't met ScreamPaste and the gang here. lol

He certainly has not.

I consider him lucky.

Originally posted by dadudemon
The Wii can do Netflix, by the way.

But, yeah...these new consoles just look like shittier PCs that can't be upgraded. This next generation of consoles are just catching up to where PCs were in 2004 with Media Center Edition of XP. 😐 😐

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Basically. I may be done with consoles. My computer is already 3 years ahead of the next generation that's coming out.

Originally posted by Digi
Basically. I may be done with consoles. My computer is already 3 years ahead of the next generation that's coming out.

what spec you got?