Originally posted by Morridini
But the things is, you really shouldn't. Sony and Microsoft are clearly cutting too many corners and ignoring quality assurance.For comparison, was there anything like this going on when the Wii U released?
You're correct. They should know, at launch, down to the hundredths decimal place (or better), how often their hardware is going to fail.
While the testing will not be nearly as rigorous, take a look at another huge electronics manufacturer's tests (anyone interested in electronics should watch this whole video):
I'm saying they know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, how often it is going to fail. The failure rate is put into a Business/Risk/Financial Impact Assessment (BIA, FIA, RIA...really depends on who is doing what and why during their transition processes), as much mitigated as possible or whatever they will agree upon, and then the residual risk accepted and moved to the next phase of production.
Basically, the know how often it will fail down to a very accurate percentage and then they accept that risk and move on with the product, anyway.
So, it is not at though they are ignoring the various phases of testing, they just accept the risk results from those tests. I can imagine in the Executive Summary of the BIA, they probably wrote something like, "Mitigating the top 10 causes of failure would bring the failure rate down to .04%. However, we do not find the top 10 failure causes to be a significant enough Business Risk to justify the cost of mitigation. We find the public relations, vendor servicing costs, and warranty costs to be acceptable financial risks."
And in this report would be business modeling of the various Business Impacts the failures would cause their strategy planning (they would have 2-3 business strategies that would be consistently referenced and justified throughout the massive BIA).
So when I say they know damn well what to expect, they really do.
Edit - Do you think they sometimes grossly underestimate the PR blowback from these failures (such as Microsoft's RRoD fiasco)? It makes me think that the businessmen just don't have as good of a grasp on modern use of communication systems (YouTube, techblogs, bla bla bla). Is this a sign of top-tier businessmen showing their antiquated approaches?
Most electronics have issues.
As long as the manufacturer deals with them properly (free repair during warrenty, free shipping or replacement), then any hardware issues should be fine.
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/my-perspective-on-the-wii-u-quality-control-disaster.452762229/
Originally posted by dadudemon
You're correct. They should know, at launch, down to the hundredths decimal place (or better), how often their hardware is going to fail.While the testing will not be nearly as rigorous, take a look at another huge electronics manufacturer's tests (anyone interested in electronics should watch this whole video):
I'm saying they know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, how often it is going to fail. The failure rate is put into a Business/Risk/Financial Impact Assessment (BIA, FIA, RIA...really depends on who is doing what and why during their transition processes), as much mitigated as possible or whatever they will agree upon, and then the residual risk accepted and moved to the next phase of production.
Basically, the know how often it will fail down to a very accurate percentage and then they accept that risk and move on with the product, anyway.
So, it is not at though they are ignoring the various phases of testing, they just accept the risk results from those tests. I can imagine in the Executive Summary of the BIA, they probably wrote something like, "Mitigating the top 10 causes of failure would bring the failure rate down to .04%. However, we do not find the top 10 failure causes to be a significant enough Business Risk to justify the cost of mitigation. We find the public relations, vendor servicing costs, and warranty costs to be acceptable financial risks."
And in this report would be business modeling of the various Business Impacts the failures would cause their strategy planning (they would have 2-3 business strategies that would be consistently referenced and justified throughout the massive BIA).
So when I say they know damn well what to expect, they really do.
Edit - Do you think they sometimes grossly underestimate the PR blowback from these failures (such as Microsoft's RRoD fiasco)? It makes me think that the businessmen just don't have as good of a grasp on modern use of communication systems (YouTube, techblogs, bla bla bla). Is this a sign of top-tier businessmen showing their antiquated approaches?
Your going to get PR blowback even if your an expert PR firm with a solid grasp of social media. The RRoD is still fresh in peoples mind so any hardware failure is automatically given a flashy name. For instance, that guy with a failed Blu Ray drive, the comments already a name for it #XBOXOneClickofDeath. Give me a break. It's a busted Blu Ray player, easy to fix.
Clearly MS has learned from RRoD. After playing with the system, it's crazy quite, feels quite solid and if you check out AnandTech review on the PS4/XBOX One, quite cool as well.
EDIT: My mistake, there is no mention of the XBOX One being cool. But I do remember reading a review that states that it runs much cooler than the 360.
Originally posted by Morridini
But the things is, you really shouldn't. Sony and Microsoft are clearly cutting too many corners and ignoring quality assurance.For comparison, was there anything like this going on when the Wii U released?
Like what? A 1% failure rate? Probably, every piece of electronics will have a failure rate, just happens. Didn't get the attention because less people were following the Wii U when it was released. More attention means the failures will get more press and you'll hear more about them than you otherwise would.
I looked for a failure rate for the Wii U online and I couldn't find jack diddly squat. Reports ranged from "no fails, really" to "over 50%!!!"
Only on forums.
Here is a nice article on failure rate measures and math, though:
http://www.codecmoments.com/console-failure-rates-should-we-really-panic/
Also, as I stated, it looks like Sony was informed of the failure rate of their consoles:
"...The number of affected systems represents less than .4% of shipped units to date, which is within our expectations for a new product introduction.”
There are rumors running around that the PS4 failure rate is much much higher than .4% and the actual percentage is closer to 20%.
I want some numbers, mang.
Another issue with the Bone:
http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox_support/xbox_one_support/f/4269/t/1626383.aspx?PageIndex=2
I wonder just how widespread this problems are, same as SONY
and yep, never heard about an issue with a WiiU. there must be though. My first Wii overheated... no electronics is safe from issues
But they did reboot Gears. It's called the One now. The general enemy:
And it would appear the MicroCogs are unable to prevent their emergences.
Originally posted by S_D_J
Another issue with the Bone:http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox_support/xbox_one_support/f/4269/t/1626383.aspx?PageIndex=2
I wonder just how widespread this problems are, same as SONY
and yep, never heard about an issue with a WiiU. there must be though. My first Wii overheated... no electronics is safe from issues
The thing is that it's just forums. 50% of those peeps on that forum could just be making shit up.
Same with the issues with PS4.
Originally posted by MorridiniNope. The only problem the Wii U had on launch was that the OS was a bit slow, but Nintendo fixed that with a patch.
But the things is, you really shouldn't. Sony and Microsoft are clearly cutting too many corners and ignoring quality assurance.For comparison, was there anything like this going on when the Wii U released?
So,
I like the Xbox One.
Controller is nice, light and solid. The vibration in the controller is really good and very precise. The RT/LT buttons vibrate as well and is used really well in Forza 5. You can feel the revs move up, giving some feedback when the change gears. When you go into a corner and want to feather the brakes a little bit, the controller gives a fair amount of feedback. In the end, I think it's really cool to have that type of feedback in the triggers.
The console itself. It's really, really quite. It's not too big (slightly smaller than the original PS3) and it feels nice and solid. The Kinect works really well and is really easy to setup.
The menu could be better but it's definitely not as cumbersome as the previous generation of consoles. It's super easy to setup. IE works fairly well as with Netflix. I really enjoy how you can exit a game, do something else (aside from playing another game), and then go right back into the game without it being slow, or losing progress. But save before you do it, just in case you exit to another game. But it's really cool to see the console in action while multitasking, last night I was playing Dead Rising 3, and exited, opened up IE, checked the score for the game, exited, and then went back into the game without any slowdown or anything. It would of been better if I could just watch the last period of the game but I don't have cable downstairs.
And then there is voice controls. I really like them. I walk to my gaming area, tell XBOX Turn On, it turns on in 10 seconds, logs me into XBOX Live and then I'm gaming. They work about 85 percent of the time and about 100% of the time at the second try. It's really, really cool.
In the end, I could see why MS had the online check when they first announced the game. With the voice controls, I think it would of been damn sweet if I could play Forza, have a few races, then tell the Xbox to go to Dead Rising 3 and without getting up, putting the disc in, it would automatically start. I think it would been pretty nifty.
As for the games.
Forza 5 - is very good. Gorgeous ultra realistic graphics, its really, really smooth. The cars are expertly detailed.
DR3 - pretty good. I think I like Dead Rising 2 a bit better (because of the setting) but it's awesome that there isn't any load times at all. Going into a building, store, another part of the city and safe houses are a seamless transitions. The zombies you see outside are the ones who were chasing you. The amount of zombies are ****ing crazy big, there is so many of them. And another nifty thing is if stop and get out of your car, the car stays there and doesn't vanish but I'm not sure if it will stay there for the rest of the game.
Overall, I'm glad I got the console and now waiting for a true next-gen shooter.
Originally posted by Smasandian
So,I like the Xbox One.
Controller is nice, light and solid. The vibration in the controller is really good and very precise. The RT/LT buttons vibrate as well and is used really well in Forza 5. You can feel the revs move up, giving some feedback when the change gears. When you go into a corner and want to feather the brakes a little bit, the controller gives a fair amount of feedback. In the end, I think it's really cool to have that type of feedback in the triggers.
The console itself. It's really, really quite. It's not too big (slightly smaller than the original PS3) and it feels nice and solid. The Kinect works really well and is really easy to setup.
The menu could be better but it's definitely not as cumbersome as the previous generation of consoles. It's super easy to setup. IE works fairly well as with Netflix. I really enjoy how you can exit a game, do something else (aside from playing another game), and then go right back into the game without it being slow, or losing progress. But save before you do it, just in case you exit to another game. But it's really cool to see the console in action while multitasking, last night I was playing Dead Rising 3, and exited, opened up IE, checked the score for the game, exited, and then went back into the game without any slowdown or anything. It would of been better if I could just watch the last period of the game but I don't have cable downstairs.
And then there is voice controls. I really like them. I walk to my gaming area, tell XBOX Turn On, it turns on in 10 seconds, logs me into XBOX Live and then I'm gaming. They work about 85 percent of the time and about 100% of the time at the second try. It's really, really cool.
In the end, I could see why MS had the online check when they first announced the game. With the voice controls, I think it would of been damn sweet if I could play Forza, have a few races, then tell the Xbox to go to Dead Rising 3 and without getting up, putting the disc in, it would automatically start. I think it would been pretty nifty.
As for the games.
Forza 5 - is very good. Gorgeous ultra realistic graphics, its really, really smooth. The cars are expertly detailed.
DR3 - pretty good. I think I like Dead Rising 2 a bit better (because of the setting) but it's awesome that there isn't any load times at all. Going into a building, store, another part of the city and safe houses are a seamless transitions. The zombies you see outside are the ones who were chasing you. The amount of zombies are ****ing crazy big, there is so many of them. And another nifty thing is if stop and get out of your car, the car stays there and doesn't vanish but I'm not sure if it will stay there for the rest of the game.
Overall, I'm glad I got the console and now waiting for a true next-gen shooter.
Your review gave me an erection.
Lordy, I should get an XBone.