DOTNG Infinity Man vs. Sentry, Nova Prime & Blue Marvel

Originally posted by the Darkone
Stoic your argument is not making any sense, plus your over analyzing the fight between Superman and IM who was holding back dramatically against Superman, and when IM got bored he imprisoned Superman in energy field. Then unleashed his true power against his main target, Miracle Man who had the ALE and they destroyed the source wall. IM was killing beings from sky father level in Takion to beings like Big Barda, Light Ray, Black Racer a Death God,Magnar, forever people etc, DOTNG IM is too much for this team, unless they get a cosmic cube they are dead meat.

I understand that, and I am giving it a very large possibility that you and everyone who looks at it are right about the IM, except for his Superman battle and his run in with the JSA.

Let me show you why I am looking at it from another perspective, and have decided to scrutinize the shyt out of Agent of the Source Infinity Man.

Let's look at Balder for example. He is not as powerful as Thor is but what would kill Thor, would not kill Balder while in Asgard due to the power granted him. This does not mean that Balder is Thor's superior.

Now there is also the issue of the Infinity Man being an enigma for the entire arc. There are so many things that do not jive or add up here, and I have never been one to take anything at face value that I did not believe deserve such scrutiny that I have placed upon IM in this respect.

I'm not trying to undercut him, but more that I am not convinced that he had the same power over non New Gods. Superman in this case strengthens my stance, because I just can't get past why if he were so powerful why he simply didn't one shot the supposedly far inferior Superman. Instead he is seen trading punches and actually being pushed back. Where another proven powerful entity like Tyrant for example would dunk Superman like the weakling that he is comparatively speaking that is.

No one and I mean not a one poster can say what the power up trul y did to the Infinity Man outside of allowing him the power to assassinate New Gods, and do so off panel.

To inflate the Infinity Man to levels above what I imagine him to be without taking his battle with Superman into account is an omission of evidence that I can not ignore, nor should anyone else be forced to ignore. Now to go from obviously being superior to Superman, to being above Odin in power, or even the notion of being within the same ballpark as an IG user would need vast amounts of evidence to prove his vast amount of power.

Frankly I never saw this. What I saw was a guy that was powerful in his base form fight Superman the way that he would normally without an amplification. Odin, Tyrant, Galactus, Zeus, Rune King Thor, the Inbetweener, and a vast number of guys in or close to these levels would never have been pushed back by Superman. Some would just one shot him, or wave him into another universe or stop his pulse with a gesture. I did not see this kind of power. Shyt Odin would with a gesture send him to another time period and bring him back once the deed with Scott was over.

Now to place him in the same ballpark with an IG user.... You get me? These are my reasons. I just can't swing on the same opinion that everyone else has because it's the politically correct thing to do, or to make others like me or to just be a general dick rider. I'm sorry bro.

But where would you place him with regards to Sentry/NP/BM? So not the IG user, who is waaaay above those three cats anyway.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But where would you place him with regards to Sentry/NP/BM? So not the IG user, who is waaaay above those three cats anyway.

I would place him above them in the same respect that I would place him above Superman, but not to the disparity that others see him as. Thanos without the IG IMO would give him a great fight, but would win in the end. Why? because of how easily Thanos took the Surfer's full cosmic blast to the face, while smiling. The Infinity man did not no sell Superman's best HV blast, which I would compare to the Surfer's best cosmic blast. The Infinity Man even broke stance when hit, he was moved by punches that would be laughed at by guys like Tyrant. If this did not happen like I said throughout nearly every post, I would have been on the same band wagon that others are.

I think that this team would give him a good fight, but they would lose in the same way that they would lose to Thanos. Nova alone withstood a blast from the Sphinx with two Ka Stones. These are things that need to be considered.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime

Thanos nerved his cosmic awareness but kept the IGs powers,

he turned Thor into Glass after that, something he couldn't do without the IG.

Thanos was only using the Power Gem.

The reason Thanos was able to manipulate Thor's molecules
is because
Thanos can re-arrange molecules on a very limited basis under his own power.

The Power Gem (which he could tap into)
boosted his own inherent abilities thorough the cosmic roof.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Negative friend.

Thanos was only using the Power Gem.

The reason Thanos was able to manipulate Thor's molecules
is because
Thanos can re-arrange molecules on a very limited basis under his own power.

The Power Gem (which he could tap into)
boosted his own inherent abilities thorough the cosmic roof.

I thought that was the case, but could not launch a rebuttal because I do not have the book with me, and I forgot, due to the event having happened 20 years ago.

Originally posted by Stoic
I understand that, and I am giving it a very large possibility that you and everyone who looks at it are right about the IM, except for his Superman battle and his run in with the JSA.

Let me show you why I am looking at it from another perspective, and have decided to scrutinize the shyt out of Agent of the Source Infinity Man.

Let's look at Balder for example. He is not as powerful as Thor is but what would kill Thor, would not kill Balder while in Asgard due to the power granted him. This does not mean that Balder is Thor's superior.

Now there is also the issue of the Infinity Man being an enigma for the entire arc. There are so many things that do not jive or add up here, and I have never been one to take anything at face value that I did not believe deserve such scrutiny that I have placed upon IM in this respect.

I'm not trying to undercut him, but more that I am not convinced that he had the same power over non New Gods. Superman in this case strengthens my stance, because I just can't get past why if he were so powerful why he simply didn't one shot the supposedly far inferior Superman. Instead he is seen trading punches and actually being pushed back. Where another proven powerful entity like Tyrant for example would dunk Superman like the weakling that he is comparatively speaking that is.

No one and I mean not a one poster can say what the power up trul y did to the Infinity Man outside of allowing him the power to assassinate New Gods, and do so off panel.

To inflate the Infinity Man to levels above what I imagine him to be without taking his battle with Superman into account is an omission of evidence that I can not ignore, nor should anyone else be forced to ignore. Now to go from obviously being superior to Superman, to being above Odin in power, or even the notion of being within the same ballpark as an IG user would need vast amounts of evidence to prove his vast amount of power.

Frankly I never saw this. What I saw was a guy that was powerful in his base form fight Superman the way that he would normally without an amplification. Odin, Tyrant, Galactus, Zeus, Rune King Thor, the Inbetweener, and a vast number of guys in or close to these levels would never have been pushed back by Superman. Some would just one shot him, or wave him into another universe or stop his pulse with a gesture. I did not see this kind of power. Shyt Odin would with a gesture send him to another time period and bring him back once the deed with Scott was over.

Now to place him in the same ballpark with an IG user.... You get me? These are my reasons. I just can't swing on the same opinion that everyone else has because it's the politically correct thing to do, or to make others like me or to just be a general dick rider. I'm sorry bro.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Comic inconsistencies. That happens all the time in comics. Trust me when I say he can kill anyone in this team with a gesture. He battled Scott with the ALE almost to a stalemate. This is a spite thread. We later see that Metron surmises the reason why Supes was spared was because he was chosen to bear witness.

He had the power to battle Scott to a stalemate. He could not kill him however, because of a foreign agent in play. This was the Ale that literally protected Scott from the Source Entities powers because they were outside of his influence up until that point. The Source killed Scott at the end of the book, not the Infinity Man, and you will notice also that Scott was not in his Ale form. If the Infinity Man could have killed Superman with a gesture, he would have certainly had the power to one shot, but this did not happen. Instead he opted to contain him within a prison of solidified light, and in so doing, acknowledges Superman's power. Hence why he said judiciously

Originally posted by Stoic
He had the power to battle Scott to a stalemate. He could not kill him however, because of a foreign agent in play. This was the Ale that literally protected Scott from the Source Entities powers because they were outside of his influence up until that point. The Source killed Scott at the end of the book, not the Infinity Man, and you will notice also that Scott was not in his Ale form. If the Infinity Man could have killed Superman with a gesture, he would have certainly had the power to one shot, but this did not happen. Instead he opted to contain him within a prison of solidified light, and in so doing, acknowledges Superman's power. Hence why he said judiciously

huh?
k so u think Supes is >>> HH level.
what is it ure trying to say?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
huh?
k so u think Supes is >>> HH level.
what is it ure trying to say?

Actually what I am saying is; either Superman is higher than high herald level which flies in the face of too many showings to count, or the Infinity Man was given the power to specifically assassinate New Gods.

Once again, If the Infinity Man was powerful enough to easily rip the characters in this thread to shreds, he would have easily have been able to one shot Superman.

But then again perhaps he was simply playing with Superman which also runs contrary to the tone of the story.If you own issue #7 of the arc, please re-read the last 7 pages of the book. You will notice that the Source Entity did not even touch Scott or Metron, to kill them. This is the same mysterious power that was given to the Infinity Man, but this power did not work while Scott was protected by the Ale, which was outside of the Source Entities influence in terms of power. This also coincides with the story.

Originally posted by Stoic
Actually what I am saying is; either Superman is higher than high herald level which flies in the face of too many showings to count, or the Infinity Man was given the power to specifically assassinate New Gods.

Once again, If the Infinity Man was powerful enough to easily rip the characters in this thread to shreds, he would have easily have been able to one shot Superman.

But then again perhaps he was simply playing with Superman which also runs contrary to the tone of the story.If you own issue #7 of the arc, please re-read the last 7 pages of the book. You will notice that the Source Entity did not even touch Scott or Metron, to kill them. This is the same mysterious power that was given to the Infinity Man, but this power did not work while Scott was protected by the Ale, which was outside of the Source Entities influence in terms of power. This also coincides with the story.

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Originally posted by Stoic
He had the power to battle Scott to a stalemate. He could not kill him however, because of a foreign agent in play. This was the Ale that literally protected Scott from the Source Entities powers because they were outside of his influence up until that point. The Source killed Scott at the end of the book, not the Infinity Man, and you will notice also that Scott was not in his Ale form. If the Infinity Man could have killed Superman with a gesture, he would have certainly had the power to one shot, but this did not happen. Instead he opted to contain him within a prison of solidified light, and in so doing, acknowledges Superman's power. Hence why he said judiciously

Why Superman surviving a encounter IM, we later see that Metron surmises the reason why Supes was spared was because he was chosen to bear witness, that it!? It nothing due Superman power, now you are speculating beyond belief, Superman was never a threat to Infinity Man period, why are you still try to say other wise. IM chose not too kill him, Superman is a not a New God, if any thing Superman was witness to the end of the New Gods and their version of Ragnarok.
You can speculate all you want it doesn't change the fact that , IM was powerful enough to kill all the New Gods , he killed a sky father in Takion and a Death God in Black Racer and mid to high heralds, what you believe Superman is superior than theses two and the rest of the new gods, I hope not !?

Superman fought IM that wasn't going all out on Superman an his actions proved it, o say Superman was powerful to challenge a God killer of New Gods is insane and idiotic .

Stoic your reasoning is flawed and fails horrible, you take little scuffle out context and try to say Superman can hang with a God killer that was powered by the Source and it purpose was to kill New Gods on sight and kill some of the most powerful New Gods at that, your over analyzing and speculating at best with no proof except for opinion which doesn't count.

Superman would have die messing with IM just like the new gods, and so would this team, this spite on major levels of logic. IF you think this team can beat or hang with IM powered by the source than you are one delusional nut case.

Originally posted by Stoic
Actually what I am saying is; either Superman is higher than high herald level which flies in the face of too many showings to count, or the Infinity Man was given the power to specifically assassinate New Gods.

Once again, If the Infinity Man was powerful enough to easily rip the characters in this thread to shreds, he would have easily have been able to one shot Superman.

But then again perhaps he was simply playing with Superman which also runs contrary to the tone of the story.If you own issue #7 of the arc, please re-read the last 7 pages of the book. You will notice that the Source Entity did not even touch Scott or Metron, to kill them. This is the same mysterious power that was given to the Infinity Man, but this power did not work while Scott was protected by the Ale, which was outside of the Source Entities influence in terms of power. This also coincides with the story.

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I'm going to bed, out peeps!

Yeah, at the end of the day, I can see why Stoic is saying what he is/

A bit like Metallo, defeating Superman but at the same time would get merked by Captain MArvel - he's using weakness exploitation. Or Drax vs Thanos.

Problem is, nowhere was it said that IM possessed some kind of silver bullet to kill New Gods, when in reality, without this silver bullet he was Superman level.

The only proof we have is because Superman wasn't creamed. And due to the fact its Superman we're talking about here, I don't think that's sufficient proof to hang my hat on.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Why Superman surviving a encounter IM, we later see that Metron surmises the reason why Supes was spared was because he was chosen to bear witness, that it!? It nothing due Superman power, now you are speculating beyond belief, Superman was never a threat to Infinity Man period, why are you still try to say other wise. IM chose not too kill him, Superman is a not a New God, if any thing Superman was witness to the end of the New Gods and their version of Ragnarok.
You can speculate all you want it doesn't change the fact that , IM was powerful enough to kill all the New Gods , he killed a sky father in Takion and a Death God in Black Racer and mid to high heralds, what you believe Superman is superior than theses two and the rest of the new gods, I hope not !?

Superman fought IM that wasn't going all out on Superman an his actions proved it, o say Superman was powerful to challenge a God killer of New Gods is insane and idiotic .

Stoic your reasoning is flawed and fails horrible, you take little scuffle out context and try to say Superman can hang with a God killer that was powered by the Source and it purpose was to kill New Gods on sight and kill some of the most powerful New Gods at that, your over analyzing and speculating at best with no proof except for opinion which doesn't count.

Superman would have die messing with IM just like the new gods, and so would this team, this spite on major levels of logic. IF you think this team can beat or hang with IM powered by the source than you are one delusional nut case.

First off I never said anything about the Infinity Man's intentions to kill Superman. Being KO'd with one shot is more my stance, which he could not do, and he was on panel seen to be pushed back by Superman during the battle, and yes the Infinity Man did hit Superman. So when he could not KO Superman with the power that he had, he imprisoned him within a solidified light cube.

Tyrant also had no wish of killing the heralds for his own purposes, but he was able to easily KO them,and do it with a smile on his face. This is not the power that the Infinity Man showed on panel, which is why you shouldn't throw words around like "speculating" to somehow strengthen your stance on the matter, because it will not overturn the on panel evidence of Superman's showing against the Infinity Man.

Actually anyone stating that the Infinity Man is this and that much more powerful than Low Trans is in fact speculating, because no one ever saw him kill a New God. Nor was the nature of his upgrade ever once stated on panel. If however the case were that he slapped Superman into a KO'd condition, and then stuck him in his light jar, then I would be like, Hell Yeahs he would push this teams shit in. This was not the case. You know it, and I know it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, at the end of the day, I can see why Stoic is saying what he is/

A bit like Metallo, defeating Superman but at the same time would get merked by Captain MArvel - he's using weakness exploitation. Or Drax vs Thanos.

Problem is, nowhere was it said that IM possessed some kind of silver bullet to kill New Gods, when in reality, without this silver bullet he was Superman level.

The only proof we have is because Superman wasn't creamed. And due to the fact its Superman we're talking about here, I don't think that's sufficient proof to hang my hat on.

Chech the end of the issue 7, and see how the Source Entity assassinates Metron, and Scott. Also take note that Scott was not in his Ale form when he was killed.

I think it's false to assume that IM couldn't, personally.

This is the same guy who claimed that soulfire formula reduced darkseid's durability because superman split him in half.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I think it's false to assume that IM couldn't, personally.

It's not an assumption, he was not able to KO Superman on panel, the rest outside of it was, and is an assumption. he was also unable to assassinate Scott while he was in the Ale form. This is not me assuming, but what I was given to work with.

Originally posted by abhilegend
This is the same guy who claimed that soulfire formula reduced darkseid's durability because superman split him in half.

It's obvious that Darkseid was composed of something entirely different than his natural composition. If you could not see that, then the joke is really on you. Outside of of your attempts to incite conflict, with taunts such at this. Stick with the subject matter or remain silent.

Originally posted by Stoic
It's not an assumption, he was not able to KO Superman on panel, the rest outside of it was, and is an assumption. he was also unable to assassinate Scott while he was in the Ale form. This is not me assuming, but what I was given to work with.

It's obvious that Darkseid was composed of something entirely different than his natural composition. If you could not see that, then the joke is really on you. Outside of of your attempts to incite conflict, with taunts such at this. Stick with the subject matter or remain silent.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Negative friend.

Thanos was only using the Power Gem.

The reason Thanos was able to manipulate Thor's molecules
is because
Thanos can re-arrange molecules on a very limited basis under his own power.

The Power Gem (which he could tap into)
boosted his own inherent abilities thorough the cosmic roof.

I though he said that he will cut of all sensory input. Even so, the PowerGem boosting all his natural abilities (strength, durability, matter manipulation etc.) should make him more then immune to Thors strikes, right?