Darth Nihilus vs. Vitiate

Started by markspits26712 pages

Originally posted by NemeBro
We see him fly to Katarr, then Katarr dies.

You're concocting some elaborate explanation and ritual that wasn't even hinted at.


And you're reaching for a favorable conclusion as a fanboy. We have no idea the timeframe in the comics. If you are going to suggest it is instant, the onus is on you to prove it. I didn't suggest it wasn't instant, I suggested there isn't any proof that it was instant.

He was blocked before he could get to Telos IV, and as stated in the game he didn't even notice the people boarding his ship to kill him, his attention still on Telos IV. [/B]

The point is, if he can just eat planets at will, he would have no reason to fly around in the Unknown Regions.

Originally posted by markspits267
And you're reaching for a favorable conclusion as a fanboy. We have no idea the timeframe in the comics. If you are going to suggest it is instant, the onus is on you to prove it. I didn't suggest it wasn't instant, I suggested there isn't any proof that it was instant.

"When my Lord spoke, my world died."

Every being on Katarr was psychically linked to Nihilus at the moment of Katarr's demise, and Visas was granted a Force Bond out of the deal.

Other than maybe Kreia, there is no one who knows Nihilus and his power better than she does.

The point is, if he can just eat planets at will, he would have no reason to fly around in the Unknown Regions.
Why not?

Originally posted by NemeBro
"When my Lord spoke, my world died."

Every being on Katarr was psychically linked to Nihilus at the moment of Katarr's demise, and Visas was granted a Force Bond out of the deal.


Sorry but it's going to take more than what Visas thinks for it to constitute as "evidence". That's the definition of reaching right there.

Other than maybe Kreia, there is no one who knows Nihilus and his power better than she does.

So?

Why not?

If you can consume planets at will, there's no reason to hide.

Originally posted by markspits267
Sorry but it's going to take more than what Visas thinks for it to constitute as "evidence". That's the definition of reaching right there.

Frankly I don't care what you think, you're a fool who dismisses any evidence and counters with a notable lack of evidence. Visas Marr made an explicit statement on Nihilus's power and the useage of it (Which is consistent with his in-game abilities, his voice alone and even his presence when not exerting it drains the wills and minds of others), you respond with... Nothing.

So?

So she is more qualified than all but maybe one person to comment on Nihilus and his power.

If you can consume planets at will, there's no reason to hide.

The moment he was informed (Falsely) that there was a Conclave of Jedi on Telos IV, he made a beeline straight for it.

But obviously he had to extensively prepare for this right? Obviously he's a coward who hides from the Jedi, despite the fact that he has shown himself jumping at the chance to go eat some, right?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Frankly I don't care what you think, you're a fool who dismisses any evidence and counters with a notable lack of evidence. Visas Marr made an explicit statement on Nihilus's power and the useage of it (Which is consistent with his in-game abilities, his voice alone and even his presence when not exerting it drains the wills and minds of others), you respond with... Nothing.

This coming from the guy who claims "she said it so it must be true!!" That's your evidence? I don't need a rebuttal to trump your evidence. I just need to say "prove it", and you'll go on your little crybaby speech. She's not an out of universe authority, nor any authority on Nihilus power, so her statement is pure conjecture. Either prove up or shut up. Just stop crying, it's embarrassing.

So she is more qualified than all but maybe one person to comment on Nihilus and his power.

Remind me where she says it's instant.

The moment he was informed (Falsely) that there was a Conclave of Jedi on Telos IV, he made a beeline straight for it.

But obviously he had to extensively prepare for this right? Obviously he's a coward who hides from the Jedi, despite the fact that he has shown himself jumping at the chance to go eat some, right? [/B]

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Ah the fallacies just jump out at you. I didn't suggest any of that, just that you lack proof for your assertion. Good try though🙂

The Emperor require other Sith Lords to perform a ritual to devour the world.

Originally posted by rolldrum169 This coming from the guy who claims "she said it so it must be true!!" That's your evidence? I don't need a rebuttal to trump your evidence. I just need to say "prove it", and you'll go on your little crybaby speech. She's not an out of universe authority, nor any authority on Nihilus power, so her statement is pure conjecture. Either prove up or shut up. Just stop crying, it's embarrassing.

Whenever Nihilus is devouring a world is mentioned, no prep-work is mentioned, no talk of some elaborate incantation or ritual, just that he eats the world. When his eating of Katarr is mentioned in the guide mentioned earlier, it is just noted that he binged on the planet, he ate it. And the same guide mentions that the power to feast on entire worlds (Which he is noted to do ravenously in his hunger) is just a radical heightening of the power he has possessed ever since Malachor V.

That is what really kills your attempts at discrediting the power, what Nihilus does is just the most powerful form of a technique we have seen in action many times.

Remind me where she says it's instant.

"Instant" is relative.

"When my lord spoke, my world died."

It seems it doesn't take very long though...

Ah the fallacies just jump out at you. I didn't suggest any of that, just that you lack proof for your assertion. Good try though🙂

I'm pretty sure you meant they jump out of me, not at me.

Also, I like how you ignored my flawless rebuking of your attempt at downplaying and chose simply to flame.

You said Nihilus needed to hide in an attempt to discredit his power, I showed that Nihilus doesn't hide, he merely goes where he suspects the most Force Sensitives will be.

Also, I never claimed you suggested that, only demonstrating why your tactics are laughable.

As long as Nihilus can resist the Emperor's mind control, he will have the upperhand.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Whenever Nihilus is devouring a world is mentioned, no prep-work is mentioned, no talk of some elaborate incantation or ritual, just that he eats the world. When his eating of Katarr is mentioned in the guide mentioned earlier, it is just noted that he binged on the planet, he ate it. And the same guide mentions that the power to feast on entire worlds (Which he is noted to do ravenously in his hunger) is just a radical heightening of the power he has possessed ever since Malachor V.

Not everything has to be explicitly stated. In fact, MOST things in the SW universe aren't explicitly stated. Nothing is mentioned about rituals, doesn't mean he didn't use them. It doesn't mean it was instant either. You're pretty much proving my point that you lack the proof for your assertions.

That is what really kills your attempts at discrediting the power, what Nihilus does is just the most powerful form of a technique we have seen in action many times.

Nothing kills my attempts since I'm the only one offering up a logical argument. Nobody is discreding his power, you're just exaggerating it. And again, what Vitiate did was more impressive in my opinion.

"Instant" is relative.

"When my lord spoke, my world died."

It seems it doesn't take very long though...


It doesn't seem instant either. Could take hours, minutes, etc. Point is, we don't know.

Also, I like how you ignored my flawless rebuking of your attempt at downplaying and chose simply to flame.

The only thing you've done flawlessly is "flawlessly" prove my point.

You said Nihilus needed to hide in an attempt to discredit his power, I showed that Nihilus doesn't hide, he merely goes where he suspects the most Force Sensitives will be.

I didn't say he needed to hide, I just said he can go wherever he wants if his power is instant. He doesn't. Simple.

Also, I never claimed you suggested that, only demonstrating why your tactics are laughable. [/B]

My tactics are rendering your argument to nothing. Come back when you're better prepared.

BTW, we can visually see the technique in action if you kill one of the Jedi Masters. Kreia also explains the technique again.

Nemobro, please do not reply to banned posters, as this encourages socking.

Fine, I was done with him anyway.

Anyone with half a working brain could see that I tore him a new anus.

YouTube video

2.30 if anyones interested.

Originally posted by Nephthys
YouTube video

2.30 if anyones interested.

Dark Side is non-canon. 😛

As an example of the technique it still stands. The Exile uses the technique regardless, its just visible here. Considering how contentious the technique is, we need all the info we can get imo.

The Emperor could not mind control everyone otherwise he would not need to create the ravager.

Nah, I was just joking around. Hence the "😛". But I agree, the more info on the technique the better.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
The Emperor could not mind control anyone otherwise he would not need to create the ravager.

Except, we see him mind control several characters. So, no, he can.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
The Emperor could not mind control anyone otherwise he would not need to create the ravager.
I am pretty sure he can actually.

Originally posted by ares834
Except, we see him mind control several characters. So, no, he can.

Oh I mistyped, I mean he could not control everyone for sure.