Darth Nihilus vs. Vitiate

Well there no point 8uilding it and then never using it. That doesn't mean that he 'needed' it. Recall also that he did seal it away in the Dark Temple. Again pointing to him not requiring it.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
That the Emperor's technique is neither instant nor all powerful.

Lol. I never claimed that it was all-powerful. I provided a quote saying that none can stand in his presence and not succum8. As I recall, Revan did succum8. And also as I recall he developed a technique that ena8led him to resist Vitaites power. And was aided 8y the Exile.

Does the OP say that the Exile's ghost is helping Nihilus in this fight?

Originally posted by Nephthys

Lol. I never claimed that it was all-powerful. I provided a quote saying that none can stand in his presence and not succum8. As I recall, Revan did succum8. And also as I recall he developed a technique that ena8led him to resist Vitaites power. And was aided 8y the Exile.

Does the OP say that the Exile's ghost is helping Nihilus in this fight?

Show me one instance that proves the Emperor's mind control is instantaneous.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Instant is the wrong word. It's still faster than

Faster than nothing? Well thats a 8it harsh, 8ut whatever. I will say though that you have a8solutely no proof that Nihilus can attack first.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Uhh yeah a lot of people. Tol Braga didn't get turned until after the Emperor subdued him with Force Lightning. Neither did the knight.

Whats your point? We know from Revan that the Emperor consciously activates him mental domination. He simply did not do so 8efore he su8jugg8ed them.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Revan and Malak got turned but we again don't know how long it took. And controlling two Dark Jedi already brushing on knowledge of the Dark Side isn't impressive.

I don't know why you think questioning how long it takes is at all relevent. We see him use it in Revan, it takes no time at all for Revan to feel his will working on him.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The Sith Lords on Nathema?
We don't know how long it took.

We see him using it on Revan you dullard. Questioning time is inane.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Revan Reborn?
Outright resisted for 300 years

He had help, and experience against the Emperor's mental domin8ion already. Something Nihilus does not possess.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Exile, Lord Scourge?
Also resisted.

Funny, I seem to recall the Exile dying and Scourge becoming Vitiates 8itch for 300 years. I also do not recall Vitiate actually attempt it on them.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Show me one instance that proves the Emperor's mind control is instantaneous.

Show me one instance that proves Nihilus's TK or Giga-Drain is instantaneous.

Then actually provide some reflex and speed feats for him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well there no point 8uilding it and then never using it. That doesn't mean that he 'needed' it. Recall also that he did seal it away in the Dark Temple. Again pointing to him not requiring it.

If he didn't need it why would he build and use it? Using device rather than your own power when your power can make it is a way to show weakness.

Beside this, he never did such thing, build useless device and use it for so long.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
If he didn't need it why would he build and use it? Using device rather than your own power when your power can make it is a way to show weakness.

Beside this, he never did such thing, build useless device and use it for so long.

Does he need a reason? As I said, 1000 years is a long time. Need to keep 8usy.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Show me one instance that proves Nihilus's TK or Giga-Drain is instantaneous.

Then actually provide some reflex and speed feats for him.

Sure when you show me some speed feats for the Emperor.
Meetra Surik threw her lightsaber blade faster than he could bring his blade down. Revan TK'ed him before he could mind **** him...what speed feats does Vitiate have?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Show me one instance that proves Nihilus's TK or Giga-Drain is instantaneous.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Well we see him perform the "drain" with no build-up at all against the Exile.

That doesn't answer the question. The amount of reaching is hysterical.

That the Emperor's technique is neither instant nor all powerful.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Does he need a reason? As I said, 1000 years is a long time. Need to keep 8usy.

Yes, base on his character, he surely got a reason to do this and the reason mostly is his power cannot control everyone.

The story in TOR also support this, we didn't see him brainwash the republic's heads and won the war.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Yes, base on his character, he surely got a reason to do this and the reason mostly is his power cannot control everyone.

The story in TOR also support this, we didn't see him brainwash the republic's heads and won the war.

Also, TOR would be very boring story-wise if Vitiate would have been depicted to mind dominate others left and right. Drama is important. Therefore, do not mistake plot-induced limitations with actual capabilities of Vitiate.

And development of Ravager or similar tools makes sense. Why would Vitiate want to exert himself for long periods to mentally influence others when a tool could do it for him?

Mental powers, if employed at extreme scale, can require great deal of exertion.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda And yet he could not extract a single bit of information from Revan for 300 years. Granted it was with the Exile's help, but 300 years ?

Vitiate eventually learned what he wanted to and commenced invasion.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Every individual was susceptible to Vitiate's mental powers. Many examples affirm this. However, Vitiate would not mind dominate another being unless he felt necessary to do so.

Also, TOR would be very boring story-wise if Vitiate would have been depicted to mind dominate others left and right. Drama is important. Therefore, do not mistake plot-induced limitations with actual capabilities of Vitiate.

It's not necessary to him? Didn't you see he wanted to conquer the galaxy and then devour it with no resistance?

So he does not have such power, he didn't do it because he could not, otherwise it will be [B]plot hole.

And development of Ravager or similar tools makes sense. Why would Vitiate want to exert himself for long periods to mentally influence others when a tool could do it for him?

Mental powers, if employed at extreme scale, can require great deal of exertion.

Why would he want to spend a lot of time and exertion to develop a device that he could make the same effect with his mind control?

If the mind control needs to take longer time, then Nihilus stomps him.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Every individual was susceptible to Vitiate's mental powers. Many examples affirm this. However, Vitiate would not mind dominate another being unless he felt necessary to do so.

Also, TOR would be very boring story-wise if Vitiate would have been depicted to mind dominate others left and right. Drama is important. Therefore, do not mistake plot-induced limitations with actual capabilities of Vitiate.

And development of Ravager or similar tools makes sense. Why would Vitiate want to exert himself for long periods to mentally influence others when a tool could do it for him?

Mental powers, if employed at extreme scale, can require great deal of exertion.

You are mistaken.

Vitiate eventually learned what he wanted to and commenced invasion.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Well we see him perform the "drain" with no build-up at all against the Exile.

He did speak with her and her companions for an unknown amount of time before trying, though.

It was also directed at one person, not an entire world.

Wouldn't directing it at one person make it easier?

Welp.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
It's called CIS (Character Induced Stupidity) It's the same reason Nihlus didn't just eat Canderous and Visas the moment they stepped onto the bridge to oppose him.

Well he presumably didn't eat Visas because she had a Force Bond with him and her demise is detrimental to him.

Hey, let's pull shit out of or ass!