Ozy/Comedian vs Midnighter/Batman

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And ODG, the point of my scan still stands. I butchered nothing.

It shows Batman dodging a bullet AFTER it was fired. He couldn't move Freeze out of the way, but he still dodged it. Then threw Batarangs at the sniper in the same movement.

It's one thing to argue that Batman wasn't really too late to do anything about it, it's another thing to argue that the narration isn't literally spelling that out for us in plain black and white.

Did he got shot, y/n?

Was his head in the path of the bullet before he moved, y/n?

Was his head in the path of the bullet after he moved, y/n?

Did he only know about it AFTER he heard the 'air punch', y/n?

Originally posted by h1a8
In comics we must use the suspension of disbelief.

I use it everytime I read one of your posts.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Based on what exactly? You are looking at a snap shot, a single moment in time. Nothing about that adds any credence to your assertion that he stopped the bullet dead and robbed it off all momentum without any recoil in his arms. In actuality the fact that he got laid out on his ass and didn't ride the momentum of his jump and crash into Silk Specter suggest otherwise.

He stopped it dead since the scan appears that way and there is no evidence to support otherwise. If something appears one way and yet there is no evidence to support the contrary then it is logical to accept what appears. This is fiction and thus this even never happened. There is no such notion as he could have done X or Y when we wasn't looking. We must take what's shown and confer as is.

Also, the fact that the bullet stopped his forward jump doesn't destroy the fact that he stopped it almost instantly with his hands.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Did he got shot, y/n?

Was his head in the path of the bullet before he moved, y/n?

Was his head in the path of the bullet after he moved, y/n?

Did he only know about it AFTER he heard the 'air punch', y/n?

If the sniper was aiming at him, is he such a perfect marksman that he can't ever possibly miss?

If the sniper was aiming at him, is it impossible for Batman to simply move out of the way of his aim rather than the bullet?

Does Batman hearing a sound -- even though the object that made the sound was traveling far faster than sound would even travel -- mean a lick of difference when trying to overanalyze this non-feat into oblivion?

Street levelers performing true bullet-timing is already skeptical enough on its own even when it is positively, indisputably occurring on-panel. So when the context of the feat permits for several far more rational explanations that don't require bullet-timing speed, you should take that route. And frankly, this is all rather needless when we can simply read the narration. It's literally spoonfed to you that Batman was quite literally too late to do anything about the bullet. There is no sensible reason to ignore that.

You're also spoon fed that he moved out of the way after he heard it. Chalk it up to PIS, chalk it up to an outlier 1 time feat that he never did it again....but it still happened.

He didn't move out of the way, he wasn't even the target, Freeze was...

That scan looks like he turned before she even fired the gun.

Originally posted by h1a8
He stopped it dead since the scan appears that way and there is no evidence to support otherwise. If something appears one way and yet there is no evidence to support the contrary then it is logical to accept what appears. This is fiction and thus this even never happened. There is no such notion as he could have done X or Y when we wasn't looking. We must take what's shown and confer as is.

Also, the fact that the bullet stopped his forward jump doesn't destroy the fact that he stopped it almost instantly with his hands.

The panel shows one isolated instance in time, you are using that snap shot to draw conclusions of what happened afterwards... with absolutely no evidence to back your claim. What we are shown is the bullet hitting his hands... and then him laid on on the floor... that's it. What about that supports your theory? Nothing.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You're also spoon fed that he moved out of the way after he heard it. Chalk it up to PIS, chalk it up to an outlier 1 time feat that he never did it again....but it still happened.

Originally posted by tkitna
I use it everytime I read one of your posts.

Not everytime. Sometimes you did agree with me soundly.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The panel shows one isolated instance in time, you are using that snap shot to draw conclusions of what happened afterwards... with absolutely no evidence to back your claim. What we are shown is the bullet hitting his hands... and then him laid on on the floor... that's it. What about that supports your theory? Nothing.

With his hands, which had previously been in front of him, now at his side.

Originally posted by KingD19
That scan looks like he turned before she even fired the gun.

The bullet has already hit Freeze by the time Batman threw the Batarangs...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The bullet has already hit Freeze by the time Batman threw the Batarangs...

I meant the Ozy example. The girl called him out, he turned around and faced her, then she shot.

Lol fine, Ok, what is everyone's take on it then?

My take is that he only reacted after he heard the bullet being fired, and moved to react to it. The fact that Freeze was the target, is a bit moot, as the path the bullet took would have gone through his head as well.

Laugh at it, mock it all you like, but I am interested in hearing what others make of it.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The panel shows one isolated instance in time, you are using that snap shot to draw conclusions of what happened afterwards... with absolutely no evidence to back your claim. What we are shown is the bullet hitting his hands... and then him laid on on the floor... that's it. What about that supports your theory? Nothing.

Originally posted by h1a8
No the bullet is completely stopped in his hands as it appears. We must go by what appears if nothing else is offered.

Yes, but you don't know for certain Ozy didn't move his hands out to the side a further distance to slow the bullet down do you?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol fine, Ok, what is everyone's take on it then?

My take is that he only reacted after he heard the bullet being fired, and moved to react to it. The fact that Freeze was the target, is a bit moot, as the path the bullet took would have gone through his head as well.

Laugh at it, mock it all you like, but I am interested in hearing what others make of it.

Well with Sniper rifles, the bullet is usually so fast, you get hit before you hear the shot. Especially at farther distances. But I do believe he was in the way of the bullet at first, and moved from where he was. Maybe the writer didn't take into account that real life snippet, but then again, no human should have hands strong enough to stop a 38.-44. Revolver bullet.

Originally posted by h1a8
No the bullet is completely stopped in his hands as it appears. The panel displays not a single moment in time but a small instant (we see the bullet motion). We must go by what appears if nothing else is offered.

That's only how it appears to you... because apparently you have no understanding on how the comic medium works and what panels are.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol fine, Ok, what is everyone's take on it then?

My take is that he only reacted after he heard the bullet being fired, and moved to react to it. The fact that Freeze was the target, is a bit moot, as the path the bullet took would have gone through his head as well.

Laugh at it, mock it all you like, but I am interested in hearing what others make of it.

At worst, it's the sniper hitting his intended target (Mr. Freeze) and Batman failing to do sh1t about it because it was quite literally too fast for him to do anything about it as the narration literally spells out for you.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The bullet has already hit Freeze by the time Batman threw the Batarangs...