Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What an illogical stance to take. There isn't a cross universal constant that equalizes all these objects. Just because something is indestructible in one universe doesn't mean it would be indestructible in another. Genndy didn't call up Marvel and say "Am about to say something is indestructible... let me know what your characters can do, so my creation will fall in the parameters of what your characters can do." The are completely separate entities. Something is indestructible in Samurai Jack U (not true... but roll with it)? That's fine... but Marvel U has destructive forces that Samurai Jack U couldn't even dream of. Adamantium has gone up against some of the most powerful forces in the universe and emerged unscathed. Those "indestructible robots" weren't even indestructible in the carebear Samurai Jack Universe, comparing it to Adamantium is laughable.
Declaring that "indestructible" just means lesser or something else in one universe over another would be illogical, unless it's specifically stated.
We do have a "cross universal constant", it's called the Dictionary and its defined meanings for words, unless otherwise specifically stated.
Using your logic, I could arbitrarily claim that Marvel's adamantium aspect of "virtually indestructible" only means it's as tough as 2.735 inches of plasterboard to Jack/in the Jack universe. Obviously that's retarded and I wouldn't, as "virtually indestructible" means just that.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Literally not a single speed feat in here rivals Jack's.Jack wouldn't need to use his body as a shield to block bullets, he'd just deflect every single one. He has casually deflected automatic fire from higher calibur bullets than that.
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That feat of Wolverine's you just mentioned is EXPONENTIALLY more impressive than all of Jack's speed feats.
Wolverine outpaced machine gun fire, moving AFTER it was fired. Blocking gun fire is nothing compared to that.
Also Orphan Maker's guns shits over every gun seen in Samurai Jack.
Originally posted by Robtard
Declaring that "indestructible" just means lesser or something else in one universe over another would be illogical, unless it's specifically stated.We do have a "cross universal constant", it's called the Dictionary and its defined meanings for words.
Using your logic, I could arbitrarily claim that Marvel's adamantium aspect of "virtually indestructible" only means it's as tough as 2.735 inches of plasterboard to Jack/in the Jack universe. Obviously that's retarded and I wouldn't, as "virtually indestructible" means just that.
Christ.
Have you ever watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer? There was a Demon named the Judge, who was impervious to man made weapons... which was fine in the medieval era, but didn't mean shit when Buffy shot him with a rocket launcher. That's essentially we are talking about here. The difference in power of the two universes is was too vast. Relative to Marvel, Samurai Jack is universe that has peaked at the spear... while Marvel is throwing around nukes. If a spear is the height of the destructive force in the universe, and it can't destroy and object... then that object is obsessively indestructible... but that won't mean shit if you send it to a universe where nukes exist. Indestructible in one universe does = indestructible in another.
An object can be indestructible in Samurai Jack's Universe, and not be indestructible in Marvel's, because both Universes aren't equal. Genndy doesn't need to account for the powers in Marvel U when he claims that something is indestructible in Samurai Jack's Universe... because those forces don't exist, and don't need to be accounted for.
Originally posted by srankmissingninIt is cute that you think that, but thinking it really only demonstrates your own ignorance.
...That feat of Wolverine's you just mentioned is EXPONENTIALLY more impressive than all of Jack's speed feats.
Wolverine outpaced machine gun fire, moving AFTER it was fired. Blocking gun fire is nothing compared to that.
Also Orphan Maker's guns shits over every gun seen in Samurai Jack.
Wolverine was but a few meters or so away from the girl he shielded. Orphan Maker was much further away than that, at least four or five times. Wolverine would only have needed to move a fourth or fifth as fast as the bullet to manage that feat.
Also, Jack's feat of carving up a horde of bounty hunters, sheathing his sword, and then catching a glass of water before it falls a distance of a meter is a far better feat than any of Logan's. I'll try to find the video of this happening, but it is far better than any of the feats of Logan's posted.
Prove that last claim please?
Originally posted by NemeBro
It is cute that you think that, but thinking it really only demonstrates your own ignorance.Wolverine was but a few meters or so away from the girl he shielded. Orphan Maker was much further away than that, at least four or five times. Wolverine would only have needed to move a fourth or fifth as fast as the bullet to manage that feat.
Also, Jack's feat of carving up a horde of bounty hunters, sheathing his sword, and then catching a glass of water before it falls a distance of a meter is a far better feat than any of Logan's. I'll try to find the video of this happening, but it is far better than any of the feats of Logan's posted.
Prove that last claim please?
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Someone's ignorance is certainly being showcased, but it's not mine champ. Only an idoit would think bullet blocking is on par with what Wolverine did in that scan.
Four to five times farther away? Wolverine was roughly halfway between Orphan Maker and Trance, so if he was half as fast as those bullets, and he moved at the exact moment the gun was fired (which he didn't, the bullets had a head start), he would have reached the target at the same time as the gun fire (which he didn't, he got there first). Machine gun bullets move at 1000 mps or faster... even at half that speed, that is HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE ANYTHING JACK HAS EVER DONE. Unequivocally. It's a 1000mph + burst for Christ's sake.
Are you talking about Jack vs Mad Jack? Because if you are that's not what happens. The glass is visibly on the table when the fight starts, not in Jack's hands. Not to mention even if that feat actually did transpire as you remembered it... it wouldn't even require 1/100th of the speed needed when WOLVERINE OUTRAN MACHINE GUN FIRE.
It's 2 in the morning... google Orphan Maker or I'll tell you in the morning.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Christ.Have you ever watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer? There was a Demon named the Judge, who was impervious to man made weapons... which was fine in the medieval era, but didn't mean shit when Buffy shot him with a rocket launcher. That's essentially we are talking about here. The difference in power of the two universes is was too vast. Relative to Marvel, Samurai Jack is universe that has peaked at the spear... while Marvel is throwing around nukes. If a spear is the height of the destructive force in the universe, and it can't destroy and object... then that object is obsessively indestructible... but that won't mean shit if you send it to a universe where nukes exist. Indestructible in one universe does = indestructible in another.
An object can be indestructible in Samurai Jack's Universe, and not be indestructible in Marvel's, because both Universes aren't equal. Genndy doesn't need to account for the powers in Marvel U when he claims that something is indestructible in Samurai Jack's Universe... because those forces don't exist, and don't need to be accounted for.
Jeebus, indeed.
Pretty sure giant robots, space travel, cyborgs, laser weapons and such are above "peaked at medieval", which are all seen in Samurai Jack. We're also talking fiction here, as Samurai Jack's sword is imbued with magic. Have you ever watched Samurai Jack, cos that was an odd thing to claim.
Yet you take it upon yourself to dictate where "indestructible" means just that and where it means something else. As I said, using your logic I could arbitrarily claim that Marvel's adamantium is like paper in Jack's universe. Which would be stupid to do.
Originally posted by Robtard
Jeebus, indeed.Pretty sure giant robots, space travel, cyborgs, laser weapons and such are above "peaked at medieval", which are all seen in Samurai Jack. We're also talking fiction here, as Samurai Jack's sword is imbued with magic. Have you ever watched Samurai Jack, cos that was an odd thing to claim.
Yet you take it upon yourself to dictate where "indestructible" means just that and where it means something else. As I said, using your logic I could arbitrarily claim that Marvel's adamantium is like paper in Jack's universe. Which would be stupid to do.
Originally posted by mastagambit
I still stand by my claim that the chi charged slash would slice Wolvie in half, or slice his head off.
Whichever works for Jack.
Originally posted by Blight
But It's not indestructible. It was sliced through. Therefore its durability needs to be proven through feats. Adamantium has a list of feats that contains its durability feats. What durability have the robots shown other than jacks sword couldn't cut it without a power up?
It was sliced through by a magical sword that was further amplified by a deity and wielded by a superhuman samurai.
Originally posted by Robtard
It was sliced through by a magical sword that was further amplified by a deity and wielded by a superhuman samurai.
Originally posted by Robtard
Jeebus, indeed.Pretty sure giant robots, space travel, cyborgs, laser weapons and such are above "peaked at medieval", which are all seen in Samurai Jack. We're also talking fiction here, as Samurai Jack's sword is imbued with magic. Have you ever watched Samurai Jack, cos that was an odd thing to claim.
Yet you take it upon yourself to dictate where "indestructible" means just that and where it means something else. As I said, using your logic I could arbitrarily claim that Marvel's adamantium is like paper in Jack's universe. Which would be stupid to do.
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I said relative to Marvel they've peaked at medieval weaponry, obviously Jack's U is more advanced than that, just as Marvel is significantly above the nuke comparison I used for them.
The alleged indestructibility of those robots is nothing but empty rhetoric. They didn't get cut by Jack... then later they did get cut by Jack... that's the extend of their durability feats. Adamantium has four decades of legitimate feats under it's belt. Adamantium has a lofty resume. It's gone up against some of the most destructive forces in the Marvel U... and it's still indestructible. Jack's Robot's haven't gone up against even 1/100000000000000000000000 the damage Wolverine's skeleton has shrugged off, and they got destroyed anyway.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
facepalmI said [b]relative
to Marvel they've peaked at medieval weaponry, obviously Jack's U is more advanced than that, just as Marvel is significantly above the nuke comparison I used for them.The alleged indestructibility of those robots is nothing but empty rhetoric. They didn't get cut by Jack... then later they did get cut by Jack... that's the extend of their durability feats. Adamantium has four decades of legitimate feats under it's belt. Adamantium has a lofty resume. It's gone up against some of the most destructive forces in the Marvel U... and it's still indestructible. Jack's Robot's haven't gone up against even 1/100000000000000000000000 the damage Wolverine's skeleton has shrugged off, and they got destroyed anyway. [/B]
Ah, you did say "relative", my error, but you're still wrong so I don't know why you're faceplaming, you need to be right to be able to facepalm. Samurai Jack's universe (the future) is highly advanced. Space travel, time travel, cyborgs, laser weapons etc.
Now you're downplaying the robots "indestructible" aspect. They were cut by:
Originally posted by Robtard
It was sliced through by a magical sword that was further amplified by a deity and wielded by a superhuman samurai.
Robtard, by your logic Wolverine would still win. There are deities in marvel that have been punched out by hulk. Wolverine has done well against hulk. Ergo facto Wolverine > A deity. Wolverines bones have stood up against magic blades. Ergo facto Wolverine > magically imbued blades. This is your logic I'm using. If its stated as a deity, by your own admitance, then they translate across the board.
Originally posted by Blight
And what are these magical enhancements doing quantifiably to justify the durability of the robot vs adamantium in the marvel u? Wolverines bones have been unscathed by nuclear explosions.
Magic generally > nuclear weapons. Simple because it's outside the realm of reality and can be potentially limitless.
Originally posted by Blight
Robtard, by your logic Wolverine would still win. There are deities in marvel that have been punched out by hulk. Wolverine has done well against hulk. Ergo facto Wolverine > A deity. Wolverines bones have stood up against magic blades. Ergo facto Wolverine > magically imbued blades. This is your logic I'm using. If its stated as a deity, by your own admitance, then they translate across the board.
Not all dieties are equal in even their own universe. What we do know though is that Jack's magical blade further amped by magic can cut through "indestructible" material.
I'm not even arguing who wins at this point. I'm arguing the silly "indestructible means something else when I need it to" angle.
Just because two things are called the same thing from different universes does not make them equal. They need feats to do that.
Obviously though the Robots in Jack's Universe were meant to be tough but I don't think Jack cutting the robots mean he will cut Wolverine cause Wolverine has taken a lot.
Still I think Jack wins this 😛
Originally posted by Robtard
Not all dieties are equal in even their own universe. What we do know though is that Jack's magical blade further amped by magic can cut through "indestructible" material.I'm not even arguing who wins at this point. I'm arguing the silly "indestructible means something else when I need it to" angle.
Originally posted by Newjak
Just because two things are called the same thing from different universes does not make them equal. They need feats to do that.Obviously though the Robots in Jack's Universe were meant to be tough but I don't think Jack cutting the robots mean he will cut Wolverine cause Wolverine has taken a lot.
Still I think Jack wins this 😛
http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/14347/how-to-kill-wolverine
Jack's chi charged sword would slice him like a stuff turkey. 😂