Originally posted by cdtm
He said "they're not even that durable."That's just ignorant, given the things Jacks sword has gone through. They're insanely durable.
Plus, they're powered by part of Aku's essense.
They were destroyed like empty soda cans by Jack's robot arm, and gun fire. They weren't that durable.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
They were destroyed like empty soda cans by Jack's robot arm, and gun fire. [b]They weren't that durable. [/B]
Just like the Third Raikage was injured by his own weapon, after tanking Naruto's former ultimate technique?
Jacks casually cut through everything from solid stone to tank like a hot knife through butter. You're basically resorting to the old anti fanboy DBZ argument of "the DBZ gods aren't that powerful" to downplay JAcks feats. Just like you did with your "the laws of gravity don't work correctly in this universe" argument, as if comic books follow the laws of physics exactly..
Why would Raikage's chi armor... block his own chi? And how is that relevant to this thread?
The gods of DBZ aren't that powerful. Kami? The Grand Kai. Flees compared to a Skyfather... and also irrelevant to this thread.
If you are going to use a water drop falling to earth a measuring stick for a speed feat, then the law of physic you are referencing should at least be consistent with in the confines of that specific example. Other objects falling to the ground before the water drop completely destroys the validity of the feat.
These robots were destroyed by bullets, and a robot arm... probably the equal of Adamantium! imarite? dur
These robots were destroyed by bullets, and a robot arm... probably the equal of Adamantium! imarite? dur [/B]
The Raikage's own chi can penetrate his shield. The robots own arm can rip apart their armor. Their own gun can rip apart their armor.
That doesn't make them weak. That makes their weapons uber, and their armor equal to their armor.
Originally posted by cdtm
It's relevant.These robots were destroyed by bullets, and a robot arm... probably the equal of Adamantium! imarite? dur
Here's why it's relevant.
The Raikage's own chi can penetrate his shield. The robots own arm can rip apart their armor. Their own gun can rip apart their armor.
That doesn't make them weak. That makes their weapons uber, and their armor equal to their armor.
Of course the Raikage's chi can penetrate a shield made out of his chi... just like how Superman could scratch his nose through his bio electric field, and it still protected him from external forces. How does the nature of force fields have anything to do with the Ultrabots? None of the had force fields.
Their weapons were flame throwers, throwing stars, swords, and bullets. They weren't uber in anyway shape or form. Jack destroyed them with a robotic arm that increased his strength. They were destroyed with bullets. Igniting the oil inside of them caused them to explode. They sucked.
You must be unfamiliar with how fire works in a lot of fiction. Promethium flamers in WH40k for example.
You're ignoring that based on Jack initially being unable to damage them, yes, they were very, very durable. Comparable to primary adamantium? I'd never argue that. But they're still very durable.
I have no actual interest in this thread, but I read through it, and you're being incredibly dismissive of the Jack supporters but you don't seem to have much high ground on them. Wolverine potentially moving half as fast as a bullet would not make him faster than Jack, skill is hard to measure, and Jack is significantly stronger.
This is not the stomp you're trying to present it as.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You must be unfamiliar with how fire works in a lot of fiction. Promethium flamers in WH40k for example.You're ignoring that based on Jack initially being unable to damage them, yes, they were very, very durable. Comparable to primary adamantium? I'd never argue that. But they're still very durable.
I have no actual interest in this thread, but I read through it, and you're being incredibly dismissive of the Jack supporters but you don't seem to have much high ground on them. Wolverine potentially moving half as fast as a bullet would not make him faster than Jack, skill is hard to measure, and Jack is significantly stronger.
This is not the stomp you're trying to present it as.
Please, explain to me how fire works. dur
I'm ignoring their durability because they were destroyed on screen by numerous sources. Brute force. Bullets. Combustion. Swords. Literally nothing worth talking about. Even the Mandroids are more impressive.
That speed feat of Wolverine is head and shoulders above anything Jack has ever done. By a tall order. You think I'm wrong? That's easy enough to prove, show me a single feat where Jack displays greater or equal speed. The reality is that speed showcased in that scan is several orders of magnitude greater than anything Jack as done. It's a legitimate bullet time feat, requiring a much higher level of speed that what is needed to rapidly rattle a sword blade back and forth the width of a bullet.
Wolverine been hit full speed by a pick-up truck and stopped stopped the car dead in it's track without moving an inch or being knocked off his feat. While riding a motorcycle, he uppercut a car, cutting it clean in half and launched both ends of the car into the air. Strength is pretty much a wash.
None of that physically stuff even really matters in the grand scheme of things though, because Wolverine's healing factor is the reason he wins. There is nothing Jack can do to put Wolverine down. If Wolverine didn't have a healing factor, this would be worth talking about... but unfortunately he does have his healing factor. Wolverine can tank Jack's best blows all day long. Jack will go down if Wolverine connects cleanly once. Even if Wolverine wasn't faster and more skilled than Jack - and make no mistake, he is - he is still more than proficient enough to hit Jack once... which is all he needs. How is that not a stomp?
facepalm
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
facepalmThe muramasa blade was forged by an immortal demon swordsmith with portion of Wolverine's soul the express purpose of killing people with healing factors.
Hmm. This reminded me of something.
We have seen Aku being attacked by weapons other than Jack's sword, and he's shown either outright immunity, absorption, or a healing factor. When Jack sword touches him it doesn't heal, and actively burns away parts of Aku. Not to mention the various magic stuff the sword has cut through, like Demongo's essence binding or the gauntlets of a Titan. Thoughts on this vs. Wolverine?
Also, this: http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb380/scenario3/Screenshots/SJgoldswimming.png
Jack swimming while holding a gold helmet as large as he is. I think it's a pretty good answer to the piano feat even if Jack didn't quite make it all the way to the surface.
None of those speed feats are the equal of Wolverine's... so how there still a question as to who is faster?
You sure? From the feats posted, Jack has matched nearly all of them. Wolverine dodges machinegun fire, Jack dodges machinegun fire, and blocks it occasionally. Wolverine deflects a missile after it's been fired, Jack has cut three missiles out of the air at once, kicked two into another opponent, and dodged the rest, all after they've been fired. Jack also has the bounty hunter water drop feat. From what I have seen in this thread, Jack has an answer or an equivalent to all of the feats Blight and you have provided, with one exception: the Orphan Maker projectile, which someone said wasn't a bullet so I don't know. Perhaps another missile.
That is one outlying feat on each side, versus all others showing them to be nigh equal in speed. So forgive me if I conclude they have similar speed stats. Maybe we can start counting the times Jack has deflected Aku's eye lasers, as well as various energy weapons (by which I mean more lasers.)
ON THE ULTRA-BOTS: I don't really care about them, as all they really have is the adamantium statement, but I do think you're selling them a bit short. I don't think it's unreasonable for the chaingun-bot's bullets to also be adamantium, for example. The robot arm was made by the same scientist that made specifically to fight them, it's again not unreasonable for it to be able to harm them on its own. They're a good enough battle.
(Wolverine is just going to let Jack pray to his ancestors to power up? I don't think so, so it's hardly going to be relevant here.)
ON THE WATER DROP AND BOUNTY HUNTERS: Which objects are we referring to that have different falling rates? As I recall, most them were thrown objects. If something being thrown downwards, of course it's going to move faster than something simply falling. None of this really changes the fact that the drop of water is framing the scene, it's entire narrative purpose was to show off Jack's speed. It's certainly no more nonsense than swimming against rapids with a large object, which kicks basic fluid physics to curb in a very similar way.
I'll address your post tomorrow Scenario. In the mean time I recommend you peruse the Wolverine respect thread:
I would say that Jack and Wolverine are near equal in speed. I would also say that they are near strength with maybe a slight edge to jack.
Problem is it's clear Wolverine has the durability advantage and the advantage of a healing factor which Jack can not compensate for. Scenario, your theory of the sword hurting Aku is an interesting one, but it's not relevant to Wolverine since:
A) The sword being the only thing that can hurt Aku would be a No-Limits fallacy and
B) The sword wasn't created with the express intention of stopping a healing factor (Using Wolverine's blood as the Catalyst no less).
In the end I think Jack would get his scrapes in but it wouldn't be near enough to down Wolverine. Likewise, every cut Wolverine made would be near fatal.
Originally posted by Blight
I would say that Jack and Wolverine are near equal in speed. I would also say that they are near strength with [b]maybe a slight edge to jack.Problem is it's clear Wolverine has the durability advantage and the advantage of a healing factor which Jack can not compensate for. Scenario, your theory of the sword hurting Aku is an interesting one, but it's not relevant to Wolverine since:
A) The sword being the only thing that can hurt Aku would be a No-Limits fallacy[/B]
Aku has been attacked by all manner of weaponry, from the feudal/medieval to the highly technological. Jack's sword is the only weapon from the entire roster of things utilized against Aku that clearly damages and weakens him. Everything else he's shrugged off or even used against his attackers. So it may be a fallacy,but the evidence at least shows that it would take something incredibly rare and powerful to harm Aku. I think supernatural items would be the best chance to hurt him beside the sword, which is itself supernatural in origin, and even then they're likely to be less effective than Jack's sword...hmm, this gives me an idea for a couple new threads.
Originally posted by Blight
Nothing Special. If Wolverine was dropped from that height in that time it would've been him. dancesuperm
Now you're just trollin'. 😛
Originally posted by XanatosForever
Aku has been attacked by all manner of weaponry, from the feudal/medieval to the highly technological. Jack's sword is the only weapon from the entire roster of things utilized against Aku that clearly damages and weakens him.
Well except for that time he got a cold.
