Wolverine vs Samurai Jack

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Aku has been attacked by all manner of weaponry, from the feudal/medieval to the highly technological. Jack's sword is the only weapon from the entire roster of things utilized against Aku that clearly damages and weakens him. Everything else he's shrugged off or even used against his attackers. So it may be a fallacy,but the evidence at least shows that it would take something incredibly rare and powerful to harm Aku. I think supernatural items would be the best chance to hurt him beside the sword, which is itself supernatural in origin, and even then they're likely to be less effective than Jack's sword...hmm, this gives me an idea for a couple new threads.

Now you're just trollin'. 😛

There's just no proof of it stopping a healing factor. Powerful, yes. I believe it can cut wolverine (Not his bones, though). Even if the bullets were of the same metal as the robots, Adamantium doesn't cut Adamantium in the Marvel U. I don't believe the sword would negate his healing factor at all.

Ah, I misunderstood the argument on this part. My mistake.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'll address your post tomorrow Scenario. In the mean time I recommend you peruse the Wolverine respect thread:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t486007.html

LoL, I've forgotten how some writers outright wanked Logan to ridiculousness through the years.

I much prefer the incarnations of Wolverine where he's not punching cars into the air or healing faster than the Hulk could ever dream of.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'll address your post tomorrow Scenario. In the mean time I recommend you peruse the Wolverine respect thread:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t486007.html

Thankee.

Now then, going through some episodes right now and I think I found a good feat. Jack and the Scotsman, part 1, when we first meet the Scotsman and he ends up shackled to Jack. There's a part where one of the bounty hunters chasing them tries to fire off a huge cannon, the recoil of which throws the whole tank backwards through a building. Jack and the Scotsman then get the idea to jump toward the shell in order to break their shackles. The best video of this I can find is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-OlSznvRd8#t=51s

Sadly, it omits the cannon's destructive recoil, which was my favorite part. Regardless, that's both Jack and the Scotsman being able to jump into the path of an already fired cannon shell, though you need the full context of the episode to know the distances involved, like them jumping 20 feet up to reach the thing.

Good enough?

Originally posted by The Scenario
Hmm. This reminded me of something.

We have seen Aku being attacked by weapons other than Jack's sword, and he's shown either outright immunity, absorption, or a healing factor. When Jack sword touches him it doesn't heal, and actively burns away parts of Aku. Not to mention the various magic stuff the sword has cut through, like Demongo's essence binding or the gauntlets of a Titan. Thoughts on this vs. Wolverine?

Jack's sword was made with the solo purpose of destroying Aku, so it's not really surprising that it can. It was made to destroy evil, can't be used for evil purposes and can't harm the innocent, I don't see it having any effect on Wolverine greater than that of a normal sword. The primary advantage it will bring Jack is that Wolverine won't be able to cut clean through it on a block or parry.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Also, this: http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb380/scenario3/Screenshots/SJgoldswimming.png

Jack swimming while holding a gold helmet as large as he is. I think it's a pretty good answer to the piano feat even if Jack didn't quite make it all the way to the surface.

Impressive. I would think that's at least 400lbs?

Originally posted by The Scenario
You sure? From the feats posted, Jack has matched nearly all of them. Wolverine dodges machinegun fire, Jack dodges machinegun fire, and blocks it occasionally. Wolverine deflects a missile after it's been fired, Jack has cut three missiles out of the air at once, kicked two into another opponent, and dodged the rest, all after they've been fired. Jack also has the bounty hunter water drop feat. From what I have seen in this thread, Jack has an answer or an equivalent to all of the feats Blight and you have provided, with one exception: the Orphan Maker projectile, which someone said wasn't a bullet so I don't know. Perhaps another missile.

Quite positive. It's not an overwhelming or insurmountable advantage, but it is an advantage. The logistics behind Wolverine's feats are more impressive on the whole.

Who said Orphan Maker's gun doesn't fire bullets? 😕

Originally posted by The Scenario
ON THE ULTRA-BOTS: I don't really care about them, as all they really have is the adamantium statement, but I do think you're selling them a bit short. I don't think it's unreasonable for the chaingun-bot's bullets to also be adamantium, for example. The robot arm was made by the same scientist that made specifically to fight them, it's again not unreasonable for it to be able to harm them on its own. They're a good enough battle.

I don't think I'm selling them short at all. I understand the pro Jack supports have an agenda to push, but really it's completely fallacious to pretend that the Ultra-bots were some nigh indestructible beings... because they weren't. They were easily destroyed by multiple sources in the episode. Sure, Jack's sword was originally unable to damage them, but that only accounts for so much.

Jack completely shattered one of the Ultra-bots by punching it with his robot arm. That is pure brute force. The arm being made of the same material would account for very little outside providing a very flimsy reasoning for why it itself wasn't destroyed in the attack (but really... Jack's arm would needed to have been made out of a significantly stronger metal for that to make any sense).

As for the rest? Adamantium can't destroy Adamantium, and have you ever tried chopping down a tree with a piece of wood? I don't imagine that would yield impressive results. The completely unverified and unsubstantiated idea that the Ultrabot's weapons might have been made out of the same material they were this case... because they were destroyed all the same.

Originally posted by The Scenario
ON THE WATER DROP AND BOUNTY HUNTERS: Which objects are we referring to that have different falling rates? As I recall, most them were thrown objects. If something being thrown downwards, of course it's going to move faster than something simply falling. None of this really changes the fact that the drop of water is framing the scene, it's entire narrative purpose was to show off Jack's speed. It's certainly no more nonsense than swimming against rapids with a large object, which kicks basic fluid physics to curb in a very similar way.

Several objects, including the body the body of at least one bounty hunters after Jack defeated him, are shown falling at a much faster pace than the water drop. It's a children's cartoon, making sense and adhering to the laws of physics aren't a huge priority, but it's pretty difficult to take that example seriously. Someone says "Look how fast he is! He did all this before a drop of water hit the ground!" and then you watch the video and gravity seems to pick and choose what it is going to work on.

Not really sure what's wrong with the Wolverine swimming against the rapids with a piano though on a scientific basis. I mean, Tugboats pull barrages, and other much larger boats behind them routinely, I even read a story once about a 12 food alligator that dragged a boat around with several fishermen in it for half an hour once. Wolverine swimming up some rapids while towing a piano is crazy, put it should be possible - if extremely difficult - for someone of his strength class.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Thankee.

Now then, going through some episodes right now and I think I found a good feat. Jack and the Scotsman, part 1, when we first meet the Scotsman and he ends up shackled to Jack. There's a part where one of the bounty hunters chasing them tries to fire off a huge cannon, the recoil of which throws the whole tank backwards through a building. Jack and the Scotsman then get the idea to jump toward the shell in order to break their shackles. The best video of this I can find is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-OlSznvRd8#t=51s

Sadly, it omits the cannon's destructive recoil, which was my favorite part. Regardless, that's both Jack and the Scotsman being able to jump into the path of an already fired cannon shell, though you need the full context of the episode to know the distances involved, like them jumping 20 feet up to reach the thing.

Good enough?

Here's the thing, I've seen Samurai Jack. You aren't showing me anything I haven't seen. It's been like seven years, so it's not fresh in my mind, and there is plenty I've forgotten... but it doesn't really mater. Because seven years ago, when it was all fresh in my mind, I still knew Wolverine would win... and Wolverine has seven years of additional feats since them. Some of the best in his entire career. Samurai Jack has done nothing in that time, his episodes fading into the rear view of my mind, and that whole time Wolverine has been getting better.

Seven years ago while watching Samurai Jack you were thinking "Wolverine could so wreck this guy"? Cos that's odd.

Doom knows all.

Although I notice you kind of side-stepped the feat, srank.

Originally posted by Robtard
Seven years ago while watching Samurai Jack you were thinking "Wolverine could so wreck this guy"? Cos that's odd.

Seven years ago I was on this and other versus forums, thinking that Wolverine could beat Jack. 😎

Originally posted by Nephthys
Doom knows all.

Although I notice you kind of side-stepped the feat, srank.

It seems like a better durability feat than a speed feat, and Wolverine has that category sewn up. /shrug

Dunno how this thread has lasted so long. Wolverine utterly tears Jack's shit to pieces.

Well, you know how it is.. There's always some idjiots keeping a thead alive in the face of overwhelming evidence. 😉

Jack carves Logan up with his eyes closed. You could add in Gorgon, Romulus, and Daken, and the result would be the same. 😄

cdtm, continuing his find tradition of being the most uninformed poster on KMC.

The law of averages says you are bound to be correct one of these days, even if it's by mistake, but you are certainly straining the laws of probability with the record you have going right now.

You make h1a8 look like has a clue what he is talking about.

Wolverine wins, 10/10. This a spite thread.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
cdtm, continuing his find tradition of being the most uninformed poster on KMC.

The law of averages says you are bound to be correct one of these days, even if it's by mistake, but you are certainly straining the laws of probability with the record you have going right now.

You make h1a8 look like has a clue what he is talking about.

Wolverine wins, 10/10. This a spite thread.

😆 Classic Srank.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Thankee.

Now then, going through some episodes right now and I think I found a good feat. Jack and the Scotsman, part 1, when we first meet the Scotsman and he ends up shackled to Jack. There's a part where one of the bounty hunters chasing them tries to fire off a huge cannon, the recoil of which throws the whole tank backwards through a building. Jack and the Scotsman then get the idea to jump toward the shell in order to break their shackles. The best video of this I can find is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-OlSznvRd8#t=51s

Sadly, it omits the cannon's destructive recoil, which was my favorite part. Regardless, that's both Jack and the Scotsman being able to jump into the path of an already fired cannon shell, though you need the full context of the episode to know the distances involved, like them jumping 20 feet up to reach the thing.

Good enough?

Seriously, I respect the effort you're putting in, but lets be serious:

Blocking machinegun fire should close the book on Jack having faster reflex feats. Sranks argued Spidey could reproduce those feats, and either downplayed or outright ignored your feats.. To be blunt, you'll have better luck getting Mindset to argue seriously. 🙁

Originally posted by cdtm
Seriously, I respect the effort you're putting in, but lets be serious:

Blocking machinegun fire should close the book on Jack having faster reflex feats. Sranks argued Spidey could reproduce those feats, and either downplayed or outright ignored your feats.. To be blunt, you'll have better luck getting Mindset to argue seriously. 🙁

Wolverine doesn't block bullets... because he doesn't need to. Luckily the speed feats he does have are level or two above bullet blocking. Blocking bullets is small potatoes, virtually every Wolverine rogue other than Sabertooth (who also doesn't need to) has blocked machine gun fire. You really think Jack rotating his wrist 45 degrees back forth matches the Wolverine speed feats posted in this thread? I know that your brain is some sort of jerry-rigged barely function Frankenstein monstrosity that barely gets the neurons firing, but even you should be able see that Wolverine's feats are superior.

facepalm

Usain Bolt v.s. Babe Ruth, who has better reaction time?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Usain Bolt v.s. Babe Ruth, who has better reaction time?

You guys are going to give me a stress head ache with stupid questions like these.

Machine gun goes off. Bullets leave the chamber. Wolverine turns around. Runs to the target. Get's there before the bullets. Wraps his arms around the target and shields her with his body. Usain Bolt v Babe Ruth is not an apt comparison.

Also Usain Bolt's reaction time is 165 milliseconds, he probably had faster reaction time than Ruth anyway.

It really, really is.

Easily deflecting bullets shows precision and ease that simply being in the way of a bullet does not display.

Edit: http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Fullerton/

I only skimmed this, but it seems to suggest Ruth was pretty out standing.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It really, really is.

Easily deflecting bullets shows precision and ease that simply being in the way of a bullet does not display.

Edit: http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Fullerton/

I only skimmed this, but it seems to suggest Ruth was pretty out standing.

It's really not.

Here's how it would be the same. If Usain Bolt stood half way between the pitcher and the batter, looking at the pitcher. When the pitcher throws his pitch, Usain Bolt waits until the ball leaves the pitcher's hands, turns then runs towards the batter. He gets to the batter before the ball does.

Yeah he was a specimen.

The velocity of a machine gun round is about 1000m/s give or take depending on the model (for convenience and clarity we will ignore the fact that Orphan Maker charges his rounds with energy for a railgun esq effect). Trance was two meters from Orphan Maker, with Wolverine somewhere in the middle. It would have taken .002 seconds for the bullets to reach Trance after leaving leaving the barrel of the gun. Wolverine reacted after the bullets left the barrel, and got to the target first, which means his reaction time was significantly faster than .002 seconds in this specific example.

Unlike bullet blocking, Wolverine had to have been faster than the bullets to accomplish the feat in question, where as blocking bullets allows for the possibility of merely reading the shooter, calculating the trajectory and positioning the sword to intercept the trajectory before the bullet is actually fired. In that sense your baseball comparison is apt, because it's more about timing and reading the pitch then it is speed, or else guys who swing 75mph bats would never hit a 100mph fast ball.