Uatu Vs Surtur

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That's ridiculous. According to the narration, the end result was ultimately the same: massive energy output washing over a war that was waged on and effected infinite/every plane of reality.

What's your point?

I repeat: We can measure the destructive capacity of one Odin and Seths feat as opposed to the watcher.

This is why the watchers feat is of no consequence.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

AGAIN not the same thing. Hurting Galactus or even beating him is completely different than doing it until the end of time and the universe dies.

So, a stalemate is more impressive than a defeat?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

* That's not hard to understand. By all means, bring up Rulk. It's not equal to the lowest showings of Odin or Surtur,

*which I wouldn't even bring up anyway for the same reason: it's a low showing and not indicative of their normal prowess.

It really isn't comparable in the slightest, Odins lowest showing doesn't involve him getting beaten like a punk.

So, why are you bringing up Galactus low showing?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

Okay. On panel, they displayed feats to justify warping on a universal level including creating universes (which, yes, I'm aware Odin has done).

Reference please.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

I'd wager they can, yes, based off of what they've done and can do on panel.

You haven't posted any references for said on-panel evidence, btw.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

Odin didn't use them on Surtur, either. And Surtur killed Odin thanks to some context which won't apply to Uatu here. And Odin hasn't displayed some of the feats Watchers have done on the same scale, either, so it's a moot point. And we know for a fact that Surtur can be BFRed, which is well with Uatu's ability.

There feats aren't on the same scale, though.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Nope , in both cases the statement is made by the narrative , which doesn't make one more quantifiable than the other .

The statements aren't the same, one involves destruction and the other "traveling". Narrative statements are quantifiable BTW.

Originally posted by Classic NES
The statements aren't the same, one involves destruction and the other "traveling". Narrative statements are quantifiable BTW.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
And where did I state that they were the same ? Both were made by the narrative , so I don't see how one becomes more quantifiable than the other , without injecting bias into one particular battle .

I'm just saying, which is a better demonstration of power: "Travels through infinite realms" or destroying countless galaxies?

Originally posted by Classic NES
What's your point?

I repeat: We can measure the destructive capacity of one Odin and Seths feat as opposed to the watcher.

This is why the watchers feat is of no consequence.

So, a stalemate is more impressive than a defeat?

It really isn't comparable in the slightest, Odins lowest showing doesn't involve him getting beaten like a punk.

So, why are you bringing up Galactus low showing?

Reference please.

You haven't posted any references for on-panel evidence, btw.

There feats aren't on the same scale, though.

The effect of both fights was exactly the same. That's all that really matters in the end. Not sure how it went from not being in the same league as Odin/Seth to being of no consequence, but that's your prerogative.

A Watching battling Galactus until the universe dies before ultimately dying himself is far more impressive than the likes of Thor or Sentry stalemating Galactus for a time. I mean, I'm seriously not getting how you compare the two completely different scales.

Odin's lowest showing completely shows him getting kidnapped and sold off like cattle at an alien ant auction. It's completely embarassing and easily the worst showing I can think of for Odin and so absurd I couldn't even make it up. That is far worse than getting sucker punched by Rulk.

What Galactus low showing are you even talking about? My point is that every character has low showing (high ones too for that matter). Looking at one or the other and arbitrarily deciding that's the level they're consistently on is ridiculous.

Reference to which one? The Watcher or Odin?

I have, actually.

No, they're not on the same scale. The Watchers as a rule have consistently better displays of time/spatial warping than Odin does, though his high end feats are up there. And Surtur has next to none I can think of under his own power and even less powers to counter everything Watchers can do.

Originally posted by Classic NES
I'm just saying, which is a better demonstration of power: "Travels through infinite realms" or destroying countless galaxies?

Neither is anymore impressive than the other really .

But anyways , "could imperil untold galaxies" was a statement made by Strange , not the narrative .

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
A Watching battling Galactus until the universe dies before ultimately dying himself is far more impressive than the likes of Thor or Sentry stalemating Galactus for a time. I mean, I'm seriously not getting how you compare the two completely different scales.

Originally posted by zopzop
Dude this isn't canon.

How is it not? I mean, What-If's aren't canon, but Uatu and Watchers in general have the ability to access those alternate worlds, divergent timelines, and things that never came to be. It's the very nature of their existence.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
How is it not? I mean, What-If's aren't canon, but Uatu and Watchers in general have the ability to access those alternate worlds, divergent timelines, and things that never came to be. It's the very nature of their existence.

In What Ifs, the PF is a universe destroyer using nothing but it's own power (I counted at least three times it's done it), yet in 616 reality, the most it destroyed was a solar system (with Necrom as it's pseudo host).

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The effect of both fights was exactly the same. That's all that really matters in the end.

No, they were not. Infact, I'm still trying to interpret your feat. How the destruction of galaxies compares to traveling through infinite realms is beyond me.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

Not sure how it went from not being in the same league as Odin/Seth to being of no consequence, but that's your prerogative.

And, I'm not sure how it was even the same league to begin with.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

A Watching battling Galactus until the universe dies before ultimately dying himself is far more impressive than the likes of Thor or Sentry stalemating Galactus for a time. I mean, I'm seriously not getting how you compare the two completely different scales.

So, you don't understand how a battle reaching it's conclusion sooner rather than a million years later is more impressive?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

What Galactus low showing are you even talking about? My point is that every character has low showing (high ones too for that matter). Looking at one or the other and arbitrarily deciding that's the level they're consistently on is ridiculous.

I already made my point about Galactus getting the worf effect.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

Reference to which one? The Watcher or Odin?

I have, actually.

Where?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

No, they're not on the same scale. The Watchers as a rule have consistently better displays of time/spatial warping than Odin does, though his high end feats are up there. And Surtur has next to none I can think of under his own power and even less powers to counter everything Watchers can do.

What have they done on panel with their spatial abilities besides mutter to themselves about what they could do?

Surtur doesn't need spatial abilities, his destructive abilities are more than enough.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

Neither is anymore impressive than the other really .

I beg to differ or maybe I misinterpreting the feat?

Originally posted by Classic NES
I beg to differ or maybe I misinterpreting the feat?

Originally posted by Classic NES
No, they were not. Infact, I'm still trying to interpret your feat. How the destruction of galaxies compares to traveling through infinite realms is beyond me.

And, I'm not sure how it was even the same league to begin with.

So, you don't understand how a battle reaching it's conclusion sooner rather than a million years later is more impressive?

I already made my point about Galactus getting the worf effect.

Where?

What have they done on panel with their spatial abilities besides mutter to themselves about what they could do?

Surtur doesn't need spatial abilities, his destructive abilities are more than enough.

Infinite realities were effected by their output of energy in both fights. The narration was abundantly clear to regard.

They effected the same thing: infinite realities.

facepalm Neither Thor or Sentry have displayed the insane levels of energy needed to fight for eons with the likes of Galactus till the end of the universe. That's the point and it's why they're completely not the same thing. Galactus being "worfed" doesn't change the fact that devoid of plot device and context (ie. hunger) he's easily destroying galaxies.

I already mentioned the feats in general. Unless you're asking for specific issues. Otherwise, take a gander at the Watcher Respect thread if you don't know what they've done.

Rearrange solar systems, travel through time and send people through time at a whim, access alternate realities outside of 616 Marvel. Surtur's destructive power gets endured as easily as they have tanked galaxy busting power or wars waged across infinite reality before he gets BFRed against his will.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
How is it not? I mean, What-If's aren't canon, but Uatu and Watchers in general have the ability to access those alternate worlds, divergent timelines, and things that never came to be. It's the very nature of their existence.

What Ifs are considered non-canon anyways .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Neither seemed anymore impressive than the other .

What does "war waged across infinite rivers of reality" mean to you? How do you interpret that statement. BTW, Odins fight with Seth was being felt across every plane of existence.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Infinite realities were effected by their output of energy in both fights. The narration was abundantly clear to regard.

They effected the same thing: infinite realities.

Well, since I didn't see the narration. All I had to work with was this: "war waged across infinite rivers of reality"

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

facepalm Neither Thor or Sentry have displayed the insane levels of energy needed to fight for eons with the likes of Galactus till the end of the universe. That's the point and it's why they're completely not the same thing. Galactus being "worfed" doesn't change the fact that devoid of plot device and context (ie. hunger) he's easily destroying galaxies.

Those plot devices didn't come into play against Thor and Sentry. So, that's moot.

Second, they don't need to fight him for eternity since they can handle him in much shorter time frame.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

Rearrange solar systems, travel through time and send people through time at a whim, access alternate realities outside of 616 Marvel.

Thor can do 2/3 of those feats alone. This is not impressive, sorry.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

Surtur's destructive power gets endured as easily as they have tanked galaxy busting power or wars waged across infinite reality before he gets BFRed against his will.

I'm stilling waiting for that universe busting feat.

Originally posted by Classic NES
What does "war waged across infinite rivers of reality" mean to you? How do you interpret that statement.

Originally posted by Classic NES

BTW, Odins fight with Seth was being felt across every plane of existence.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

Which is no different from a war that is "waged across infinite rivers of reality" .

Except the amount of collateral damage.

Fine, Uatu breaks the 4th wall, and beats Surtur.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
That it was a war waged across all the rivers/planes of reality .

Which is no different from a war that is "waged across infinite rivers of reality" .