Uatu Vs Surtur

Originally posted by Classic NES
Except the amount of collateral damage.

Not to mention that most of the collateral damage was limited only to their native continuum . Both the Watcher and skyfather fights were felt across countless planes of reality . From the 2 narrative statements'(which are the root cause of this argument) perspective neither is anymore impressive than the other .

Originally posted by Classic NES
Well, since I didn't see the narration. All I had to work with was this: "war waged across infinite rivers of reality"

Those plot devices didn't come into play against Thor and Sentry. So, that's moot.

Second, they don't need to fight him for eternity since they can handle him in much shorter time frame.

Thor can do 2/3 of those feats alone. This is not impressive, sorry.

I'm stilling waiting for that universe busting feat.

I posted the scans.

Concerning Thor: the time he could have killed Galactus was a hungry Galactus that had felt pain for the first time in milennia. Consistently, Thor can and has staggered Galactus. Galactus then dismisses him or doesn't even verify him as a threat. It's completely dependent on plot.

Concerning Sentry: We heard it from Spider-Man and X-Man. No further context is elaborated on. If you think Sentry, straight up, without plot device or fighting a hungry Galactus, stalemated him, be my guess. It would be completely based off of nothing he did on panel save "EXPLODING SUNS" hype, but that's it.

Thor can't do 2/3 of those to the scale a Watcher can. Not even close. Even Classic Thor's time manipulation powers were limited compared to Uatu. And Surtur can only bust a universe with Twilight, allegedly. Without it, he has very limited options against a guy who can bend time and space on a whim.

More food for thought: the Celestials, obviously, didn't give a damn about Odin and his peers. They, did, however, deem the Watchers a threat and prepped to beat them.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Going by this line of logic then Odin/Seth >>>>>>>> Third Host as the collateral damage from the former battle was dozens of orders of magnitude greater than what the latter battle produced .

LOL the Asgard wankage is incredible over at Marvel 😛

The differences is that Seth and Odin war was doing massive damage on every level.

Originally posted by zopzop
Actually the Odin/Seth throwdown was more impressive, collateral damage wise, than the ENTIRE Cosmic Hierarchy attacking Thanos with the IG simultaneously!

Originally posted by zopzop
LOL the Asgard wankage is incredible over at Marvel 😛

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
From the 2 narrative statements'(which are the root cause of this argument) perspective neither is anymore impressive than the other .

The narrative mentions ontold destruction on one instance versus another. they are not equal by any means.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
And the Galactus vs Scrier & Other battle surpassed that feat . Collateral damage from a fight is hardly a good gauging of power-levels .

You're backpedaling now, you claimed the feats were the same they are not. End of story.

Originally posted by Classic NES
The differences is that Seth and Odin war was doing massive damage on every level.

At the multi-plane of reality level , neither battle was anymore impressive than the other , from both the narratives' perspective .

Originally posted by Classic NES
The narrative mentions ontold destruction on one instance versus another. they are not equal by any means.

As I have mentioned many times before :

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Neither is anymore impressive than the other really .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
And the Galactus vs Scrier & Other battle surpassed that feat . Collateral damage from a fight is hardly a good gauging of power-levels.

Go and tell this to the writers of AVX or Dark Reign .

Originally posted by Classic NES
The narrative mentions ontold destruction on one instance versus another. they are not equal by any means.

Originally posted by Classic NES

You're backpedaling now, you claimed the feats were the same they are not. End of story.

Originally posted by zopzop

Exactly! The writers aren't even trying anymore.

As crappy as Thor's showings have been during the AvX event, he still has his moments. Amped Omega Mutant Emma was still unable to cope with his mind. And he did stun the full PF when he hurled Mjolnir at it, causing it to go crashing into a planet. [/B]

Marvel's cosmic hierarchy is fickle. Changes with the regime.

👆

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I posted the scans.

Concerning Thor: the time he could have killed Galactus was a hungry Galactus that had felt pain for the first time in milennia. Consistently, Thor can and has staggered Galactus. Galactus then dismisses him or doesn't even verify him as a threat. It's completely dependent on plot.

Concerning Sentry: We heard it from Spider-Man and X-Man. No further context is elaborated on. If you think Sentry, straight up, without plot device or fighting a hungry Galactus, stalemated him, be my guess. It would be completely based off of nothing he did on panel save "EXPLODING SUNS" hype, but that's it.

Galactus has worst showings, like when he was cloned and it had a 60% chance of surviving a planetery explosion.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

Thor can't do 2/3 of those to the scale a Watcher can. Not even close. Even Classic Thor's time manipulation powers were limited compared to Uatu. And Surtur can only bust a universe with Twilight, allegedly. Without it, he has very limited options against a guy who can bend time and space on a whim.

Your doing that thing again where you make a statement without a point to back it up. Watcher time manipulation is better how. cause you say so?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

More food for thought: the Celestials, obviously, didn't give a damn about Odin and his peers. They, did, however, deem the Watchers a threat and prepped to beat them.

Odin was weakened during the Celestial saga. His eye was missing. Hell, during the Celestial saga Odin + Zeus + Vishnu combine their power to blast a Celestial; the blast is said to strike with power enough to knock a planet from orbit and Odin wasn't sure he could destroy a planet. That arc is full of PIS.

Originally posted by zopzop

Exactly! The writers aren't even trying anymore.

Originally posted by zopzop

As crappy as Thor's showings have been during the AvX event, he still has his moments. Amped Omega Mutant Emma was still unable to cope with his mind. And he did stun the full PF when he hurled Mjolnir at it, causing it to go crashing into a planet.

What about Dark Reign then ?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Nope , in the first case , as pointed out before , its Strange who makes the "could imperil untold galaxies" statement , not the narrative , and even going by his statements its only a likely possibility , not an actual event happening .

Try reading the scans next time.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
When are you going to stop with this bold-faced lie ? The narrative mentions no such thing

Yes, it does:

"Long dead Galaxies are shattered"
"Distant dying suns are reignited"

Originally posted by Classic NES
Odin was weakened during the Celestial saga. His eye was missing. Hell, during the Celestial saga Odin + Zeus + Vishnu combine their power to blast a Celestial; the blast is said to strike with power enough to knock a planet from orbit and Odin wasn't sure he could destroy a planet. That arc is full of PIS.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Galactus has worst showings, like when he was cloned and it had a 60% chance of surviving a planetery explosion.

Your doing that thing again where you make a statement without a point to back it up. Watcher time manipulation is better how. cause you say so?

Odin was weakened during the Celestial saga. His eye was missing. Hell, during the Celestial saga Odin + Zeus + Vishnu combine their power to blast a Celestial; the blast is said to strike with power enough to knock a planet from orbit and Odin wasn't sure he could destroy a planet. That arc is full of PIS.

And then he one shots galaxies while weakened. What's your point? That Galactus upper and high end feats should be ignored for his lower ones? That's called lowballing.

Because the ease and the scale that he operates? He can deage people with a gesture or rapidly age them until death. He can access timelines and dimensions and realities that Thor simply can't, especially current. It's not because I say so; it's because of what they've done on panel.

😬 the Celestials have consistently been portrayed and stated to being above skyfathers conventionally.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Ever since he gave it up to get more knowledge , Odin has always been missing his eye .
And he didn't seem much weakened when he put on the Destroyer armor , or when he displayed to ability to manipulate souls of millions of gods .

Are you serious?

He wasn't sure he could destroy a planet and 3 skyfathers released a blast that was only capable of knocking a planet off it's orbit. That's way lower than their best.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Try reading the scans next time.

Yes, it does:

[B]"Long dead Galaxies are shattered"
"Distant dying suns are reignited"

[/B]

Originally posted by Classic NES
Are you serious?

He wasn't sure he could destroy a planet and 3 skyfathers released a blast that was only capable of knocking a planet off it's orbit. That's way lower than their best.

His true goal was not the destruction of the planet , but its preservation in the upcoming battle against the Celestials . You can't just assume that he was weaker just because he didn't display his higher end feats in that arc .

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And then he one shots galaxies while weakened. What's your point?

My point is a good showing against Galactus is most certainly always a low showing for him. So, why are you using it for the watcher?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

Because the ease and the scale that he operates? He can deage people with a gesture or rapidly age them until death. He can access timelines and dimensions and realities that Thor simply can't, especially current. It's not because I say so; it's because of what they've done on panel.

Thor can travel anywhere in the Marvel U. Stated on-panel.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

😬 the Celestials have consistently been portrayed and stated to being above skyfathers conventionally.

Whatever

Doesn't change the fact that the story arch that cemented them as such is filled with low showings for the Gods.