Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Based on this logic then , if someone with the Infinity Gauntlet is able to overpower Galactus after a long battle , means that its a low showing for him ?
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I already know that , seeing how I have read that battle so many times . And how does that equate to "untold damage" , something which was thought about by Strange ?
You're either lying or not reading the scan. The narration mentions galaxies being destroyed, So, your claim that it was only stated by strange is wrong.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Nope , the massive damage was only limited to the 616-continuum ,
Then that means that the watcher was only in the 616 continuum too. Since, according to you they both say the same thing.
Someone prove to me Uatu would win the majority. Curious how he stands up to Surtur because not unlike the Stranger, I find him to be very meh in a great deal of his appearances that I've read in regards to power.
That being said, I've seen an instance or two that treat Watchers with a great deal respect and Odin/Uatu seemed to regard each other as peers IIRC, so even if he might be outmatched the majority of the time, this isn't always the case.
Originally posted by Classic NES
You're either lying or not reading the scan. The narration mentions galaxies being destroyed, So, your claim that it was only stated by strange is wrong.
Originally posted by Classic NES
Then that means that the watcher was only in the 616 continuum too. Since, according to you they both say the same thing.
Originally posted by Classic NES
He was weaker, he stated so himself. He stated it was beyond his power to destroy a planet and it was later stated that the loss of his eye had weakened him.
Originally posted by Classic NES
No, since I.G. supremacy doesn't hinge on it beating Galactus. It has alot of other feats that help establish this. Other characters like Tenebrous and Aegis on the other hand don't. It's a case by case basis, but on average it's jobbing. A exception like the I.G. doesn't change that.
As it stands , your implied line of logic is full of fail .
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Someone prove to me Uatu would win the majority. Curious how he stands up to Surtur because not unlike the Stranger, I find him to be very meh in a great deal of his appearances that I've read in regards to power.That being said, I've seen an instance or two that treat Watchers with a great deal respect and Odin/Uatu seemed to regard each other as peers IIRC, so even if he might be outmatched the majority of the time, this isn't always the case.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Now it appears you're twisting my words , and shifting your stance . I clearly stated that the narration doesn't mention "[b]countless galaxies being destroyed" or "untold damage being caused" , because those type of statements are made by Strange . I am not going to bother posting the scans , since you already posted them.[/B]
I'm not gonna play who said what, you claimed that the narrative didn't mention Galaxies. You were wrong.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Again , you're twisting my words . The damage to the galaxies being done by Odin/Seth's battle was limited to a single continuum(presumably 616) . Their battle however was felt across all planes of reality
How can you say the damage is localized to 616 only when it was raging across everywhere? Maybe, the damage isn't everywhere, but you cannot say it's only 616 for sure.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I recall only one instance of him being weakened in Thor # 300 , and he eventually recovered from it(long before the Celestials arrived) after Gaea appeared to him and convinced him not to sacrifice himself .
He was also weakened from his prolong time on earth. None of his feats in the Celestial saga are comparable to what he's done in the past. It's a low showing.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Your statement would have made more sense if you mentioned something along the lines of "Any good showing [b]by a trans or below level character against Galactus is most certainly a low showing for him" .As it stands , your implied line of logic is full of fail . [/B]
I implied that friend 🙂
Originally posted by Classic NES
I'm not gonna play who said what, you claimed that the narrative didn't mention Galaxies. You were wrong.
Originally posted by Classic NES
How can you say the damage is localized to 616 only when it was raging across everywhere? Maybe, the damage isn't everywhere, but you cannot say it's only 616 for sure.
Originally posted by Classic NES
He was also weakened from his prolong time on earth. None of his feats in the Celestial saga are comparable to what he's done in the past. It's a low showing.
Originally posted by Classic NES
I implied that friend 🙂
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
*Sigh* I clearly specified only things like "[b]untold damage" and "countless galaxies" because that is something the narrative did NOT mention .[/B]
The narrative mentions galaxies. Which is what I'm debating.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The narrative's description of the destuction is limited to a bunch of galaxies being destroyed and suns being reignited , while Strange's account(which is more generous) only ascribes a "potential" imperilment of countless galaxies
But, we don't know where the damage is localized. You can't say it's limited to one universe and not others. It's ambigious and you're assuming.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Where was this mentioned within that particular story-arc ? He spent a thousand years prepping for the Celestials' return in Asgard itself anyways , so that point should be moot anyways .
At the time, AISTR, it was beyond Odin's power to destroy even a sinlge planet. And, ISTR, preceeding the clash between the Celestials and the Destroyer, Thor faced Odin in combat and actually had a considerable chance at defeating his father had he not restrained himself.
It was later revealed that the loss of his eye did in fact contribute to a wane in his power during the Celectial Saga. Once Odin reclaimed his eye, the comment was made that he had regained his full power. Later on Odin would become even more powerful when he absorbed Surtur's power. In any case, no matter how it's looked at, the Odin that appeared in the Celestial saga was not a good benchmark.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Where ?
Go back and read what I stated.
Originally posted by Classic NES
The narrative mentions galaxies. Which is what I'm debating.
Originally posted by Classic NES
The narrative mentions ontold destruction on one instance versus another.
Originally posted by Classic NES
I'm just saying, which is a better demonstration of power: "Travels through infinite realms" or destroying countless galaxies?
Originally posted by Classic NES
But, we don't know where the damage is localized. You can't say it's limited to one universe and not others. It's ambigious and you're assuming.
Originally posted by Classic NES
At the time, AISTR, it was beyond Odin's power to destroy even a sinlge planet. And, ISTR, preceeding the clash between the Celestials and the Destroyer, Thor faced Odin in combat and actually had a considerable chance at defeating his father had he not restrained himself.
Originally posted by Classic NES
It was later revealed that the loss of his eye did in fact contribute to a wane in his power during the Celectial Saga. Once Odin reclaimed his eye, the comment was made that he had regained his full power. Later on Odin would become even more powerful when he absorbed Surtur's power. In any case, no matter how it's looked at, the Odin that appeared in the Celestial saga was not a good benchmark.
Originally posted by Classic NES
Go back and read what I stated.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
You were discussing something else a page ago , as these posts show :
Are you even bothering to read the post you quote at all?
I didn't quote strange, I said Untold destruction in one post and countless galaxies in the other. Which isn't what strange stated at all.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Nope , its not ambiguous at all . Jean Grey and Silver Surfer's commentary states that the damage is limited to the universe/continuum .
Silver Surfer? WTF?
That was Professor X and there was no destruction of Galaxies mentioned. Did you read that comic?
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
"battle is felt across every plane of existence" , and "causes a shockwave which ripples across every plane of reality" and that's it .
And Galaxies being destroyed. So, that's not it.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Didn't that incident(Odin vs Thor) happen in Thor # 291 ? Anyways , it didn't really precede the Destroyer/Celestials battle , because Thor was in space at that period , and by the time he returned to Asgard , Odin had already drained his and the rest of the Asgardians' spirits into the Destroyer .
But, he was still weakened and it doesn't matter since he never displayed his average showings.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
And I ask again , where was it stated that his power was low during Thor#300 ? Specifically after his ordeal and Gaea appearing to him .
Where did I mention Thor 300?
I stated that he also claimed he was weakened by his extended peroid on earth.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Well , then I guess in most of his appearances , Odin has been weak and at low power .
In the Celestial saga for sure.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I already did .
You obviously failed then. The average fight with Galactus is a low showing, he's a reputable jobber. Due to things like hunger and what not.
Originally posted by Classic NES
Are you even bothering to read the post you quote at all?
I didn't quote strange, I said Untold destruction in one post and countless galaxies in the other. Which isn't what strange stated at all.
Originally posted by Classic NES
Silver Surfer? WTF?That was Professor X and there was no destruction of Galaxies mentioned. Did you read that comic?
Because Professor X is a naked silver colored guy who rides in space on a surfboard , right ?
Originally posted by Classic NES
And Galaxies being destroyed. So, that's not it.
Originally posted by Classic NES
But, he was still weakened and it doesn't matter since he never displayed his average showings.
Originally posted by Classic NES
Where did I mention Thor 300?
Originally posted by Classic NES
I stated that he also claimed he was weakened by his extended peroid on earth.
Originally posted by Classic NES
In the Celestial saga for sure.
Originally posted by Classic NES
You obviously failed then. The average fight with Galactus is a low showing, he's a reputable jobber. Due to things like hunger and what not.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Its pretty clear then that you never bothered to read his statements beyond the "this battle is tearing at teh fabric of multiverse!!!!1!!!11" part .
And, it's pretty clear that you have no point now.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Its pretty clear that it is YOU who never read that comic beyond those few oversized scans you posted :
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/6706/sethvsweakenedodin42nt.jpg
"[B]Forces powerful enough to rock our continuum are in conflict !"Because Professor X is a naked silver colored guy who rides in space on a surfboard , right ?[/B]
You said silver surfer and Jean grey:
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Nope , its not ambiguous at all . Jean Grey and Silver Surfer's commentary states that the damage is limited to the universe/continuum .
It's obvious that you were mistaking it for the scan that was posted earlier featuring Dark Phoenix fighting Xavier on every plane of existence.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
My argument has only pertained to that particular aspect of the debate .
So, how is it the same as Uatu battling on every plane of existence. If Galaxies were only destroyed in this instance?
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Again what proof do you have beyond reiterating this same stance repeatedly ?
The fact that he didn't have his eye or when he stated that destroying a planet was beyond his power or when three sky fathers channeling their power could only knock a planet out of it's orbit.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Thor 300 is where the battle was set . And in that comic , nothing Odin did seemed to suggest that he was weakened(apart from being jobbed to the Celestials that is) .
One issue among a story arch full of low showings.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Provide proof for this as well then .
I gave you the reference.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
If you want to argue that from the point of view that he was being jobbed to the Celestials , then sure .
So, we agree?
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Your logic failed you and if you're too dense to realize this then I am not going to bother discussing this anymore .
Ad Hominem.
Provide an argument next time please.
